I am fairly sure that is what he said as the conversation was in Spanish ("hey negro", "porque tu es negro" etc). I think you are getting your "negro" and "negrito" confused.
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I am fairly sure that is what he said as the conversation was in Spanish ("hey negro", "porque tu es negro" etc). I think you are getting your "negro" and "negrito" confused.
Oh never knew that, thats pretty cool in a nerdish kind of way.
It's definitely possible that the word was said without any malicious or racist intent. As I said when I bumped the thread, though, it's his response to finding out that he upset someone with racist language (even accidentally) that really shames him.
Oh. Was it that he claimed to use the word Negorito and actually used the word Negro?
feck knows, this was too long ago. I apologise.
Edit: No you are right arent you. All the Liverpool fans were saying he is innocent because Negorito is an "affectionate" word, but he didnt use that word and admitted to using the other word.
I forgot!
It's well documented that "negrito" is widely used as a term of endearment or as a neutral, friendly sort of term - like "mate" or "dude" in English. That ain't in doubt.
But there's every reason to doubt that Suarez was simply calling Evra "mate", so the point is rather moot, surely. He was riling up an opponent by referring explicitly and derogatorily to the colour of his skin - that's what he was punished for. The "cultural misunderstanding" angle has been debunked well and truly - which Suarez conveniently seems to have forgotten all about.
I think so and no apology needed - whatever he claimed, we know it's bullsh*t.
The current interview has this quote from him
Suárez insisted that his intent was not to insult Evra. “No, not at any time,” he said. “I just said: ‘Why, negro?’
I've never heard anyone from Suarez camp ever claim he said negrito, it seemed to come from scouse twitter warriors mainly.
It's been a couple of years, but I'm fairly certain that he actually used the word 'Negro', and that the suggestion he used the word 'Negrito' basically came about by speculation. It had nothing to do with the case whatsoever. I think it was suggested by someone as an explanation and unfortunately Liverpool fans and then the media jumped on it. But it was always 'Negro'.
Yeah at the time I was getting mightly pissed off that they didnt even know what word he was being accused of saying.
Now I make the same mistake. Interestingly, so did the telegraph journalist
From the mighty W.
I also seem to remember the report determined Suarez said 'I kicked you because you are black' (translated)...
edit: just beaten to it.
edit: just beaten to it.
I remember when the entire Liverpool fanbase became experts on Uruguayan culture and language.
Language and customs are as meaningful as we want them to be. You can make a seemingly harmless gesture that's incredibly offensive in another country, just like you can misuse a word. Any failure to see its seriousness doesn't mitigate its offensiveness within the culture you're immersed in.
Even if a person used a word that's incredibly endearing back in their own country, they still have to readjust their mindset and realise that the new world around them doesn't adhere to their standard, and the word can potentially carry a very different meaning.
He's a racist scumbag.
What sane person would try to make sense of his defence?
By now we should just laugh at him and end off.
Seriously, some of you entertaining the idea of Suarez being misunderstood is just plain naive, probably believes in fairy tales and tooth fairy
By now we should just laugh at him and end off.
Seriously, some of you entertaining the idea of Suarez being misunderstood is just plain naive, probably believes in fairy tales and tooth fairy
I seriously don't know how can a person be so stupid, just watched his latest Guardian interview. He probably considers himself an Al Capone - you say that I kill people? But you have no proof! No, it's not a corpse back there.
And his "defensive" bites
And his "defensive" bites
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Suarez has to be delusional on some level. There is no way he is:
1) innocent of all the accusations or
2) simply stupid enough to think he is fooling us all.
I'm no shrink, but he is obviously off. His rationale is on another plane. He is as warped as despicable.
1) innocent of all the accusations or
2) simply stupid enough to think he is fooling us all.
I'm no shrink, but he is obviously off. His rationale is on another plane. He is as warped as despicable.
If I was accused of racism, my defense would be more than 'there is no proof, the other player is a liar'. For a start, I would be shocked for such horrific claims.
Him biting 3 different players, and in all cases acting like he was injured in order to escape the referee's punishment (and actually managin it) tells you all what you need to know about that scumbag.
Him biting 3 different players, and in all cases acting like he was injured in order to escape the referee's punishment (and actually managin it) tells you all what you need to know about that scumbag.
This thread needs Mockneys shame on negrito video.
but he doesn't roll with the reds anymore, does he still dive when hes touched?
Oops I didn't spot this thread and bumped another Suarez thread.
I can't believe he's brought this up again for any reason other than to apologise. This is the sort of thing you just need to apologise for and bury it in your past as best you can. You should not repeatedly bring it up, with the excuse that it's just confusion from cultural differences.
I can't believe he's brought this up again for any reason other than to apologise. This is the sort of thing you just need to apologise for and bury it in your past as best you can. You should not repeatedly bring it up, with the excuse that it's just confusion from cultural differences.
It still astounds me, why he couldn't have even given a shitty half apology.
"I'm sorry for any offence taken, I am not a racist, and I would like to have a chat with Patrice in private about what happened and my genuine opinions on matters of race."
Then it's all over.
"I'm sorry for any offence taken, I am not a racist, and I would like to have a chat with Patrice in private about what happened and my genuine opinions on matters of race."
Then it's all over.
A fantastic Footballer but, I am tired of this guy. I like that he is in Spain now. A lot easier to ignore him when he is there.
It was a horrible time. Liverpool fans thinking they were fighting us rather than fighting racism.
People making up slurs on Evra, the club themselves leaking stuff to the press, people like John Barnes coming out with comments like "there's no such thing as a race, it's a construct", those T Shirts. People like Kuyt giving such dodgy testimony that he was branded an "unreliable witness" in the official records. Evra being booed and called a liar everytime he went to Anfield.
When we beat them at home, Evra celebrating in his face was pure release.
I love how riled up the little vermin is. That and his winning F.A after playing like a possessed monster makes me content.
Schadenfreude at its best.
Schadenfreude at its best.
Im in the genuinly dont think he's a racist camp, but he's just an idiot for using that language, and if somebody takes offence to something you say, and it has a historical context of being offensive, he was right to get everything he got.
He is an odious tosser.
He pinched Evra, like the spoilt immature cnut that he is, don't forget.
Someone should clock him real good and claim it's what they do in their culture, so it's OK.
Love that he thinks it's a conspiracy and his word against Evra yet it's the defence his legal team agreed to and presented that lost him his argument. He agreed he had said it, the fa didn't see that his rationale and words were congruent, hardly his word against evra, had evra presented nothing Suarez will still have been done.
His conspiracy should be with Liverpool as had they admitted fault he would likely have got off lightly, but liverpool and Suarez made up rediculous statements and half cooked defence of Suarez, not dissimilar to the whole World Cup fall bit his shoulder to save myself defence this summer.
His conspiracy should be with Liverpool as had they admitted fault he would likely have got off lightly, but liverpool and Suarez made up rediculous statements and half cooked defence of Suarez, not dissimilar to the whole World Cup fall bit his shoulder to save myself defence this summer.
That old piss stained kenny dalgliesh and his t shirts was probably one of the most ridiculous things you'll ever see in sport. They deserve everything that comes to them, which is why seeing stevie slip last season gave me so much joy. Long may it continue.
that climax to last year worked so well as we'd pretty much accepted theyd won it and given up all hope.
to lose it then was truly magnicient
Making a racist comment and being a racist are 2 completely different things. I know Suarez feels like he wasnt being racist towards Evra with his comments but surely he has to realise why Patrice was offended by them and that is the crux of the matter for me. Suarez seems so fustratingly ignorant of this. Thats the biggest issue I have with him on this. Liverpool were numbskulls in the way they handled it and it surely must rank as one of the lowest moments in that clubs history although I felt the media let them off easily. It was them who were suppose to show the way by making Suarez realise that even though he meant no harm he still offended and that is wrong in itself.
Sorry can't separate making a comment and not being a racist unless someone can explain that one to me. So some one can say it but don't mean it. There's a thousand ways you can insult someone so why does that point of reference need to be their colour? What a load of crap....he's a racist.
Wait, he's complaining about the lack of evidence that he said it, AND that he said it but it's not offensive? Does he realize you either use one defence or the other, not both?
You can say something and not mean it so Suarez might not be a racist, just a tactless shit stirrer. That said I don't like how people say "oh he isn't a racist" as if it's fact. I mean, he fecking could be, this is the only evidence we have. I'm inclined to believe he's more likely to be a racist than not.
Maybe racist is not the word here. There's the world idea of racism but the dictionary says this: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race,especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. I dont know about you but that makes me feel like I practise racism everyday. The dic further describes racist as : a. A person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. b. Having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another. Maybe what happened between Suarez and Evra was a case of something else. Suarez himself said he did not think he was offending Evra at the time but for him to not understand on reflection why Evra was offended is baffling.
He stands by his notion that he used it only once, in "Por que, negro?" sentence. If so, I believe not even Evra would be too much upset by it. He denies insulting usage other six times.