Danny Rose | Rose: "I will play up North before I retire"

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Rose is better than Shaw if we can get him them we really to go for it.

As for how he has acted I don't like it but then again after Jose saying Bale needed to speak about wanting a utd move you can't blame Rose for deciding to make himself heard.
 
roonster09 said:
Please tell us what criteria we have to use to measure defense other than goals conceded?
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A plethora of things, it is far too simplistic to just use goals conceded as the definite barometer of who has a better defense. It does not take any other variables into account, the most telling one being how the team sets out to play, and in the last couple years United have been far more defensive than the likes of PSG and Barcelona
Do you think Bournemouth and Everton have a superior standard of attack to United? Because both teams scored more goals last season in the league. Of course not, because it ignores all the other factors.

Edit: If you want to carry on pm me, Im going to stop going off topic :D
 
lsd said:
Rose is better than Shaw if we can get him them we really to go for it.

As for how he has acted I don't like it but then again after Jose saying Bale needed to speak about wanting a utd move you can't blame Rose for deciding to make himself heard.
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You what?.By better you mean fitter and less brittle then yes if you mean technically then no
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
I agree that it's all a bit unedifying.

However, it's probably a mix of a) Levy being an absolute cnut of a guy to negotiate with, therefore the chances of sorting it out amicably behind the scenes are slim, and b) sneaky Jose tapping him up behind the scenes.

As to what Rose actually said in the interview, I agreed with most of it.

Reminds me most of what Sterling did a couple of years ago...and we all know how that ended up...
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That's an absolute given.

I also agreed with what Rose said, most of us have been saying it all summer long; Spurs needed to sign players as their squad wasn't good enough overall. A few injuries to key personnel would see them in dire straits. But for Rose to come out and directly state as much in the press, where all and sundry will hear of it, whilst remaining firmly under contract to club he is beratting I might add, just stinks of low character.

(Wonder what Deli Alli thinks of the whole thing, time to put in a cheeky bid mayhaps?)
 
I enjoy the stories about Levy being an absolutely nightmare to deal with when you want one of his players.

Might have something to do with their lack of purchases....
 
GlastonSpur said:
How? Simple: the quality gap between Trippier and Walker is minor, far less than that between Davies and Rose.
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Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Trippier played 101 minutes in the league between August and mid-March. You can't genuinely believe Spurs authorised the Walker sale (to a title rival no less) because the club were 'OK' with it.

The player clearly forced the move and the club had to accept. As it turns out Trippier is a very capable replacement but that certainly isn't why the deal went through.
 
bid 30 million to start with and add a bit of fuel to the flames

Rose and Shaw would be nice options at left back
 
I hope we swoop in and pick him up. He would upgrade our team immensely, even if it would probably mean the end of Luke Shaw's United career.
 
Random Task said:
(Wonder what Deli Alli thinks of the whole thing, time to put in a cheeky bid mayhaps?)
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I tell you what, if this thing starts to gain traction - and particularly if Spurs don't have a great season - then both Alli and Kane will be weighing up their options, no doubt.

That's the thing about being at a club at the level of Spurs, if you are not winning trophies and you are a top class player that is good enough to play anywhere, why would you stick around? And that's not meant to be United based arrogance - I think we would face the same battle if we went a few years without winning anything...
 
If he's willing to come here, just buy him.vastly appointed with Shaw's development here,our biggest concern is attack from wing, we severely lack in quality in those positions.Our wing backs never over lap or one dimensional in attack.Rose is brilliant player who could adapt to Jose's plan perfectly.
 
To do such an interview when the PL starts in a few days is crazy. He makes valid points though.
 
This has got poor signing written all over it.

Desperate to leave for money.
Hasn't played in a while and won't be back until September.
Plays in a system which plays to his strengths.

He'll come here and be underwhelming imo.
 
If he wants to come bring him over. We need a LB, and it's nice to see he has ambition.
 
We need a LB and he will do, anything is better than seeing Darmian and Blind back there
 
I like Shaw but we have no room for sentiment. He's had several seasons to blossom, has suffered with injuries granted, but his general level of fitness and commitment has been highly questionable.

If we can upgrade, do it. Sell one of Blind/Darmian and Shaw can compete with Rose - he's young enough to turn it around
 
He's a decent player, I think Pochettino's system suits him down to the ground though. I'm not entirely sure he's the type of fullback Mourinho would like for that side.

It's a bit funny though that he wants out to win things and more money, hopefully Alderweireld continues to run his contract down and follows suit next.
 
I think many of us didn't think Walker would be the last, I expect there to be more movement from Spurs before the window is up.

No matter how good Trippier can be, Walker was the best RB in the league last season and has gone to a rival. Rose just happens to be the first, probably poorly advised by an agent, who has gone public in a bid to force a pay rise or a move.

All top clubs, not just PL clubs, will be sniffing around Alderweireld, Kane, Alli, Dembele, LLoris etc. and most can literally double or even triple their wages.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
This has got poor signing written all over it.

Desperate to leave for money.
Hasn't played in a while and won't be back until September.
Plays in a system which plays to his strengths.

He'll come here and be underwhelming imo.
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He's getting paid West Brom wages at Spurs hardly wrong for him to want better wages is it.
 
Decent player and while I don't agree with going to the press like this, it's not like Spurs have shown any ambition to improve the squad this transfer window. Nobody knows if he's had this conversation behind closed doors. He may well have been told to shut up and then gone public. Would he improve the squad and our play in general? Definitely. Can't see why anyone's expecting a player to have no interest in trophies or wages when they compare them to clubs of equal standing. Would it be better if he'd come out and say he's happy with the squad, he thinks wages are inflated elsewhere so is happy earning less as he feels it makes him more motivated to work later in life so can give back and as for trophies, he'd rather say they tried hard and failed then won anything. We'd think he was insane.
 
Probably mentioned before but what sort of injury did he sustain? Seems like it's been several months since he last played.
 
AlecHDR said:
I can't convince you that I mean what I'm saying I guess. I wouldn't begrudge a move to a team that is obviously a step up in many regards.

I'm far from being alone. The first few posts here tell the story:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/david-de-gea.427388/

He signed a long contract so if he left this summer (or still leaves), I'll be expecting a transfer fee that reflect his status, the inflation in the market, and the length of his contract. Then I'll be wishing him luck.
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But United don't need money, so how would de Gea leaving this summer be a "win-win" for United? It'd weaken your team by removing its best player.

I'm not talking about whether or not you'd begrudge him moving.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Shaw was not worth the wages offered to him by United. He was offered those wages simply to lure him to the club.
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You reckon players move from Southampton to United just for money? He was offered standard starting full back money at United.

And what does it have to do with Rose?
 
GlastonSpur said:
But United don't need money, so how would de Gea leaving this summer be a "win-win" for United? It'd weaken your team by removing its best player.

I'm not talking about whether or not you'd begrudge him moving.
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De Gea is still very much in our first team plans, hence he won't be leaving this summer.

United only sell players they wish to move on (Ronnie being the only exception)
 
Random Task said:
That's an absolute given.

I also agreed with what Rose said, most of us have been saying it all summer long; Spurs needed to sign players as their squad wasn't good enough overall. A few injuries to key personnel would see them in dire straits. But for Rose to come out and directly state as much in the press, where all and sundry will hear of it, whilst remaining firmly under contract to club he is beratting I might add, just stinks of low character.

(Wonder what Deli Alli thinks of the whole thing, time to put in a cheeky bid mayhaps?)
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It's what most of you said last summer too, but Spurs still finished in the league streets ahead of United.
 
Random Task said:
De Gea is still very much in our first team plans, hence he won't be leaving this summer.

United only sell players they wish to move on (Ronnie being the only exception)
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That's bollocks. You were going to sell de Gea and only a technical hitch stopped it.

But in any case you haven't addressed the point that was under discussion.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's what most of you said last summer too, but Spurs still finished in the league streets ahead of United.
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Deep down those Spurs players are starting to realise that the last 2 seasons were probably as good as it is going to get. You finished second in a season where Leicester won the league, and then last year when City, United, Arsenal and Liverpool were all pretty poor. They are looking enviously at what players at other 'top' clubs are earning, and realising that at the very least City and United are likely to be a lot stronger than last season.

I think when things are developing, improving and the 'journey' is in full flight you can keep young, hungry, top class professionals happy - but if there is the slightest sense that the 'journey' has slowed down and they haven't quite reached the intended destination then they will start to get restless. This is a massive season for Spurs imho, if you take a perceived step backwards (which is quite possible in what is likely to be a hugely competitive premier league) then I see trouble ahead...
 
CM10 said:
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Trippier played 101 minutes in the league between August and mid-March. You can't genuinely believe Spurs authorised the Walker sale (to a title rival no less) because the club were 'OK' with it.

The player clearly forced the move and the club had to accept. As it turns out Trippier is a very capable replacement but that certainly isn't why the deal went through.
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Trippier also broke into the England team. And yes, given £50m and Trippier's progress, I do believe that Spurs were OK with selling Walker. Otherwise there would have been no deal.
 
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