He'd also be huge freaking improvement defensively, with Tony having no clue where to position himself for half the time.
ALves would be perfect. Great attacking threat but also good defensively. And that for free. We would be mad not going for him.
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He'd also be huge freaking improvement defensively, with Tony having no clue where to position himself for half the time.
ALves would be perfect. Great attacking threat but also good defensively. And that for free. We would be mad not going for him.
I'd take him on a two-year deal and save a bit of money for the right-back position for now. He doesn't have the engine to get back and forth all game like he used to but he's still a very good full back.
Although I personally think Valencia has done enough to earn the position.
Although I personally think Valencia has done enough to earn the position.
I was referring to his salary....its obvious he is trying to get more money from Barca but if he doesn't he will ask more to join us!
That will still be cheaper than a conventional signing though. We paid 27m for Luke Shaw on a 4 year contract for a salary of ~£5.2m per year. Alves is currently on £6.2m per year. Even if we offer him £7m per year that will still be cheaper than a signing of £20m on a £5m per year salary.
Valencia is not even in the same football galaxy as Alves to be compared with him. Their footballing ability are world's apart. And for those doubting his abilities due to his age, he played 44 games for a treble-chasing Barcelona this season, starting 43 of them.
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He confirmed no psg because national paper marca claimed he had already signed with psg mid season, and he denied it back then too. Same reason why he refused to answer any questions by the marca journalist today and told him his paper was rubbish.
True, but two seasons ago Rio was fantastic for us, playing a lot of games as we won the league. Last season he played like Anton. When you get old there is eventually a drop off. Alves could have his next season.
Personally i'd like to see a younger option come in.
I think he would be excellent for a couple of years.
Considering the lack of RB options out there in the transfer market this summer (Clyne isn't worth it), Dani Alves is probably the one we should be looking to sign. He'll be free so we save money, even if we have to pay him higher wages than the competition will. He has been a starter in a terrific Barca team this year, and his form over the past few months has been excellent. So he's probably the best RB signing we could make in the short term, while waiting for a better RB prospect to emerge in the next couple of years.
I'm glad that Dani Alves dismissed PSG as an option, because there had been quite a few reports that it was a done deal (him signing with PSG).
I'm glad that Dani Alves dismissed PSG as an option, because there had been quite a few reports that it was a done deal (him signing with PSG).
As a free transfer it seems ideal, he has turned it around in the last half of the season and I'd like to see him here now.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but think of the moolah we pi**ed away on Falcao. We could get two season of Alves for that money, and, having watched him this year for Barcelona, it's safe to say we'll get a better return from Dani.
Very good stop gap option if we decide against pursuing Coleman.
If he's motivated he'll be great. A fire's been lit under his belly the second half of the season and he's been excellent.
Aye, he seemed on the wane earlier in the season but he has been excellent during Barca's resurgence. Still think he might end up staying.
It just depends if his hearts in it . I don't want him coming over for one last big pay day .
Is there any legs behind this rumour? he'd be perfect for one season.. still seems very fit but do worry about the wages we would need to pay out and I hope we don't put him on a long contract.
Alves would be a fantastic signing & its great to see he's ruled out PSG now too. I was frettin with all those rumours of him agreeing a pre-contract with them, so that gives us a good chance of signing him.
From Alves point of view, coming to United is the same as being at Barca - only better, because our fans hero-worship & never give the players a hard-time if they're not doin well - apart from a few groans of course, but thats nothing like the torrid abuse players get playin for Barca or Real etc..
His age of 32 years, should not be a head-f*ck for any team wishing to sign him. You only have to look at Cafu & Zanetti to see how foreign players look after themselves & play to such a world-class standard for many years into their 30's.
I've said this many times, but get rid of Rafa - that lad is a total crock & has small man syndrome. He's a complete liability for much of his normal half season appearances
Get Alves in (free transfer) & someone else (Darmian), but so they can battle it out for a 1st team start. RB position is sorted for years to come. Job done!
From Alves point of view, coming to United is the same as being at Barca - only better, because our fans hero-worship & never give the players a hard-time if they're not doin well - apart from a few groans of course, but thats nothing like the torrid abuse players get playin for Barca or Real etc..
His age of 32 years, should not be a head-f*ck for any team wishing to sign him. You only have to look at Cafu & Zanetti to see how foreign players look after themselves & play to such a world-class standard for many years into their 30's.
I've said this many times, but get rid of Rafa - that lad is a total crock & has small man syndrome. He's a complete liability for much of his normal half season appearances
Get Alves in (free transfer) & someone else (Darmian), but so they can battle it out for a 1st team start. RB position is sorted for years to come. Job done!
Alves would be a fantastic signing & its great to see he's ruled out PSG now too. I was frettin with all those rumours of him agreeing a pre-contract with them, so that gives us a good chance of signing him.
From Alves point of view, coming to United is the same as being at Barca - only better, because our fans hero-worship & never give the players a hard-time if they're not doin well - apart from a few groans of course, but thats nothing like the torrid abuse players get playin for Barca or Real etc..
His age of 32 years, should not be a head-f*ck for any team wishing to sign him. You only have to look at Cafu & Zanetti to see how foreign players look after themselves & play to such a world-class standard for many years into their 30's.
I've said this many times, but get rid of Rafa - that lad is a total crock & has small man syndrome. He's a complete liability for much of his normal half season appearances
Get Alves in (free transfer) & someone else (Darmian), but so they can battle it out for a 1st team start. RB position is sorted for years to come. Job done!
Alves is actually shorter then Rafael
You "worry" - are you shelving out for players wages?
Why do you & many others, care so much about how much we pay for a player, or his wages?
Its not our money for Christ sake. Who gives a flying f*ck what the club spend
Alves is actually shorter then Rafael
He seems so tall in the middle of Barcelona midgets.
If Alves signs for us, I expect it to last for 2 years before he utilises the English language skills for a final pay cheque in the MLS.
You "worry" - are you shelving out for players wages?
Why do you & many others, care so much about how much we pay for a player, or his wages?
Its not our money for Christ sake. Who gives a flying f*ck what the club spend
Thing is if you're locked into a long term contract overpaying huge wages to a useless player than you're prevented from channelling money into a lucrative offer for another player. There is no such thing as a bottomless pit of money so even as a fan you should be concerned if your club is paying big wages to the wrong players as it could affect the overall success of your side.
Alves is actually shorter then Rafael
No he's not - they're both the same height:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/player/6281/dani-alves
http://www1.skysports.com/football/player/5108/rafael
Do you actually know what "Small Man Syndrome" is - which was my point?
Here's a few definition's for you: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=r...i=6YtjVZjuL4qfsgHXo4HQCA#q=small man syndrome
Its not because Rafa is short - its his mentality of being short. Its him tryin to prove how tough he is for the fans & the tv, and not giving a shit about the team - makin rash tackles & "gettin stuck in" when the situation doesnt require him to, giving away free's around / inside the box & gettin booked / sent off because of it.
He just constantly lets the team down to try to make folk think he's a "big man" ala John Terry, who is actually one tough bastard (injured & out for a month - but back in a week on painkilling injections & round the clock treatment for the next match), as much as i hate to admit it.
Nev was short & had a bitta Small Man Syndrome about him too, but he was hard & not a pussy like Rafa; who's been said to have ruled himself out of games because he didnt feel right (Fergie era) - even though the medical staff passed him fit on all those occasions.
He's been gettin paid shitloads for f*ck all - sittin on his arse "injured" for years. I'll be delighted to see the back of him & so will the club too i think. Sure we only wanted his twin brother Fabio in the first place - the much better player of the two, but the deal was take both or none. Bum deal we got in hindsight..
I like @Red Hand Devil, where have you been before? Just noticed you in recent times. You seem to talk a lot of sense.
While i do understand your perspective the main question i would ask is this > Are you basing your opinion on evidence or assumption ? (regarding Rafael trying to prove himself worthy by being reckless to say the least). You could also argue the case of him possessing a South-American mentality expressing itself by surpassing the boundaries of controlled demolition and going into reckless overdrive. I can imagine growing up in the lower class cities in Brazil and football being a dogfight there influencing him to express himself in the way you have described it with the small man syndrome. I do agree on the fact that his reckless overdrive has certain disadvantages to the system tho.
Is this a joke?
Would be a fantastic signing. If United can also land Schweinsteiger and Otamendi and Di Maria gets his shit together, United could actually be a dark horse à la Juventus this season for the Champions League next year. There would be some serious experience in the squad with players who know inside out how van Gaal wants to play. Alves is easily the best rightback in the world again on current form.
Remember Maicon at City?
Edit:...says the least original guy in the room.
Edit:...says the least original guy in the room.
Very calm & collected response man - something i'm improving on, still work to be done though. Respect to ya
I hear what you're saying, but as i said - who gives a shit what money the club spend or squander, aslong as we get the right players in this window & get us back to winning ways.
The club are not stupid - they want to ship out alot of players we already have. United is a business, so they want returns for investments made.
Far too many fans are caught up in the financials & most of their posts regarding transfers are about the money & not what that player will bring to the club. That does my head in. We're not Liverpool etc..
United are minted & will grow even more in the coming year, so folk should drop all this doom & gloom financial nonsense.
You gotta spend money to make money & the club know more about that than you or I. So cheer up / stop focusing on what lesser clubs fans would freak out about, and just look forward to what new players we'll bring in
Cant add anymore to that. Good post man!
Alongside his performances this season, which have really taken an upturn, especially since about February when they played City, we could do with the experience as well, 3rd youngest squad in the league and in what seems to be our strongest starting 11,we only have one player over 30, so the age issue isn't something I'd be too concerned about tbh, none of our prospective signings seem to be too old and at the back I'd estimate we have one of the youngest defences around with De Gea (24), Valencia (30), Smalling (25), Jones (23) and Shaw (19) so if we could get him on a free I reckon it would be some smart business tbh. I also think he'd be perfect for the way we play, if we continue with Mata wide right next season, his ability to get forward will be vital to create some width and allow Mata to cut inside, atm that happens but Valencia just isn't effective enough, he'd rather take no risks than actually run at his man and whip a ball in, which is in contrast to Alves. Also, down the years his link up play with Barca players has been excellent, him, Herrera and Mata down the right side could be brilliant. Personally think that the noise he's making suggests he wants more money at Barca though, but with him ruling out a move to PSG, I can only see us as the likely candidates if he does choose to leave.
made me laugh.
Apart from offering absolutely nothing in attack, killing any forward movement on the right and leaving Smalling left to deal with his side of the pitch when he gets too far forward?
All Valencia has is pace and strength, he's not a great tackler, he's bad positioning, can't beat his man and has probably the worst cross in the game for a player who is actually a winger. But most wingers who can't cross make up for it by shooting, which Valencia is terrible at.
I didn't set out writing this comment as Valencia hatred but the more I thought about him while writing his flaws he's actually so bad
Anyway back to Alvez, I'm not a fan of him but he'd improve our right side massively.
I think its pretty evident that Rafa wants to be a crowd favourite by gettin stuck in & when he does - he's reckless most of the time. He goes into Rafa mode - "look at me - i'm hard", and in the process has everyone thinkin "what a feckin gobshite" - even commentators are close to sayin that.
As regards to his up-bringing in a Favela - of course that should give him added motivation to succeed & him being a small slight light back then, would always be added to the mix.
But thats no excuse now though, he's been at United since he was 17 (2008) & he's 24 yrs old now - 25yrs old on 9th July. He should have grown up & matured & dropped any chip on his shoulder that he has; instead he's a reckless dickhead, that has wasted a brilliant opportunity at one of the worlds most famous clubs, when we were all cryin out for the new Nev.
I thought Rafa was gonna be the best in the world at one stage, but the excuses / pardons, (by me & most of us) of him "still learning his game" are over these past 2 years.
He bombs forward so much (which is great), but jogs back when we're on the offensive - same as Evra did for a couple of seasons before he left (so infuriating to see), but he was never reckless & will always be regarded as a United legend for all he did for us.
Rafa's all about his headlines & not the team. Him being small is just part of the problem, but he most certainly wants to be looked at as hard, like Nev was!
As much as I think Rafael should be playing, I have accepted that he is off. So RB needs attention and I don't rate Clyne or Coleman as high as a lot of fans, so for me, Dani Alves on a free for a season or two until we find a long term option, is the best business we can do this summer.
What a load of shite.
Whats your view on Rafa?
Probably something along the lines of "great heart, runs all day, gets stuck in & bombs forward.." blah f*ckin blah..
Whats your view on Rafa?
Probably something along the lines of "great heart, runs all day, gets stuck in & bombs forward.." blah f*ckin blah..
Yep, along with "small man syndrome".
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