Was just thinking on those linesConspiracy! Suarez reopens Evra race row with attack on Manchester United
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Was just thinking on those linesHe had been in England for a year by then, following a spell at Ajax. If he was straight off the plane from Uruguay you just might be willing to give him some benefit of the doubt. But the fact that, after several years living there, he was apparently unaware addressing a black player as "negro" in Northern Europe might be misconstrued stretches credibility. The fact he said it specifically to a black player (even though the term is used for all races according to him) in a heated argument in the most volatile fixture in English football suggests he's an idiot if he expects anyone to buy his excuse.
Why is paki offensive? Found that strange when I was studying in Uk. Pak means pure, Pakistani means the land of the pure, so how can paki be offensive?
The behavior by some of their fans, their manager, former players during that whole period was absolutely ridiculous.
Also funny that Evra's silence has only made them angrier.
Because it's used in a derogatory way towards people of Pakistani and Indinan origin.
Intent. And language is more nuanced than your description.
Fruedian slip?
They key word here.
But then anyone can find offence if they want to. Having worked in a country and in some regions where the largest groups were non-white I was called chalky, whitey, spook ...etc. It may have been expressed with intent to cause insult, but it caused none. I am white, and do not see any offence in someone telling me I am white. I actually got more offended by my white mates calling me boldy.
But its not derogatory? If someone would call me a curry eating bastard, I might get offended but if the word means pure I dont get why I am suppose to feel abused.
When used as a term of abuse, you can bet your arse that the person saying it is not intending to remind someone that they hail from the land of the pure.
Not to mention that's as likely to be used against someone from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or India as it is against someone who is actually of Pakistani descent.
Because it'd usually be followed by a cnut, prick, bastard or some such slur and said in an aggressive way.
Can understand why they would get mad atleast.
But then you should be insulted by the insult not feel racially abused.
Anyway I will drop it, couldnt understand it in my time in UK. Doubt I will now.
David Brent reckons it's racist.
Oh, Luis, if only you said only that, I reckon Evra probably wouldn't think much about it.
But you said that you kicked him because he's black. That you don't speak to blacks.
But hey, it's your word against Evra's. You just think that.
But you said that you kicked him because he's black. That you don't speak to blacks.
But hey, it's your word against Evra's. You just think that.
The average person using that epithet would probably have no idea that it means "pure" and it certainly wouldn't be intended as a compliment.
Yes but every pakistani will know it, its like if I insult a brit. by calling him handsome. No matter my intent, I would find it strange if he starts taking offense at the word handsome when he knows what it means.
Even if the insult is intended, it doesnt mean that one should take it? If he adds a swear word to it then ofcourse it makes sense to get mad at the swear word but not the word that is complimentary in its meaning.
And its not like the people using it have a different meaningfor it or if they do no one has been able to explain it to me
The discourse of language. Words change meaning over time, and in the UK that word has evolved to mean something offensive.
Tryin' to run game on a hero...
"Yes, I asked that Jewish mother if her baby had horns, that's perfectly acceptable in Bavaria in 1880."
That was genius from Mockney
It's strange how none of the other players from Uruguay or its neighbour Argentina have had these problems in England. You would almost think Suarez was trying to pass off as a cultural misunderstanding a cynical attempt to get an opponent sent off in which he over-stepped the mark (even while most of us would acknowledge he is probably not racist).
Even if we believe Suarez and that the term he uses does not, to him, hold any negative connotations, surely any reasonable person would at least come out and apologise for the offence caused even if they never intended it. I'm surprised his agent or sponsors haven't forced him to just apologise for it, call it a misunderstanding, a learning experience or whatever and then it's all behind him and we can move on.
What I find amazing is despite admitting that he said it, and now knowing the context of the word in Europe, he still hasn't apologized for any offence caused. If he'd just done that the next day it wouldn't have been anywhere near as big a story as it became.
The best way I can describe a white British person calling a Pakistani person a Paki, would be if I were to call a stranger in the street a fecking cnut for no other reason than they happened to be the closest person to me at the time.
"But in England, Man United has this political power, and you have to respect that and shut your mouth."
How dare you stop him from throwing racial slurs in front of the ref ! Don't you know in Uruguay it's a normal thing, you ignorant ?!
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How dare you stop him from throwing racial slurs in front of the ref ! Don't you know in Uruguay it's a normal thing, you ignorant ?!
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He's "on the right path"
There is a region in Africa named after the Niger river, If you called a black guy a name that may suggests he comes from there, I assure you that he will not jump on the net to find out what that means in that local's dialect.
The same applies.
It's what Gnash originally said to disciplinary panel isn't it?
I suppose it's vaguely possible he didn't know and was trying to be friendly after Evra got agitated about being accidentally kicked ('a normal foul').
But, I don't believe a word of it. And he needs to keep his trap shut (which'd be safest all round,really).
I suppose it's vaguely possible he didn't know and was trying to be friendly after Evra got agitated about being accidentally kicked ('a normal foul').
But, I don't believe a word of it. And he needs to keep his trap shut (which'd be safest all round,really).
But you're missing the point buddy. When someone calls someone a paki, even if that is where they are from, context is everything. If you're in a conversation and someone uses it to describe you without intent to insult, of course the world inherently isn't insulting. However in the majority of cases, If someone was calling you a paki it'd be as to suggest that it's a negative thing to be one.
Whether you take it as an insult is of course up to you. But nonetheless, it's been said with intent to be disrespectful. The insulting element isn't in the word said, it's the mere fact he was insulting you. Irrelevant of the word.
And you shouldn't believe a word of it because the argument falls on two key front:
1) if he was trying to be friendly, when Evra got offended he wouldn't have repeated it multiple times.
2) He had been in England long enough to know that here it isn't a form of affection.
I do get that but then whats the english meaning of the word? Collin said its like calling someone a cnut.
Guess its just one of those things that become taboo and you have to experience it to know why.
Think of it like this - do you not find the fact that they think they can use the word as an insult disrespectful? I'm proud to be of indian origin but it's the fact that someone thinks they can insult me for it that riles me.
It's like calling someone Chinese a Chink, or Japanese a Nip, or a Frenchman a Frog. The words themselves don't have to be bad words for them to be used negatively.
Paki is a hurtful word in the UK, because it is often spat with vitriol, occasionally accompanied by a neanderthal's size 10 boot.
Okay. But that wasnt the word he used, so is completely and utterly not useful in this discussion
Edit: This may not be true. I cant remember
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Yes, I think this is accurate. I am not Pakistani so I wouldn't pretend to know how it feels, but from the times I've seen or heard the word being used, I'd be pretty offended if i were Pakistani and someone called me that. Same thing with "jap", it seems like an innocent shortened version of calling someone Japanese, but beacuse it's been used in negative context for so long that most peoples first impressions is that you are using it in a derogatory manner.
That's one 'l' in Colin, sonny...
It does seem like Suarez' Grandmother did - and does - call him "Negorito"
2 years ago, after the racism incident, she came out and claimed it was her fault that he used the word. (link) Then after he got kicked out of the world cup, she actually used the word to refer to him (link)
Now this doesn't stop me from thinking he is guilty of what he said to Evra; John Terry was handed a ban for using two words that - separately - are not racist, but in context were. But, it does add at least a degree of sympathy more for him.
I mean, the guy is a cheating, biting, racist (maybe), fecking weirdo with a victims mentality. So when I say I have some sympathy for him, it's not enough for me to really care. But perhaps part of his incredulous makes a little more sense. He's the one that has got to learn though, not the rest of the world
Edit: It has been pointed out it was the other word he used.
I forgot
2 years ago, after the racism incident, she came out and claimed it was her fault that he used the word. (link) Then after he got kicked out of the world cup, she actually used the word to refer to him (link)
Now this doesn't stop me from thinking he is guilty of what he said to Evra; John Terry was handed a ban for using two words that - separately - are not racist, but in context were. But, it does add at least a degree of sympathy more for him.
I mean, the guy is a cheating, biting, racist (maybe), fecking weirdo with a victims mentality. So when I say I have some sympathy for him, it's not enough for me to really care. But perhaps part of his incredulous makes a little more sense. He's the one that has got to learn though, not the rest of the world
Edit: It has been pointed out it was the other word he used.
I forgot
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Not really, cos am proud of where I am from. Even words like freshie, etc didnt bother me as I would hate to be mistaken for a brit asian more than someone from back home.
The first time someone told me about it, I think I laughed because was thinking they had fifty years to insult us and couldnt come up with one creative insult. Thats like us calling them gora as an insult.
Two would make it more cooler, though?
It's like calling someone Chinese a Chink, or Japanese a Nip, or a Frenchman a Frog. The words themselves don't have to be bad words for them to be used negatively.
Paki is a hurtful word in the UK, because it is often spat with vitriol, occasionally accompanied by a neanderthal's size 10 boot.[/QUOTE]
Good point.