Danny Rose | Rose: "I will play up North before I retire"

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Fair enough


Disagree.
Shaw has no level. He is yet to have a good season at this club. Whatever he has done big, was at Sou'ton years back. Shaw can't be compared with a player who plays regularly "yet".
From what I've seen, Shaw has played at a better level than Rose and how much of an age gap is there? Fair enough Shaw hasn't had the opertunities at United to show his best but sorry that player pre leg break we saw was by far superior to anything I've ever seen from Rose. I just really don't see the point. Also he is injured and Shaw is due back before Rose.
 
Got to laugh at the naive Spurs fans who thought their players loved the club so much they'd play for less than their actual value.
 
Grass is greener is a bit off.
Its more of a amplifier both ways, where the great becomes greater and the sub-par becomes plain bad.
As an example for the great becomes greater, i see DDG as the unquestionable best gk in the world, despite many or even most rating Neuer higher. I dont see enough of Neuer to warrant putting him above the greatness of our Donut.
Could be a mix of grass is greener and tribalism, but then again i also think Hazard is better than Dembele, Robben, Isco and a few others that some would question my sanity of, so im not sure its tribalism, but more the amplification of liking or disliking what you see often.
Ah I see. I also agree that Hazard is easily better than dembele, an un proven commodity, Isco, and Robben. Fair point
 
You think United have a better defense than those teams listed?
Barcelona and PSG play in leagues with far less depth of quality than the EPL and have conceded 37 and 29 goals respectively last season. Chelsea conceded 33. Manchester United conceded 29.

Think about it. Last season we finished sixth place yet scored 32 less goals than the champions last season. Why do you think that is?
 
Can't see Levi selling Rose to Chelsea. Probably wil get him a much better contract, though.
I am not that sure. The stadium project would get more expensive while Tottenham need to keep the wage structure in place. One player gets a worthy market contract, and the whole team would come asking. Not a pretty situation to be in.
 
I am not that sure. The stadium project would get more expensive while Tottenham need to keep the wage structure in place. One player gets a worthy market contract, and the whole team would come asking. Not a pretty situation to be in.

Well, that's bound to happen, anyway. If Tottenham want to keep their key players, they'll have to start paying competitive wages. What else is there to keep them at the club? They 've been playing well, but haven't won anything in a long time. Players want money and trophies. If they realize they can't get either at Spurs, they'll get restless and that spells trouble.

Still, I believe they've managed to secure most of their squad to long term contracts and Levi's a tough man to deal with.
 
Well, that's bound to happen, anyway. If Tottenham want to keep their key players, they'll have to start paying competitive wages. What else is there to keep them at the club? They 've been playing well, but haven't won anything in a long time. Players want money and trophies. If they realize they can't get either at Spurs, they'll get restless and that spells trouble.

Still, I believe they've managed to secure most of their squad to long term contracts and Levi's a tough man to deal with.


if 3 or 4 players went on a go slow/strike then levi could stick his alleged toughness where it hurts .
 
Levy can't fight the market

he's going to have to improve the contracts

if it isn't Danny Rose it will be someone else

if Levy digs his heels in them Pochettino could end up with a pissed off dressing room
 
Once he breaks that structure for one player, there will be a lot of knocks on his door.
it's inevitable though especially in a time clubs are funded so well with TV deals etc

I think Pochettino would welcome it too - in my opinion the number 1 reason why Spurs have signed no one has to be down to salary packages

Spurs have done well to pay 2007 wages until now
 
The timing of all this money couldn't be worse for spurs. They have the stadium to pay for and even wenger is offering players 200k a week contracts.

They could be fecked.
 
Levy can't fight the market

he's going to have to improve the contracts

if it isn't Danny Rose it will be someone else

if Levy digs his heels in them Pochettino could end up with a pissed off dressing room

Agree. Poch can talk above love, unity and team spirit but there's a massive disparity between their wages and other players that are even at lesser clubs. More success, more problems....big season for Spurs cause if another season of not winning something, the pool of top players is shallow and expect a call from the usual suspects. Levy hard nose way will become weaken when it seems the cheque presented to him is a blank one....
 
Levy's chronically underpaid chickens coming home to roost, it seems.

This isn't specifically at you but a general point. This has become such a repeated point that its become almost gospel.

We do not pay 2007 wages as someone above said. I doubt there are that many players at teams lower than ours who earn more than our players, certainly not a case of multiple players earning more.

We have the 12th highest wage bill in world football. That is hardly peanuts is it? Nobody seems to say the same for Dortmund, Atletico, Monaco, Porto etc etc. Its just the reality.

The 11 clubs above are the other 5 English heavyweights (which is our problem), Barca and Real, Bayern, PSG, Juve and Roma.

As above, our major problem is that 5 of those 11 clubs play in the same league. They include 2 externally backed clubs and a world heavyweight.

We pay what we can within the confines of our income. This isn't Levy sitting in the corner stroking his money. Its Levy keeping the club on a financially sound footing, especially while we change the infrastructure of the club to a more elite one. It doesn't mean he's perfect. But we are not able to offer 200/300k per week and will likely never manage to offer the same wages as Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs especially.
 
it's inevitable though especially in a time clubs are funded so well with TV deals etc

I think Pochettino would welcome it too - in my opinion the number 1 reason why Spurs have signed no one has to be down to salary packages

Spurs have done well to pay 2007 wages until now

Perhaps for PL players (we will not pay Barkley 120k base salary, especially as our wage structure can be quite goal based) but as I said above, only 11 clubs around the world have a higher wage bill than us.

Europe is not flushed with clubs that pay much higher wages than us. Unfortunately for us, 25% of the clubs in the league we compete in do.
 
Perhaps for PL players (we will not pay Barkley 120k base salary, especially as our wage structure can be quite goal based) but as I said above, only 11 clubs around the world have a higher wage bill than us.

Europe is not flushed with clubs that pay much higher wages than us. Unfortunately for us, 25% of the clubs in the league we compete in do.

The issue is what 11 clubs. It's like saying Utd could have won more CL if it wasn't for Barca.
 
The issue is what 11 clubs. It's like saying Utd could have won more CL if it wasn't for Barca.

Well, I agreed to an extent above. I said that our issue is that 5 of those 11 clubs play in the same league as us (3 of the 11 clubs have had external help to run as a club).

Its not really like saying that though, as I'm just stating a fact that can't be changed. On another day, Man Utd could have beaten Barcelona and won 1 or 2 more CL. We can't just double our turnover overnight.
 
And all of those clubs inevitably end up selling their best players on.

And all of those clubs win stuff occasionally.

Indeed. Even when they win league titles (kind of defeats the point that we need a trophy to keep this group together, as if that would satisfy their need for extra wages).

The point is that we can't double our turnover instantly. Nor can those clubs. And it means we will be susceptible to the super rich clubs picking up our very best players from time to time.
 
There'll be knocks on his door regardless. Those players and their agents are aware how much more they can make at other top clubs.
There may well be but no one forced them to sign their contracts and the wage structure is still in place. The second that structure is broken, the flood gates open.
 
Indeed. Even when they win league titles (kind of defeats the point that we need a trophy to keep this group together, as if that would satisfy their need for extra wages).

The point is that we can't double our turnover instantly. Nor can those clubs. And it means we will be susceptible to the super rich clubs picking up our very best players from time to time.
Winning trophies alone isn't enough to keep your squad together but it would help! No trophies plus low wages is a bad combo.

Sorry, you've clearly got your head screwed on unlike one of your fellow Spurs fans on here ;)
 
This was obvious to everyone who isn't a Levy fanboy. Was bound to happen sooner or later.

But I thought Spurs players were all happy playing for 2nd place trophy for a relative pittance?
 
If their pay structure is so poor, I can see them having real problems over the enxt few years. I imagine players in the bottom half of the table make 30k a week. Must be a tough spot for Levy, with the cost of a new stadium, how does he prioritise the clubs finances without players leaving in droves over the next few seasons? Either way though, if he manages to force through a move, brilliant.

I do wonder why he left it so late in the window though. He might have left Levy in a position where he simply can't sell due to lack of time to get in an adequate replacement. Why not say this 4 weeks ago? Unless maybe he was contract negotitaions that only recently broke down?
 
This isn't specifically at you but a general point. This has become such a repeated point that its become almost gospel.

We do not pay 2007 wages as someone above said. I doubt there are that many players at teams lower than ours who earn more than our players, certainly not a case of multiple players earning more.
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Problem is not multiple players earning more wages, for example Rose earns 60K and he is the best LB in the league, at least arguable, Gray earns 90K and West Ham player is on 110K, then the player would obviously question why he is earning less than inferior players, at least it would be on him mind.
 
When, not if, Spurs are forced to sell their best players because they're unhappy with being paid less than everywhere else, it's going to be glorious on here :drool:

A certain Spurs fan might disappear for a while too.
 
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