Deserves a pay rise for that alone.
Dani Alves
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Deserves a pay rise for that alone.
He's been injured & out for the season since late April man. http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/24/rafae...defender-is-ruled-out-for-the-season-5166082/
In fact, he's been injured or just deemed too shit to play all season: 11 appearances in total.
Not to mention he's only played 109 games for us in 7 years. Which is on average 15 games a season; out of 38 Prem games, atleast 12 Champions League games & domestic cup games too (52+ games in total, but only played on average 15 of them in his time here).
Of course he didnt play alot when he joined, but it wasnt too long before Fergie blooded him though. He's been our 1st choice RB for many years since then, but has had only one full season that i can remember, when he was deservedly voted into the team of the year a few years ago.
You have to agree, that its hearts in mouths time when he's up against an opponent in the box. Complete liability & hot head. Even his hand balls look so deliberate ffs.
Such a shame he didnt mature the way we thought he would, but i'd have Tony at RB everyday of week than that clown..
Atleast we agree on something then..
I think one of things making some hesitate on Alves is he's a bit of a wanker with his antics on the pitch, I admit that was part of my initial reluctance on him, as well as his age. However there is such a lack of good options at RB that Ivem warmed to the idea of him coming in for a couple of seasons and would just cross my fingers that he brought his fiery competitiveness with him and didn't see us as a well paid retirement home.
Thanks for the scoop. I mean in general, when he was fit, he was never given a look in.
The highlighted parts are assumptions and not entirely evidence based to say the least. Yes, we all hoped that he would have been an established RB by this point of time but how many RB's are truly world class at age 24-25 ? Im still in the middle regarding Rafael having a future at Old Trafford or not, but i think its safe to say that LVG has no place for him in his philosophy. I wish him nothing but the best of success if he departs through the honourable exit doors at old Trafford.
brilliantNo probs man. Hope you're keepin well buddy
The coaches & the manager are better placed to make a judgement on a player for the next game though eh Eric - they see how the players train all week.
When i was playin, many times i was shit hot in training & got put into the 1st team on the Sat & was absolute shite & got dropped for the next game. Other times i wasnt as good in training, but i somehow got a start on Sat & did pretty well.
A managers head must be wrecked tryin to gauge who's gonna do a job for them come match day.
I always wanted to be a striker or a central-midfielder, but my best position was full-back in hindsight - right & left positions (i'm right-footed, but my left was about 70% as good).
I just wish i had of dropped my ego & concentrated on what i was best at. Back then, full-backs werent as glamorous but ego got in the way as i said. Im 6ft 2in also, but was pretty quick, so back in the day you didnt see too many full-backs my size & i got talked out of (told i wasnt playing that position). Played winger alot of the time too. It was great to be able to defend & attack in the space of minutes. Loved that element.
I'm 39 now & i still kick myself that i didnt settle for full-back. Played in the Milk Cup, but realised very quickly i was not suited as a midfielder or Striker. As a full-back - i would have done a helluva lot better in increasing my chances to get a pro contract, but every footballing bloke will say that type of thing too
Need to get back playin football - miss it so much. Fitness is so shit though..
What other explanations can you give though Lazy?
I've given my opinion & whether folk agree or disagree with that - is absolutely fine, but most of us all think he's a liability / hot-head..
The question is why though?!
We need wankers in the team. Mr. Nice Guys just doesn't cut it for me.
Would be great for the next 2-3 years. Lots of experience, which is something we lack after saying goodbye to Evra, Rio, Vidic in the defence.. I think Alves for 2-3 years would be better, than splashing 25 mio pounds on Coleman or Carvajal..
And as a free agent, he would allow more money to be spent elsewhere on the pitch.
And as a free agent, he would allow more money to be spent elsewhere on the pitch.
I was about to post something similar. Bring him in for 2-3 years and keep an eye on the likes of Coleman. Rather than spunking silly money now on people like Coleman see how they progress and then buy.
According to Ducker, we are considering a move for him. I would like him here, even it is just for the short term. Clyne is not good enough.
Hell stay at barca I imagine. They really need him at least till January given their transfer ban.
I hate this. The guy has nothing to prove coming to Unite,d he's won pretty much everything there is to. I'd rather a young and ambitious player.
Let's just sign back Evra as well sure.
Let's just sign back Evra as well sure.
I didn't like the transfer in January, but I am more positive now. There are not many options at RB and Alves played much better in the second half of the season. For free it wouldn't be the worst transfer.
I'm in two minds. On the one hand, i don't want us to be a retirement home to greats on the wane and the wrong side of 30, Valdes, Schweiny, Alves etc. But at the same time we do lack experience, and Alves and Valdes alone have been there and done it all. If Van Gaal really believes he can motivate him to give his best for us, i'm all for it.
The only reason to get this guy over a decent right back is because he's free. I'm not sure a club of our stature should be of that mindset.
Still if it gets Valencia out of the team...
Still if it gets Valencia out of the team...
Nice nice, let's buy all the washed up Barca players, first Valdes and now Alves, what is next? Are we going to bring Puyol out of retirement to play CB for us?
This would have been a nice strategy in 2011 when these guys were in their prime, but now it is stupid.
This would have been a nice strategy in 2011 when these guys were in their prime, but now it is stupid.
Alves too old, Gundogan too injury prone, Otamendi too short. Every player we're linked to ends up with complaints about something even if irrelevant.
Every player we're linked to ends up with complaints about something even if irrelevant.He's got 2 good years left in him and he's a cheap cover on the right rear flank. We might as well have him than a winger or the crocked twin whose never available
This is my issue with Alves. His quality isn't in doubt. His age doesn't concern me too much either. But we need the players that come here to have something to prove. They need to walk out at Old Trafford with a real burning desire to succeed. I look at Herrera this season, then Di Maria, and see two quality footballers. But the difference in attitude and will to win has been huge.
I may be being harsh, and Alves may come here as determined as ever, but I wouldn't make these sort of signings a regular thing. You end up getting a few too many Maicon's and Sagna's in the end.
Alves too old, Gundogan too injury prone, Otamendi too short.
That's because we were spoiled by SAF's transfers who always brought top quality.
devilish escapes before its too late
I take your point Bhoy, but Alves is as fit as a fiddle - same as Cafu & Zanetti were; who both played to a world-class level up to & beyond 35 years of age. Foreign players look after themselves all year round & none of this goin on the piss all summer, like English players do.
My thinkin on this one is: Sell Rafa & sign Alves on a free & sign Darmian too. Let them both battle it out for the RB birth & that's us sorted at RB for years to come. Darmian could learn a helluva lot from Alves too & both of them would be cover for RB more importantly.
We definitely need 2 quality RB's thats for sure, because Tony shouldnt be playin there - he's a winger, not a RB. We're sorted at LB with Shaw & Blind (Rojo is shit at LB), so that's great. We need to have that scenario at RB, as we do at LB.
We need to have players that play in their specialised positions - not havin makeshift RB's like Jones or Tony, makeshift CB's ala Carrick & Fletch in the past & makeshift CM's ala Rooney. Its feckin rediculous seeing us having to do that so many times over the years & it hasnt worked, albeit we got 4th spot with Tony at RB this season past - but we might have got 3rd spot or higher if we'd a specialised RB playin instead though!
this. He's no worse than valencia defending and significantly better attacking. Bizaare statement when compairing a right back with a right winger converted into a right back but true enough
Didn't realize it would be on a free when this was last discussed. Would be a good move for a year or two if we can't find a suitable, younger/long term replacement this summer.
You may not notice but our squad is seriously and ridiculously unbalanced. Last season we had 3 of the biggest names in football in terms of strikers and not even 1 fit natural right fullback. We had to play a winger there because we had no options. Not to forget how many times we played strikers in midfield, midfielders in defense, center backs as left back etc. This squad lack from both quality and strength in depth and there's no way Woody would be able to find the necessary funds to sort the two issues.
Alves may be 32 and heading towards the end of his career but he's experienced, is still fit and on top of that he's a natural right back. Thanks to him we might as well afford a younger fullback and allow him to settle down at his own pace. I see little difference between this signing and the Owen/Larsson signing apart from the fact that Alves may actually prove useful to have around. His not a has been whose coming to OT to get a medal and piss the Scousers off.
Alves may be 32 and heading towards the end of his career but he's experienced, is still fit and on top of that he's a natural right back. Thanks to him we might as well afford a younger fullback and allow him to settle down at his own pace. I see little difference between this signing and the Owen/Larsson signing apart from the fact that Alves may actually prove useful to have around. His not a has been whose coming to OT to get a medal and piss the Scousers off.
As i said in a previous post, its been rumoured that Rafa ruled himself out of many games under Fergie & now LvG - even though the medical staff cleared him to train & then play on matchday.
Saha did that aswell, which lead Fergie to come out with something along these lines (when asked about Saha being injured again in a presser): "*eyes rolled* i think some players are injured in the heads.."
Fabrication. You can't spew that and merely claim that it's "rumoured."
This washed up player played 44 games for a treble chasing Barcelona this season. What a terrible washed up player.
Some people just talk nonsense for the sake of talking without looking at what's actually happening. If you are really convinced that he is a useless addition than name me a better RB that is available at the moment.
Some people just talk nonsense for the sake of talking without looking at what's actually happening. If you are really convinced that he is a useless addition than name me a better RB that is available at the moment.
He's had an excellent season, I think it's looking likely we'll sign him now. He was an incredible right-back, hopefully he can contribute here if he joins.
Why cant i?
If we all didnt comment on rumour - then there'd be a helluva lot less posts on the Caf's football forums
Why is it stupid? Alves has been excellent in the games I've seen him in this season, he's still a few years younger than (arguably) our most important player, he'd bring experience to a team that is (if anything) too young and inexperienced. Plus, he is free.
Over 30 doesn't automatically equate to washed up.
see no problem with it. The manager obviously doesnt rate Rafa for whatever reason. There is no point a player hanging around under a manager that doesnt rate him. It happens, move on.
Pretty strong comments from him:
"I may have two feet in the team (Barcelona), but I’ve also got one foot, my body and nearly my head out of the club.
“I would like to stay here but not at any price. Not only in terms of money but in terms of respect.
“If I’m not show that respect, I’ll go to another club. I won’t accept that they underestimate what I have given to this club. They haven’t given me the value I deserve.”
Makes him sound like a bit of a prick to be honest, but I'd happily take him if he wants to leave Barca
"I may have two feet in the team (Barcelona), but I’ve also got one foot, my body and nearly my head out of the club.
“I would like to stay here but not at any price. Not only in terms of money but in terms of respect.
“If I’m not show that respect, I’ll go to another club. I won’t accept that they underestimate what I have given to this club. They haven’t given me the value I deserve.”
Makes him sound like a bit of a prick to be honest, but I'd happily take him if he wants to leave Barca
If we do sign him I'd like us to bring in a young right-back he can help mentor to succeed him too.
Coleman is already in his mid 20's so I doubt there's much point waiting for him to keep developing massively. Agree with your general point though, if there aren't good long term alternatives then why not go for a quality short term fix for now?
Why cant i?
If we all didnt comment on rumour - then there'd be a helluva lot less posts on the Caf's football forums
Because it's an unsubstantiated claim that you've made no attempt to validate, instead just churning it out to fall in line with the lifting Rafael agenda you've got going on in this thread.
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