Genuine question. Two parts: 1 - do you actually consider Spurs equal to or bigger in size than United? 2 - Do you consider Spurs as more likely to keep onto their stars as United? I'm curious.
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They came third that year. Arsenal pipped them.
Who wouldn't want a raise?
Seriously. If you're not getting what you're worth and someone else if willing to, and you have no particular attachment, there is no reason to stay.
He isn't from London, he did not support the team growing up.
Seriously. If you're not getting what you're worth and someone else if willing to, and you have no particular attachment, there is no reason to stay.
He isn't from London, he did not support the team growing up.
Interesting theory. So you think that Spurs accepted the deal because they were happy with the money?
You're right, it was said last year. Probably the year before that as well.
So we're a year on and Spurs are still underpaying their players, still pricing them out of the market, still refusing to grant them release clauses that they may leave the club should the opportunity arise. A year on and Spurs still have nothing to show for their efforts in the way of trophies. No progression, just stagnant growth.
Danny Rose, however disgraceful his actions, recognizes this. Walker did too. Alderwield is on a similar page, whether he will force his way out should Levy refuse to meet his demands is up for debate. Still, it's happening now Glaston. You can see it right?
Lol ... OK Mr. Psychologist.
Your facts are wrong, we finished 3rd when Leicester won the title, then 2nd last season. So there has been continuous improvement for the last 3 seasons running, in terms of points, league position, goals scored, goals conceded and goal difference .... which kind of puts the kibosh on your cute theory concerning "... the slightest sense that the 'journey' has slowed down".
You need to revisit your theory next summer and see if it has then become true.
If you say so Comical Ali.
How does it feel losing your starting RB, and now having your starting LB questioned your clubs ambition?
A technical hitch or divine intervention by the way of the late great Sir Matt Busby? I know what I believe.
Regardless, De Gea remains a United player. We only sell who we don't wish to keep anymore.
Nothing would please me more than to see Spurs do a Monaco. Nothing more than they deserve. Levy is a real prat.
Shame really losing your best players. Can't blame them when they see their fellow players elsewhere earn so much more and have a higher chance of winning something.
Why would we 'deserve' that?
Happy enough, not just because of the money, but also because Trippier has progressed and shown himself to a very capable RB in his own right, so retaining Walker was not seen as important enough to turn down £50m.
Maybe on account of the fact that I just don't like Spurs, their thuggish fans and that tight-wad in the top seat!
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This is not the case, as my post #566 makes clear: there has been clear continuing progression.
One player has been sold - Walker - in a deal that Spurs were OK with. And on this slender pillar, coupled with an inaccurate portrayal as to Spurs progress, you and others are attempting to erect the grand mansion of Spurs's supposed imminent collapse.
As I said earlier, wishful thinking rules when it comes to many opposition fans with regard to Spurs.
Actually it's quite unlikely for an average Man Utd fan to wish that on Spurs. All my United buddies were rooting for Spurs to win the league at the tail end of last season. On Caf though, it's another story.
Valencia also broke his leg... but had a different mindset and dedication to his craft than Shaw so came back and although he wasn't the same attacker he forced his way into being a mainstay in the sideŕ.
Shaw has rarely been in top shape in all his time at the club and sentiments aside shouldn't feature as our first choice at left back as he's not tactically astute or fit enough for any of the 3 United managers he's had so far.
The big miss was Mendy, £50m on a world class 23 year old who could play for your club for 8 to 10 years is not expensive anymore.
Signing another currently injured left back with possibly serious knee issues isn't any better but with 20 days left of the window we may not have many other choices. If Rose wants to sign for us then at this point it may be worth it.
Shaw has rarely been in top shape in all his time at the club and sentiments aside shouldn't feature as our first choice at left back as he's not tactically astute or fit enough for any of the 3 United managers he's had so far.
The big miss was Mendy, £50m on a world class 23 year old who could play for your club for 8 to 10 years is not expensive anymore.
Signing another currently injured left back with possibly serious knee issues isn't any better but with 20 days left of the window we may not have many other choices. If Rose wants to sign for us then at this point it may be worth it.
Not the fans specifically (though a rather large contingent would enjoy rubbing it in Glaston's nose undoubtdly) more the chairman and his poor handling of the players who represent his club.
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Agree with this. They used to be my 'second team' that I would wish good things on but over the last few years, I've just grown to despise them. When they racially abused Robbie from ArsenalFanTV last season, the hatred was complete.
No on both counts. But concerning the 2nd question, we have more stars than United to keep hold of in the first place, despite the zillions you've spent.
Would you like to explain the relevance of your questions to Rose? I'm curious.
Think this is true.
Danny Rose is bang average, no better than we already have.
Also untrue. I haven't said that. But then some Caftards like to fabricate things, as they strangely think it makes their arguments stronger. It doesn't.
Not really in my opinion. Selfishly it's always better for us if our rivals are weakened but objectively it's far better for the league if there are more stronger teams and last season was an excellent one for English football. 6 great teams, lots of excitement and a better run in Europe (well in the Europa League at least).
If Spurs or Liverpool were torn apart it would be sad for the league but great for us so yeah, hope you guys lose all your best players
Totally with Nev's on this. The way in which Rose conducted himself throughout that interview shows a distinct lack or respect for the club and worse still his team mates.
Not true.
I'm fine with the first, not fine with the 2nd.
Assuming that you support United, how did it feel to be looking up the table at Spurs across that massive gap?
Yeah but he just stick his beak in to everything. I know it's his job and all but I personally find it slightly annoying that he always holds a moral high ground.
Can't speak for other United fans but on a personal level my feelings on Spurs as a football club are ambivalent at worst. I'd take no comfort in their demise were it to happen.
City or Liverpool on the otherhand...
Do you not see the logic in what's being said, the general consensus that Spurs' players are drastically underpaid and they will perhaps seek greener pastures in the near future were this to remain unaddessed?
I can't answer for him but for me it was cushioned by ending up with the same prize and a couple of trophies to go with. How do you feel that the impression that you liked to create that everyone was perfectly happy at Tottenham has been shattered?
Wishful thinking from the Spurs fans that this wouldn't happen sooner or later, next out to demand market value salaries will be Alli and Alderweireld.
There's always someone who says this about everyone. People said it about Lukaku, they said it about Matic, it's like people don't rate anyone unless they're like a superstar/future Ballon d'or contender
You're basically describing every transfer ever.
I was surprised that more Spurs players didn't say this earlier. In the market crazy with transfer fees and wages, they seem to be incredibly low on salary as compared to others.
For a player whom Levy will value at 50M at least in the market, a salary of < 60-100k is a bit ridiculous.
For a player whom Levy will value at 50M at least in the market, a salary of < 60-100k is a bit ridiculous.
Think he's definitely off.
I agree that we need to improve our ability to pay higher wages, otherwise the risk you mentioned comes into increasing play.
But the club is addressing this by building the new stadium. This will boost our income by perhaps around £100m per year, although increased debt servicing will have to be subtracted from this figure for a while.
Hey man, I'm just an interested, and unbiased observer. I quite like Spurs. I would hazard a guess that my view is significantly less tainted than yours where Spurs are concerned.
Whether you finished 2nd or 3rd in the year that Leicester won the league doesn't really diminish my theory - I clearly said that this season was going to be the important one. If you win the league then fair dos, but what my 'cute' theory suggests is that some of your players may well be starting to doubt that they will ever win anything significant with Spurs. And whilst you might scoff at that one of your first team players is in todays papers saying pretty much exactly that.
Would love to see us sign him. Not sure it would make great sense swapping Shaw for him though. Maybe Spurs could be tempted by either Jones or Smalling +cash.
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