Danny Rose | Rose: "I will play up North before I retire"

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EyeInTheSky said:
@GlastonSpur

So your first choice right-back jumped ship and now your first choice left back wants to follow suit after insulting your beloved board on their transfer strategy amongst other things on the players he "has to google" to know who they are.

You were recently saying that Spurs won't sell to anyone at any price in the PL at least but how is that looking for you?
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No, I have never said that, but these endless inventions are tiresome :wenger: and do nothing to enhance discussion

I've said that - post-Berbatov - Spurs will not sell any star players to Prem rivals. Walker was not one of our star players. The policy stands.

Concerning Walker, as I've already said, Spurs were OK with the deal, not least because whether he or Trippier was seen as first choice was becoming increasingly marginal.

As for Rose, he's a silly boy. But his actual comments - apart from being contradictory - don't fit with the usual sensationalist headlines.
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, I have never said that, but these endless inventions are tiresome :wenger: and do nothing to enhance discussion

I've said that - post-Berbatov - Spurs will not sell any star players to Prem rivals. Walker was not one of our star players. The policy stands.

Concerning Walker, as I've already said, Spurs were OK with the deal, not least because whether he or Trippier was seen as first choice was becoming increasingly marginal.

As for Rose, he's a silly boy. But his actual comments - apart from being contradictory - don't fit with the usual sensationalist headlines.
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It only became marginal once Walker decided he wanted to leave. As you well know. Prior to that he was one of the best in his position and Spurs wouldn't be able to replace him.
 
acnumber9 said:
And you would know that because?
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Because of the general impression that comes over from the players. Rose's interview is an exception, not the rule.

And take a look at what's been happening with some our rivals ... Costa and Matic at Chelsea, the Sanchez saga at Arsenal, Countinho at Liverpool ...

I know that some opposition fans would like to think that Spurs are suddenly in turmoil, but it's mainly wishful thinking.

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GlastonSpur said:
I've said that - post-Berbatov - Spurs will not sell any star players to Prem rivals. Walker was not one of our star players. The policy stands.
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You talk like you're on the fecking board!

So what will you do if in 2 years time, after having won bugger all Delli Alli puts in a transfer request and wants to move to, say, Man City, who are offering him three times the salary and are the current Premier League champions (they won't be, it will be us, but never mind)? Put him in the reserves for the remainder of his contract?

There is a current amount of goodwill from most of your players that has come on the back of 2 good seasons (2 seasons where most of the top 6 were in turmoil/transition), but the signs are already there that that goodwill is fragile. A year or two of stagnation and underachievement and those transfer requests will be flying in.
 
fairly certain I said this would happen with Spurs when Lingard got his 100k a week contract.

He wouldn't make the starting 11 at Spurs, yet he's paid more than the majority of their players.

If they aren't winning things, why would Dele Alli stay there on 50k a week when us for example would pay him 200k a week?
 
acnumber9 said:
It only became marginal once Walker decided he wanted to leave. As you well know. Prior to that he was one of the best in his position and Spurs wouldn't be able to replace him.
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Those are your words, not mine.

I agree that Walker was/is one of the best in his position, but Trippier is also pretty good - better in some ways, worse in others - and the difference between them is not worth anything like £50m. And who knows, we may still sign another RB before the window closes to provide more competition/backup for him.
 
Bwuk said:
fairly certain I said this would happen with Spurs when Lingard got his 100k a week contract.

He wouldn't make the starting 11 at Spurs, yet he's paid more than the majority of their players.

If they aren't winning things, why would Dele Alli stay there on 50k a week when us for example would pay him 200k a week?
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Method in Woody's madness
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
You talk like you're on the fecking board!

So what will you do if in 2 years time, after having won bugger all Delli Alli puts in a transfer request and wants to move to, say, Man City, who are offering him three times the salary and are the current Premier League champions (they won't be, it will be us, but never mind)? Put him in the reserves for the remainder of his contract?

There is a current amount of goodwill from most of your players that has come on the back of 2 good seasons (2 seasons where most of the top 6 were in turmoil/transition), but the signs are already there that that goodwill is fragile. A year or two of stagnation and underachievement and those transfer requests will be flying in.
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In that event, we'll sell him abroad, just as we did with Modric and Bale. There'd be no shortage of takers and I doubt he'd baulk at the idea of playing for Barca or RM.
 
Watched four times? We have played them more times than that FFS.

Would improve us massively. We haven't had a LB capable of doing something in the opponent's half for years.
 
Bwuk said:
fairly certain I said this would happen with Spurs when Lingard got his 100k a week contract. ...
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Lol .... it's amazing that you predicted a controversial Rose interview by the Sun newspaper on the back of Lindgard's new contract. I'm impressed.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Because of the general impression that comes over from the players. Rose's interview is an exception, not the rule.

And take a look at what's been happening with some our rivals ... Costa and Matic at Chelsea, the Sanchez saga at Arsenal, Countinho at Liverpool ...

I know that some opposition fans would like to think that Spurs are suddenly in turmoil, but it's mainly wishful thinking.

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I think you like to project that thought on people. I doubt many care that much if you're in turmoil. The facts are that one player has already left after disagreeing with the manager, Dier was rumoured to be desperate to leave, Alderwiereld isn't signing his contract and Rose is talking out of school. I don't see how what is happening with Coutinho is an example that Spurs are a happier camp than Liverpool. A bigger, better team want him. How does that translate to an unhappy team?
 
GlastonSpur said:
Lol .... it's amazing that you predicted a controversial Rose interview by the Sun newspaper on the back of Lindgard's new contract. I'm impressed.
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Not really.

What do Spurs offer Danny Rose for example that he wouldn't get at one of the bigger sides? Average players like Lingard get 100k a week here, he'd get north of that.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Those are your words, not mine.

I agree that Walker was/is one of the best in his position, but Trippier is also pretty good - better in some ways, worse in others - and the difference between them is not worth anything like £50m. And who knows, we may still sign another RB before the window closes to provide more competition/backup for him.
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They were your words.

"there are not many players who are better than Lloris, Walker, Rose and Eriksen in their respective positions/roles (this already amounts to 7 players in our best XI). And those who are (or might be) are quite simply way out of our current price range."

A few weeks of football later and Trippier was more than good enough to replace one of those players.
 
GlastonSpur said:
In that event, we'll sell him abroad, just as we did with Modric and Bale. There'd be no shortage of takers and I doubt he'd baulk at the idea of playing for Barca or RM.
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OK, say for a moment that Barca or Real are not interested? Maybe they've already signed midfield superstars and are not in the market for another. Or maybe they are interested, but know about Spurs policy of 'not selling to domestic competitors' and so are offering £30 million less than Man City - what then?

You talk in such a definitive way, but the point is there are a million different factors that can come into play. To announce, as though you are the Spurs chairman, that 'we will never sell any key player to another English club' is the kind of thing that makes people think that it isn't worth debating with you because you are unprepared to accept anything that might paint Spurs in anything less than the most flattering light.

Newsflash, Spurs are just a decent sized premier league club, and your top players will be picked off - just the same as for most clubs - whether you like it or not, if you do not pay them accordingly and/or start winning things pretty bloody quickly. You don't have to take it so personally, we are in exactly the same position with clubs who are (currently) higher up the food chain...we're just that bit higher up than you guys so there are fewer clubs able to do it to us.
 
Bwuk said:
fairly certain I said this would happen with Spurs when Lingard got his 100k a week contract.

He wouldn't make the starting 11 at Spurs, yet he's paid more than the majority of their players.

If they aren't winning things, why would Dele Alli stay there on 50k a week when us for example would pay him 200k a week?
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This suggestion makes perfect sence to me. Pay Lingard 100k a week, make Spurs' players jealous in the process, reap the rewards when said jealousy forces those players to act out of character and demand a move up north, specifically Manchester (the red half of course).

A rather inspired, albeit slightly costly, transfer strategy that. Certainly beats the "spend vast sums of money on practically anyone who can kick a football to a reasonable standard" approach. Woody just went up in my book.
 
Liverpool should be in for him. Sell Coutinho and use the ££ to buy VVD and Rose. Then whatever funds they had planned to spend beforehand can go towards Keita/another forward.
 
GlastonSpur said:
In that event, we'll sell him abroad, just as we did with Modric and Bale. There'd be no shortage of takers and I doubt he'd baulk at the idea of playing for Barca or RM.
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Alli is a strong prospect, but I very much doubt Barca or Madrid would be interested should the opportunity to sign him arise. At least not at this stage of his career.

No, I feel United will be Alli's next destination. The final one at that.
 
acnumber9 said:
I think you like to project that thought on people. I doubt many care that much if you're in turmoil. The facts are that one player has already left after disagreeing with the manager, Dier was rumoured to be desperate to leave, Alderwiereld isn't signing his contract and Rose is talking out of school. I don't see how what is happening with Coutinho is an example that Spurs are a happier camp than Liverpool. A bigger, better team want him. How does that translate to an unhappy team?
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I didn't say that Spurs are necessarily a happier camp than Liverpool, I said we are a happier camp than most Prem teams. I cited Liverpool simply to point out that several of rivals are not without their own problems.

The rest of your post lacks substance: "rumours" concerning Dier, when the fact is that he wasn't sold; Alderweired hasn't yet signed a new contract, which you seem to translate as "isn't going to"; and a storm in a tea-cup concerning Rose, who hasn't actually said that he wants to leave.

I'm not sure who the player is who "left after disagreeing with the manager" ... perhaps you could explain.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I didn't say that Spurs are necessarily a happier camp than Liverpool, I said we are a happier camp than most Prem teams. I cited Liverpool simply to point out that several of rivals are not without their own problems.

The rest of your post lacks substance: "rumours" concerning Dier, when the fact is that he wasn't sold; Alderweired hasn't yet signed a new contract, which you seem to translate as "isn't going to"; and a storm in a tea-cup concerning Rose, who hasn't actually said that he wants to leave.

I'm not sure who the player is who "left after disagreeing with the manager" ... perhaps you could explain.
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Erm, Kyle Walker?
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, I have never said that, but these endless inventions are tiresome :wenger: and do nothing to enhance discussion

I've said that - post-Berbatov - Spurs will not sell any star players to Prem rivals. Walker was not one of our star players. The policy stands.

Concerning Walker, as I've already said, Spurs were OK with the deal, not least because whether he or Trippier was seen as first choice was becoming increasingly marginal.

As for Rose, he's a silly boy. But his actual comments - apart from being contradictory - don't fit with the usual sensationalist headlines.
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Changing the rating of your players to accommodate your delusion won't help you. Is Rose a star/key player? Tell us who in your Tropheless squad do you class as "Star players" So we can come back and laugh at you when they leave.

name them if you date.
 
Random Task said:
This suggestion makes perfect sence to me. Pay Lingard 100k a week, make Spurs' players jealous in the process, reap the rewards when said jealousy forces those players to act out of character and demand a move up north, specifically Manchester (the red half of course).

A rather inspired, albeit slightly costly, transfer strategy that. Certainly beats the "spend vast sums of money on practically anyone who can kick a football to a reasonable standard" approach. Woody just went up in my book.
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not that costly when you only have to pay one of your average players twice what they're worth. If it brings in multiple good players it would have been a sound investment! What's that United paying their kit man 120k a week?? Gaffer I want out!!
 
EyeInTheSky said:
Changing the rating of your players to accommodate your delusion won't help you. Is Rose a star/key player? Tell us who in your Tropheless squad do you class as "Star players" So we can come back and laugh at you when they leave.

name them if you date.
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I second this. Name them Glaston.
 
Don't know how true it is but it looks as if Danny Rose is on 30k a week. That's really, really low. Especially as Sissoko is apparently on 95k.

Alli - 50k / Eriksen - 75k / Lloris - 80k

They are worth 2-3 times that amount. Spurs are going to be in trouble if they don't start winning things in the next 2 years.
 
acnumber9 said:
They were your words.

"there are not many players who are better than Lloris, Walker, Rose and Eriksen in their respective positions/roles (this already amounts to 7 players in our best XI). And those who are (or might be) are quite simply way out of our current price range."

A few weeks of football later and Trippier was more than good enough to replace one of those players.
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You've translated my saying that "there are not many players who are better than ... Walker", into my saying that "Spurs wouldn't be able to replace him". The two things do not equate.

I'd reckon that most neutral observers would say that Tripper was good at Burnley (which is why we signed him), has become better at Spurs, has broken into the England team, and is a very able replacement for Walker. Walker is better, but the difference between them overall has become fairly marginal IMO ... and certainly not worth rejecting £50m for.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I didn't say that Spurs are necessarily a happier camp than Liverpool, I said we are a happier camp than most Prem teams. I cited Liverpool simply to point out that several of rivals are not without their own problems.

The rest of your post lacks substance: "rumours" concerning Dier, when the fact is that he wasn't sold; Alderweired hasn't yet signed a new contract, which you seem to translate as "isn't going to"; and a storm in a tea-cup concerning Rose, who hasn't actually said that he wants to leave.

I'm not sure who the player is who "left after disagreeing with the manager" ... perhaps you could explain.
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What was the point in citing a player who hasn't left. Especially when you're defending any rumour of Dier with the fact he wasn't sold.

Dier not being sold doesn't really signal the players happiness. It may be an unsubstantiated rumour or it could be true. But there's more to that your opinion you have a happy camp. Did Walker and Pochettino not have a falling out over the FA Cup semi final? He hasn't said he wants to leave but does publically undermining your club and manager in public scream contentment.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You've translated my saying that "there are not many players who are better than ... Walker", into my saying that "Spurs wouldn't be able to replace him". The two things do not equate.

I'd reckon that most neutral observers would say that Tripper was good at Burnley (which is why we signed him), has become better at Spurs, has broken into the England team, and is a very able replacement for Walker. Walker is better, but the difference between them overall has become fairly marginal IMO ... and certainly not worth rejecting £50m for.
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You literally said any player who 'might' be able to replace them would be way beyond Tottenham's means. Then it became apparent he wanted out and suddenly you had a player in the club good enough. Are you seriously suggesting Spurs could not afford a player of the standard of Kieran Trippier or better?

Ultimately you speculated that Walker was the best in the world in his position and suddenly Trippier is only slightly worse than him all of a sudden. Where does that put Trippier in the hierarchy of right backs? This is why you can't be taken seriously.
 
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EyeInTheSky said:
not that costly when you only have to pay one of your average players twice what they're worth. If it brings in multiple good players it would have been a sound investment! What's that United paying their kit man 120k a week?? Gaffer I want out!!
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If we can convince Dele Alli that our kit man currently earns 120k a week, that will be the straw that breaks the camels back. He'll be begging United to buy him. As will Mr Kane.

Shouldn't prove to be a difficult endeavour, both of those named appear to be rather dense.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
OK, say for a moment that Barca or Real are not interested? Maybe they've already signed midfield superstars and are not in the market for another. Or maybe they are interested, but know about Spurs policy of 'not selling to domestic competitors' and so are offering £30 million less than Man City - what then?

You talk in such a definitive way, but the point is there are a million different factors that can come into play. To announce, as though you are the Spurs chairman, that 'we will never sell any key player to another English club' is the kind of thing that makes people think that it isn't worth debating with you because you are unprepared to accept anything that might paint Spurs in anything less than the most flattering light.

Newsflash, Spurs are just a decent sized premier league club, and your top players will be picked off - just the same as for most clubs - whether you like it or not, if you do not pay them accordingly and/or start winning things pretty bloody quickly. You don't have to take it so personally, we are in exactly the same position with clubs who are (currently) higher up the food chain...we're just that bit higher up than you guys so there are fewer clubs able to do it to us.
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It's not based on my saying it and nor has it anything to do with my taking it personally. It's based on the last 9 years of evidence. And it's based on information about Levy's change of attitude after the Berbatov saga - relayed by people with a proven track record of being in the know. Be sceptical if you wish, but unless and until the policy is breached you're in no position to say that I'm wrong.

Maybe some of our star players will be picked off, but not by a Prem rival. And besides, these dire predictions are hardly new, but have not yet come to pass.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's a rough estimate. Increased income from:

* Ticket sales (74% increase in stadium capacity)
* Merchandising (from many more visitors to the stadium)
* Corporate 'boxes'
* Stadium naming rights (the club is aiming for £400m over 20 years)
* Income from non-football entertainment events (multi-purpose stadium)
* Income from the NFL.
* Increased income from sundry other sources (e.g. the greatly expanded number and range of restaurants and cafes, extreme sports centre, sky walk, etc. etc).

That's without factoring in later planned developments - hotel, housing and more.
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I'm sure you would have an increased income. However listing those and examples and then landing at 100 million extra per year seems wildly inaccurate.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I've already done so several times previously in other threads: Lloris, Alderweireld, Eriksen, Alli and Kane.
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To be fair these players are a step above Rose, but he's still a key, key player for yous.
 
Random Task said:
Erm, Kyle Walker?
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Well, if you say so. I rather think it had more to with Walker moving for higher wages, his partner wanting to move back up north and Spurs being OK with selling him.
 
Random Task said:
Dembele, Wanyama and Dier not key players?
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I prefer the term star players. And compared to Lloris, Alderweireld, Eriksen, Alli and Kane, these others are not star players and all more easily replaceable IMO. But different folk may have different opinions about that ... such is the nature of discussion forums.
 
About time a player talked plainly about wanting more money. None of this other BS like Neymar.

Idiot or badly advised for signing that contract though if he wanted top wages.
 
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