We should be all over this.
Dani Alves
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I would like to see us sign Alves. Brilliant going forward which is what LVG's system requires of a full-back.
I am not a big Dani Alves fan but he is an unbelievable upgrade on Antonio Valencia.
Does it? I always felt his full-backs were very limited (ie not being allowed past the half way line unless we need to score etc)
Definitely not what I have seen this season at United, or maybe thats because we always needed to score...
Would bring Alves in and keep Rafael. I think his experience and confidence would be great for us. We all know Rafael is a quality player too. If he get's injured, Alves would offer us a great quality. Something sadly Valencia lacks
This would be such a non LvG type of player. A right back that does not defend but literally hugs a touch line and stays in the opposition third all game. Exactly the type of player LvG hates and quite frankly he is too old and seems to have a pretty shite attitude. We should stay well clear of this one.
What you're saying applies mainly to grassroots level. At the national level, we do pick, in general, the most technical players available, it's just that most of them aren't very good.
I'm not sure I understand where this stuff about van Gaal not liking his full backs to attack is coming from. I'm pretty sure that our full backs are supposed to be providing width and getting to the byline working in tandem with the "inside left/right" who is supposed to cut in and shoot/ deliver crosses to the far post. It's clearly not working because Valencia is so incapable of beating a player and delivering a decent cross. Ironic really given that he is supposed to be a winger playing out of position! On the other side we have looked more threatening with Blind or Shaw overlapping, allowing Young more space to operate in. Most of our best football this year has come down the left hand side, which I think proves the theory is sound at least
Given LvG is the main guy deciding who should be brought in at club, we need not worry about the fit part. If LvG thinks Dani Alves doesn't fit, he won't bother. If he gives it a go, it will pretty much mean he sees Alves differently than what you mentioned and sees him fit in some way.
I thought a fullback who could provide width and keep the shape, plus provide us with tactical variation would be right down LvG territory. Especially if we persist with a left footer on the right wing.
But yeah, Alves has actually not had too bad an attitude over the past 5-6 years at Barca, but the reason I wouldn't be too excited would be his age and huge wages.
I suppose the transfer fee will make up for the wages, but it's a very short term solution which is ok if there's a lack of options, but ere are a couple out there. Also not sure how motivated he would be, having own just about everything there is to win.
Wait what....Cafu spent 5 years at three seperate clubs. Although I do believe he holds a strong affection of Garford and has regretted leaving for the glory.
Like if Rafael was playing, we would create so much more (something we lack so much) if we had a RB like this. Their willingness to make runs in behind the other full back, comfortable on the ball to play a number of different passes. It would double our chances created in my opinion on sheer movement alone.
same. I mean,he played 3 at the back without any fullbacks, instead, wingback/wingers.
Dont think we should be in for him. Not because I dont think he is a superb player, because i think he really is awesome. Just think that he may be like when Maicon went to City. Already won everything in football, end of his career and just looking a nice end of contract pay out. No drive or motivation just play for 2 years and collect that mula. Its why we always said City had a bunch of mercenaries. This just reeks of that for me
I think people are thinking of Alves in 2010 or so. He doesn't get past the other team's defense anywhere near as often (though still good for it once a game normally) but he's really solid defensively and obviously his short passing and composure is basically only approached by Lahm at RB in the whole world.
I think he'd be a perfect fit at RB for us under Van Gaal. Valencia seems to be required to maintain possession with a man covering him tightly when we go into that triangular 3 on 3 on the sideline with Mata-Herrera-Valencia, and he's very capable of linking up with those 2. Maybe he'll struggle at times in the air or with someone like Bolasie, especially by year 2 or 3 of the deal, but if you had to bet your life on him outperforming Seamus Coleman, Clyne or even Darmian over the next 2 seasons, wouldn't you? If he needs to be shipped to Italy as he turns 34 before season 3 here, that should be workable.
Since we've surely got at least one more year of Van Gaal and Alves is on a free and there aren't a bunch of great other RB candidates out there, I don't see why we wouldn't do this.
Odds are we'd get 2 very good seasons from Alves and maybe the market will look better in 2017 and we can address other positions with the transfer money saved in the meantime.
I think he'd be a perfect fit at RB for us under Van Gaal. Valencia seems to be required to maintain possession with a man covering him tightly when we go into that triangular 3 on 3 on the sideline with Mata-Herrera-Valencia, and he's very capable of linking up with those 2. Maybe he'll struggle at times in the air or with someone like Bolasie, especially by year 2 or 3 of the deal, but if you had to bet your life on him outperforming Seamus Coleman, Clyne or even Darmian over the next 2 seasons, wouldn't you? If he needs to be shipped to Italy as he turns 34 before season 3 here, that should be workable.
Since we've surely got at least one more year of Van Gaal and Alves is on a free and there aren't a bunch of great other RB candidates out there, I don't see why we wouldn't do this.
Odds are we'd get 2 very good seasons from Alves and maybe the market will look better in 2017 and we can address other positions with the transfer money saved in the meantime.
I don't think it's desire that sunk Maicon at Citeh.
Maicon was a pretty good player who had a short but incredible prime, under Mourinho mostly, and then struggled in the Prem as he moved there after his physical peak. Alves has been superb for about 8-9 straight seasons at this point.
Alves has been pretty vocal that he's being disrespected by Barcelona. That can basically only mean they are offering him less money than he thinks he deserves or less years on the deal. Unless there's some weird locker room stuff going on or he's weirdly mad that Barca have 4 captains and he isn't one of them, or doesn't feel supported with the racism thing.
But I wouldn't assume that just because he's likely mad that
If he wanted a payout he'd do what Xavi did and take a pay out to give up playing professional football and begin his lobbying career for Qatar like the massive hypocrite Guardiola.
Whilst I agree with you on current form he's the best RB in the world, he's had his best form in a Barca shirt this year quite honestly.
I think the thing is he's at the age where he knows what he can do, and what he can't do, he knows his limit.
I think the issue is with players like Valencia they stand up a defender, then knock it on and smash it as hard as they can it's a wasted opportunity. Where as Alves will measure a cross, play neat one twos with a midfielder or forward.
Just remembered the banana incident lkl
His defensive game is a bit better than Valencia's. Going forward, however, he's on a completely different planet.
It makes a lot of sense. We address a position that is an issue in our first team with a free player who will give us a couple of great seasons, and spend the big bucks in other areas. The whole wage demand thing from Alves is a moot point. We're the team who shelled out a hefty loan fee and heftier wages to bring in an injury-ridden Falcao on a gamble. We can afford Alves and we need a player like him. Why the hell not?
If he wants to come it's a no-brainer.
It makes a lot of sense. We address a position that is an issue in our first team with a free player who will give us a couple of great seasons, and spend the big bucks in other areas. The whole wage demand thing from Alves is a moot point. We're the team who shelled out a hefty loan fee and heftier wages to bring in an injury-ridden Falcao on a gamble. We can afford Alves and we need a player like him. Why the hell not?
If he wants to come it's a no-brainer.
We'll be shedding huge wages from Falcao, and possibly RVP. If Alves wants a good payout for his final two or so seasons, we should just give it to him. Valencia has proven to be a decent reliable fullback, so it's not like we're taking a massive risk with what is ultimately a free transfer.
i was in the Clyne camp, but if Alves is a realistic option, i'd take him for a year or two, definitely. if Clyne is still good in 2 years, we can sign him up later. or maybe they'll be more RB prospects.
Any ideas if Bayern would be in for him?
If he is interested in coming here Id take him over Clyne.
Dani Alves has a few quality years left in him yet.
Dani Alves has a few quality years left in him yet.
I'd have a measured & controlled Alves in the team for 2 seasons (if not 3), over Rafa. Its a complete no-brainer to anyone who watches football.
Rafa was being tipped as Alves' successor for the Brazilian national team (he's played 2 games so far in 2012, if memory serves) - but he's so far away from being in the Brazilian squad now, nevermind being 1st choice at RB.
The fact that he gets injured so much must surely have been assessed by the club - esp Louie. This season alone, he's had a fractured cheek-bone & cracked ribs, not to mention all the other constant niggles he continues to have since his 1st kicked a ball for us in the 2008/09 season.
Many on here will say he's all-action (which i agree with), but that doesnt mean he should be jumpin into every tackle & wrecking himself - that doesnt do him, or the club any good.
He's had far too many injuries at this point (many of his own doing & could have been avoided) - he should be more measured & look after himself better.
You dont need to jump into tackles to win the ball; as you not only risk injury or bookings, but risk giving away free's in dangerous positions if the ref deems it a foul - of which, Valencia is guilty of that on many occasions this season.
As good a player he was & potentially still can be (if he sorts out his fitness & wrecklessness), i think his days are numbered at United & i have no problem with that whatsover. He unreliable to be fit, first & foremost!
Love that quote. Id take Alves in a heartbeat. He's still got a quality year or two left in him.
I really dont see the draw with Clyne. The fact that he's English is an absurd reason just to buy him.
In regards to Prem RB's - i'd have Coleman over Clyne all day every day & thats just off the top of my head..
.....but it worked out so well with Shaw!
Coleman, Carvajal and Darmian are my choices for RB.
.....but it worked out so well with Shaw!
Coleman, Carvajal and Darmian are my choices for RB.
I'd say Coleman & Darmian are possibilities, but cant see Carvajal leaving tbh. I'd have Avles on a free & Darmian too - RB covered for many years ahead..
Bayern have already bid for Darmian apparently. No chance he'll choose us over them.
Could be the new Maicon, except he's asking for a 3 year contract I believe.
He's been exceptional again tonight.
I don't understand why he'd leave. Can't get much better than playing in such a dominant team.
It is pretty odd. His second half of the season has been fantastic and he has a good two years or so left in him at a side that seems unbeatable at the moment. He'd probably go down as a legend too.
Demands not met it seems.
Technically, he still hasn't decided. Board will be pressured to pay up, especially if we win the treble. We can't afford to lose him right now.
i would only want him here if he agreed to get rid of that little tuft of hair on top of his head, it looks ridiculous, looks as bad as ronaldos rugby ball shape haircut did
Seriously, we were coming in with the right idea when we bought Shaw (buy him young, nurture him into a regular full-back for the next 10 years). So what's the purpose of buying someone of that age (Alves) knowing that he will eventually need to be replaced soon? I just don't get the interest in Dani Alves at the current stages of his career.
It looks like shit. I mean literally.
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