You're twenty years out of date.
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You're twenty years out of date.
That's obviously a completely different point. Jordan Henderson isn't keeping the English Pirlo out of the squad, he's keeping out people with less ability than him. England don't pick on physical ability now, that's an incredibly cliched, outdated opinion, they just choose the best players that they can (who still aren't good enough).
He's really not tbf. The balance is just starting to shift.....slowly. Good kids who are genuinely well above their age in terms of playing the game are still getting ignored for kids who are faster and/or taller and using that to easily bang in 10 goals in outmatched games.....get a trial, fail said trial, and go nowhere.
I'm being epically general, but that was a huge problem, too many of the "He scored 8 goals in that 28-0 win" getting trials while the key cogs behind him were ignored when I played. And plenty of those players who got ignored are still top class now, whereas the goals have dried up for the big scorers now their physical advantages faded.
I'm being epically general, but that was a huge problem, too many of the "He scored 8 goals in that 28-0 win" getting trials while the key cogs behind him were ignored when I played. And plenty of those players who got ignored are still top class now, whereas the goals have dried up for the big scorers now their physical advantages faded.
I can only think of a handful of technically good english players in the last 20 years, if it's 20 years out of date where's all the technical great players? There's a few promising players but nothing more than that really
Patronising bullshit.
Incorrect, some of the lower level academy's may take this approach to some degree, but all the Cat 1 academy's are after technical players.
You need to think harder.
Not really no, haven't won the World Cup since 1966, 49 years is quite a while.
I don't generally see how that's "patronising bullshit" my initial point is that Alves his height doesn't matter, he's technically excellent and a fullback.
For a nation that created the sport we're always so far behind other nations, the only short technical player that England probably have right now is Wilshere or Sterling and even then I wouldn't say World Class.
We do have a lot of "athletes" in the English team though who lack creativity and imagination though. I think out of all the English players I would only say Sterling, Barkley, Kane (maybe in a season), Clyne (if he can consistently perform for a few seasons same goes for Sterling) are in a bracket for the future really.
If you look at the Spanish squad, Italians, Germans, Uruguay, even Brazil who aren't in the best of shape these days are still a few levels above England.
He is obviously using us to get a bumper contract at Barca....can we file this in the BS/contract renewal bin?
Oh shit you're right. I was basing it off Roy Keane's account of his bust up with Vieira. Still, he was slight and definitely not an athlete or tall.
Around January they were saying Montoya isn't leaving but Alves might, but Alves is probably the best RB around right now... I don't think he's using us it's more paper speculation than anything.
If Barcelona let him go I will never understand what goes on in the boardroom
Well, I am now like 10 years out of the game as "youth" ... and even further away from being a child. And I did acknowledge the shift has started, but very slowly, hell academies were probably still after technically sound players then, just it was far rarer, no doubt that it's becoming more common the more people push for it. But they still need help from local coaches and schools to hone these 10 goal wonder kids instead of just using them for cheap massive wins, but I assume that happens worldwide anyway, so isn't really the problem in the slightest -_-
Interesting but we know how this will end.
You seem to be looking at this on a very basic level and formulating blanket opinions on the state of the grassroots game in England as a result. It's clearly a lot more complex than you insinuate, and the fact we don't have top level players as comfortable on the ball as our Spanish counterparts isn't because we comprise of a country of dinosaurs that don't value control, skill and flair.
All you have to ask is where have Englands number 10's been outside of Scholes - similar with Germany, but they are now flying out with them, whereas England is coming out with some, but no way near the levels of Gotze, Ozil, Kroos, Draxler etc etc. Which is why people use Germany often as the blueprint to follow I guess. Since the old "10" is a position that's generally considered a technical heavy one....that's ignoring technical abilities in other areas England have been even rarer at producing.
We can only hope all this money going into the Premier League in a years time is going straight to grass roots and good training facilities for young players.
For a nation so engrossed in Football it needs a change, plus we just don't have an identity from a footballing perspective.
Spain keep the ball, Germany can go direct and are hyper efficient, South Americans are about attacking flare and direct dribbling, England is just... well England and what we do is hard to describe (which is a coaching issue also).
I actually think the USA will win a world cup before England wins its next at times which is pretty dire. as you say the shift is slow.
Smalling to me is probably a prime example he gets the ball looks up then is a deer in headlights he probably doesn't belong on a football field, England are quite good with the defensive side but everything else is just not there.
I suppose it doesn't help having coaches like Hodgson and Mclaren though.
Germany overhauled all their academies around 15 years ago though, they knew it had to change the way they approached it from a youth level. England took steps last year with its new training facilities but the issue is much deeper than that.
Alves is a far better right back than any of the English options.
I actually agree, England don't always play the better technical players. Carrick hasn't been given the game time he deserves for the national team, and Scholes was messed around.
Look at Welbeck. Gets loads of caps, but he's like bambi on ice.
I actually agree, England don't always play the better technical players. Carrick hasn't been given the game time he deserves for the national team, and Scholes was messed around.
Look at Welbeck. Gets loads of caps, but he's like bambi on ice.
Well yeah....given that all them German players I mentioned would of been found 15 years ago.
The English football identity of that is still of that of a working class team....but given the money they now all get, another reason it needs to move on. None of these guys anymore can relate to any of us bums anymore despite their (mostly) working class parents. I reckon a lot of the parents from the players from Spain, French, Germany, Italy etc....weren't so lopsided towards being just normal folk. How come not many of our english footballing heroes come from rich ass backgrounds?
Good man, it's daft isn't it? Small time behaviour.
Agree with your over-arching point. But G. Nev is basically a 6 footer - tall by modern full back standards!
Welbeck is technically very good, he just cannot finish when he needs to think about it.
I think he's right. In the last 20 years there are really handful of technically gifted English players.
BLOOD and THUNDER!
I reckon India will win a WC before England; or Burkina Faso come to think of it. Us old farts that remember 1966 often wax nostalgic about that team but ever since 1970, England has flattered to deceive. We've had some very gifted players since then, don't get me wrong, but I am at a loss to explain why a country that lives and breathes football has not been capable of putting a team together capable of challenging for honours. We even managed a 12 year hiatus when we didn't even show up for the finals.
The reasons for this are legion but I don't think it is because of a lack of talented players.
Welbeck is pretty good from a technical standpoint, just has no composure at all in front of goal and elementary ball striking.
It would really suck seeing us get rid of Rafael for like two years of Dani Alves.
Scholes was messed around because of Gerrard and Lampard's emergences, both very good technically.
Want him.
Me too, I think he's great.
He's capable of truly beautiful link up play with his winger/midfielder and I think his experience and attitude as a serial winner would be a brilliant addition to the club.
Only right-back available who would be an upgrade on Rafael both offensively and defensively
Loved this from Sid Lowe "I would call Dani Alves the best right back I have seen if it wasn't for the fact that right back seems such an inadequate description"
32 year looking for his last payday: Welcome Dani, we got lots of cash to burn.
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That you know of. Christ, the way people overrate Rafael on here is crazy.
its when he gets cramp which annoys me. if i was a manager and a top level premiership footballer went down with cramp, he wouldnt be getting paid. Nevermind coming off every other game with cramp like rafa.
Its like a joiner going to work without his hammer and saw
I never claimed otherwise.
In regards to Cafu and Zanetti, they played for the club they loved all their lives. They are two of a certain breed, like Gary Neville. They will give all they've got everytime they get the chance to wear their shirt - Dani Alves does't strike me like this type of player.
Well, obviously, this would be ideal, but very unlikely to be the case. If we sign Alves, then the chances of us going for another RB is very slim in my opinion. I doubt Van Gaal is the type of manager who likes an onslaught of new signings, it distrupts atmosphere and takes even more time for the team to gel, and a particularly necessary purchase of 2 RBs won't help things.
Let's just sign one top class one. Valencia is good enough for backup for the time being.
Would really like him, if Rafael has to go, still slightly unsure why. But if so Alves is definitely one of best about.
Dafuq?
He isn't the English Pirlo, he's the ginger Pirlo. You need to listen more intently to Mr Hodgson.
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