Danny Rose | Rose: "I will play up North before I retire"

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balaks said:
I do really think so yes - you only need to look at our results and where we finished in the league in the past two years to see that we have the ability to push for the title.
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In the meantime, the other big clubs around you are spending big and improving their squads, whilst Spurs have signed no one. Worse still they have lost Kyle Walker and probably Danny Rose too. Rather than capitalize on their advantage of having one of the best squads in the league, they have in fact gone backwards.
 
balaks said:
I think I missed your point - what I meant was that if he is honest about wanting to win titles etc then Spurs are in as good a position as any other club to win it - we came second last year as you said. This to me shows it is purely about cash and nothing else - or at least it's mostly about the money
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That's what Liverpool fans keep saying for decades.
 
Random Task said:
In the meantime, the other big clubs around you are spending big and improving their squads, whilst Spurs have signed no one. Worse still they have lost Kyle Walker and probably Danny Rose too. Rather than capitalize on their advantage of having one of the best squads in the league, they have in fact gone backwards.
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The window isnt closed yet, let's discuss it again when it's closed.
 
balaks said:
I cant talk about the future because frankly I dont own a time machine. I can only talk about what has happened up to now. Things may change in the future sure but neither you nor me know what will happen so is there any point in trying to use it as an argument?
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Lool so a player doesn't make his life/career decisions based on what he thinks will happen in the future? Are you even a human? How do you plan your career or anything in your life if you go by that mantra? "Hi boss, sorry I didn't set up that meeting for next week, what's the point in thinking about the future we don't know what will happen!"

Obviously no one has 20/20 vision of the future but we have to make decisions based on what we think will happen, that's literally how every player since forever has decided to move to a new club. They use the information they have now and make as an educated a guess as they can as to what will happen then make a decision like whether to stay or leave
 
Saf94 said:
Lool so a player doesn't make his life/career decisions based on what he thinks will happen in the future? Are you even a human? How do you plan your career or anything in your life if you go by that mantra? "Hi boss, sorry I didn't set up that meeting for next week, what's the point in thinking about the future we don't know what will happen!"

Obviously no one has 20/20 vision of the future but we have to make decisions based on what we think will happen, that's literally how every player since forever has decided to move to a new club. They use the information they have now and make as an educated a guess as they can as to what will happen then make a decision like whether to stay or leave
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You have discovered my secret - I'm actually a robot.

Ok so let's look at it this way - you could judge what might happen in the future by looking at what has happened in the past and what is happening in the present right? So if you look at the past few years Spurs are a team on the up who have finished very high in the league in the past 2 years - in the present Spurs have yet to sign anybody, have lost a right back and our rivals have all splashed the cash. How certain is it that all these new signings will perform well enough to make up the gap between those clubs and where Spurs are? I dont think it's certain at all, yes it could easily happen but it's not a certainty. What is 100% certain though is that if he moves to another club he will make a lot more money. I still think this is the main point to the entire thing. It's money.
 
balaks said:
You have discovered my secret - I'm actually a robot.

Ok so let's look at it this way - you could judge what might happen in the future by looking at what has happened in the past and what is happening in the present right? So if you look at the past few years Spurs are a team on the up who have finished very high in the league in the past 2 years - in the present Spurs have yet to sign anybody, have lost a right back and our rivals have all splashed the cash. How certain is it that all these new signings will perform well enough to make up the gap between those clubs and where Spurs are? I dont think it's certain at all, yes it could easily happen but it's not a certainty. What is 100% certain though is that if he moves to another club he will make a lot more money. I still think this is the main point to the entire thing. It's money.
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If I was a spurs player I'd be looking at Kane's salary compared to chicharito, benteke and others. Alli's against Antonio, Arnautovic - and wondering how much longer can this go on for.
 
balaks said:
We do! He is also a full-back! Spooky huh?
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It's insane. It's like when we had the Fabio/Rafael twins and Rafael was suspended, none of us really knew who was playing roght back with 'Fabio' on the shirt...

How cool would it have been if City paid 50m quid and foun out the wrong Kyle Walker had signed the papers ...
 
Doesn't Levy despise Chelsea after Willian and Frank Arneson?
Chelsea is the last place he'll go if Spurs have other options
 
freshibal said:
I wouldn't be entirely comforted by that statement if i was a spurs fan.
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So they shouldn't be. He's not sorry at all and has no reason to be. Only expressing his views which I'm sure a lot of Spurs players have. Levy's stubbornness could cost the club dearly.
 
Why does he hate us? You fecked him over on a much larger scale, all we did was have an offer declined for Dier and walked away
Even the Berbatov sale wasn't remotely close to that
@antihenry
 
So he apologised for how he said it and the timing, but he didn't apologise for the actual words. Pretty empty apology really.
 
Random Task said:
Not to say that he couldn't reach Rose's level in the near future, possibly even exceeding it long term.

Don't you think Shaw deserves8 at least one more season in which to prove himself?
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Personally yeah, I'd give him a chance as, with the right support, he's capable of being a top player.

That said, I think we've got too many players who need to prove themselves this season, with Shaw being one of them. If we had 10 nailed on starters, we could carry him. As it is, I understand Jose wanting to remove the question marks and to find quick solutions to the issues we had last year.
 
Rado_N said:
More suggests he's been told he's going nowhere and if he doesn't apologise he won't be playing either.
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He's been rapped over the knuckles - and with a WC spot to play for next summer he will doubtless knuckle down and give his best for the team. In a few weeks this will all be seen as the storm-in-a-tea-cup that it actually is.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He's been rapped over the knuckles - and with a WC spot to play for next summer he will doubtless knuckle down and give his best for the team. In a few weeks this will all be seen as the storm-in-a-tea-cup that it actually is.
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Seems optimistic to say the least. You can't keep underpaying your players.
 
acnumber9 said:
So the man we're continually told is such a shrewd businessman will refuse to do business with different people in the top positions because of transfers that happened several years ago?
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I didn't say that. I just mentioned it to prove that Levy doesn't care for United, either.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Quite so. I hear that the reaction he got from the rest of the squad was far from welcoming.
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Where are you hearing this from though? Would certainly make sense for the club to put this out there as a means of saving face.

As an unbiased observer I would imagine the truth is somewhere in between - I should think a lot of the players supported what he said, but doubt that they were openly high fiving him in front of management...
 
GlastonSpur said:
He's been rapped over the knuckles - and with a WC spot to play for next summer he will doubtless knuckle down and give his best for the team. In a few weeks this will all be seen as the storm-in-a-tea-cup that it actually is.
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You best players sooner or later all wanting out is a storm-in-a-tea-cup?
 
antihenry said:
Chelsea ready to double Danny Rose's wages if Tottenham agree to sell.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...ages-if-tottenham-agree-to-sell-a3609666.html

Come on Danny. You know you want it. Come and get it.
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He wants to play up north. If he leaves it won't be to Chelsea.

GlastonSpur said:
He's been rapped over the knuckles - and with a WC spot to play for next summer he will doubtless knuckle down and give his best for the team. In a few weeks this will all be seen as the storm-in-a-tea-cup that it actually is.
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That's just rubbish. A storm in a tea cup? Did you read and take in what he said?! Even the statement makes no attempt to apologise for the content just the timing.

The player isn't happy and I'd bet there's a few murmers of unrest around the dressing room given the Kyle Walker move, low wages and lack of ambition in the transfer market.
 
Rado_N said:
Seems optimistic to say the least. You can't keep underpaying your players.
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You mean on contracts that they willingly signed, many of them just a short while ago? If they actually thought they're being so badly treated, they wouldn't haven't signed.

As I've said before, the wage disparity exists, but is exaggerated by some opposition fans, who often quote wildly inaccurate figures whilst at the same time exaggerating what club X would realistically offer them instead. It's also the case that Spurs provide one of the Prem's most generous bonus payment systems - on top of basic pay - as an incentive to perform well, plus offer improved contracts at frequent intervals to those who merit it.

I agree that soon we need to be able to offer improved wages, but that's partly what the new stadium is all about. So there's a plan in place ... a plan that is proceeding apace. In the short-term there's some underlying tensions that naturally come more to the fore in the summer transfer window, but nothing that the club can't handle. In summary: only a little jam today, in exchange for a lot more jam tomorrow.
 
Godfather said:
You best players sooner or later all wanting out is a storm-in-a-tea-cup?
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Zero evidence for your statement. It's just your conjecture, heavily laced with a lot of wishful thinking. Even Rose didn't say he wanted to leave this summer.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You mean on contracts that they willingly signed, many of them just a short while ago? If they actually thought they're being so badly treated, they wouldn't haven't signed.

As I've said before, the wage disparity exists, but is exaggerated by some opposition fans, who often quote wildly inaccurate figures whilst at the same time exaggerating what club X would realistically offer them instead. It's also the case that Spurs provide one of the Prem's most generous bonus payment systems - on top of basic pay - as an incentive to perform well, plus offer improved contracts at frequent intervals to those who merit it.

I agree that soon we need to be able to offer improved wages, but that's partly what the new stadium is all about. So there's a plan in place ... a plan that is proceeding apace. In the short-term there's some underlying tensions that naturally come more to the fore in the summer transfer window, but nothing that the club can't handle. In summary: only a little jam today, in exchange for a lot more jam tomorrow.
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So basically everything is all fine and rosy (sorry) in your eyes? I guess that's to be expected, your the Spurs equivalent of comical Ali.

I understand you feel like you have to defend your club on an opposition forum, but it's ok to acknowledge obvious problems. Players may have only recently signed contracts, yes, but that won't stop unrest when they're shown to be comfortably below market rate.

Unrest seems to be brewing, and that won't disappear just because you'll have a new stadium soon, even with the super mega amazing NFL connection.
 
Hed Zitin said:
So he apologised for how he said it and the timing, but he didn't apologise for the actual words. Pretty empty apology really.
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How can he take back what he said when it is all true? Spurs players are massively underpaid and They haven't won anything for so long that they list the friendly tournaments they have won in their role of honours on their wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C.#Honours

Friendly tournaments
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Edit: I think they are particularly proud of their Vodacom Challenge wins as they have won it twice.
 
TheReligion said:
That's just rubbish. A storm in a tea cup? Did you read and take in what he said?! Even the statement makes no attempt to apologise for the content just the timing.

The player isn't happy and I'd bet there's a few murmers of unrest around the dressing room given the Kyle Walker move, low wages and lack of ambition in the transfer market.
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It really isn't. Rose is unhappy about some things - although I bet he isn't unhappy about how Spurs have progressed season by season for the last 3 seasons running, nor about his rise to becoming one of the best LBs in the Prem under Pochettino, and nor about his having nailed down the LB spot for England during this period.

You can bet all you like about "unrest" in the dressing room, but I hear that he wasn't warmly received by the rest of the squad following the interview's release, but quite the opposite.

We did just fine without Rose for long periods in the 2nd half of last season, so Rose needs to be careful now and play his heart out for Spurs this season. Otherwise he'll be shipped out next summer and may just find that the grass is not as green on the other side as he imagines.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It really isn't. Rose is unhappy about some things - although I bet he isn't unhappy about how Spurs have progressed season by season for the last 3 seasons running, nor about his rise to becoming one of the best LBs in the Prem under Pochettino, and nor about his having nailed down the LB spot for England during this period.

You can bet all you like about "unrest" in the dressing room, but I hear that he wasn't warmly received by the rest of the squad following the interview's release, but quite the opposite.

We did just fine without Rose for long periods in the 2nd half of last season, so Rose needs to be careful now and play his heart out for Spurs this season. Otherwise he'll be shipped out next summer and may just find that the grass is not as green on the other side as he imagines.
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He clearly is unhappy about finishing out of the top spot as he specifically says he wants to win trophies?
 
GlastonSpur said:
It really isn't. Rose is unhappy about some things - although I bet he isn't unhappy about how Spurs have progressed season by season for the last 3 seasons running, nor about his rise to becoming one of the best LBs in the Prem under Pochettino, and nor about his having nailed down the LB spot for England during this period.

You can bet all you like about "unrest" in the dressing room, but I hear that he wasn't warmly received by the rest of the squad following the interview's release, but quite the opposite.

We did just fine without Rose for long periods in the 2nd half of last season, so Rose needs to be careful now and play his heart out for Spurs this season. Otherwise he'll be shipped out next summer and may just find that the grass is not as green on the other side as he imagines.
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I think he's hoping it comes this year but would except next year if he had to wait.
 
Rado_N said:
So basically everything is all fine and rosy (sorry) in your eyes? I guess that's to be expected, your the Spurs equivalent of comical Ali.

I understand you feel like you have to defend your club on an opposition forum, but it's ok to acknowledge obvious problems. Players may have only recently signed contracts, yes, but that won't stop unrest when they're shown to be comfortably below market rate.

Unrest seems to be brewing, and that won't disappear just because you'll have a new stadium soon, even with the super mega amazing NFL connection.
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You haven't really addressed any of the points I made, but merely attributed to me a view that I have not given and don't hold, namely that "everything is all fine and rosy".

His interview was not fine and rosy, and we face the challenge of remaining competitive against at least 5 clubs with currently much more disposable income than Spurs - which again is not "fine and rosy": it's bloody difficult.

The notion of general brewing unrest is just so much media guff. They offer convenient narratives, hoping for media clicks, and you've been sucked in because, I would guess, you want to be sucked in ... just like every opposition fan likes to hear stories about alleged problems at rival clubs.
 
TheReligion said:
He clearly is unhappy about finishing out of the top spot as he specifically says he wants to win trophies?
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As I imagine - and would hope - that all Spurs players are. Do you imagine that Pogba, or De Gea, or whoever, is happy about having finished in 6th place?
 
GlastonSpur said:
As I imagine - and would hope - that all Spurs players are. Do you imagine that Pogba, or De Gea, or whoever, is happy about having finished in 6th place?
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Are you losing the plot here.

Rose has specifically told the club and fans he's not happy as he has won nothing. He's also told you he's not happy with the lack of ambition in the market.

It's nothing to do with Pogba or de Gea although both have won plentiful in their careers, and are at a club Danny Rose himself praises for doing good business. That said I'm confident they are fine.
 
antihenry said:
I didn't say that. I just mentioned it to prove that Levy doesn't care for United, either.
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It's as much a response to the article. If any of it were true then Levy's God like status takes another blow.
 
GlastonSpur said:
As I imagine - and would hope - that all Spurs players are. Do you imagine that Pogba, or De Gea, or whoever, is happy about having finished in 6th place?
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What has any of that to do with Tottenham or Danny Rose?
 
TheReligion said:
Are you losing the plot here.

Rose has specifically told the club and fans he's not happy as he has won nothing. He's also told you he's not happy with the lack of ambition in the market.

It's nothing to do with Pogba or de Gea although both have won plentiful in their careers, and are at a club Danny Rose himself praises for doing good business. That said I'm confident they are fine.
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The question still stands. You raised the point about Rose being unhappy about finishing 2nd. Do you claim that United players are happy with 6th place, or with 5th place the season before that?

The difference is that Rose has been unwise enough to air his unhappiness publicly .... so you should climb down from your high horse.
 
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