Daily Star in good article shocker 
Conspiracy! Suarez reopens Evra race row with attack on Manchester United
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"The chipmunk-faced striker believes this is why he got an eight-match FA ban for repeatedly racially abusing Patrice Evra"
Is that a parody article or something that I'm missing?? If not then I've just developed some respect for the Daily Star 
Excal on such a topic even I wouldn't WUM.
I am British with a Pakistani background. I'm also old enough to have been called P*** in the late 70s/80s.
If my Asian friends try to use the P word affectionately with me I tell them where I stand with it. If another Asian tries to offend me by using the P word or calling me a cocunut/choc ice (yes Asians use that term too) then its racist abuse where I stand.
It is not only offensive to non-white people but it is offensive to white people too, as it implies being white is bad. On that note I don't stand for Asians calling white people honky, cracker or any phrases either as that is plain head shaking hypocrisy.
"Chip munk faced striker"
So, in short, you feel that any usage of racial epithets, regardless of the race of the speaker or the context of the usage, is offensive.
And yet you STILL choose to bring up that absolute nonsense about Suarez being from Uruguay being some form of excusing factor, implying that Rio saying choc-ice is somehow less excusable than what Suarez said.
You should've taken the out and claimed to be wumming.
And yet you STILL choose to bring up that absolute nonsense about Suarez being from Uruguay being some form of excusing factor, implying that Rio saying choc-ice is somehow less excusable than what Suarez said.
You should've taken the out and claimed to be wumming.
Guess what? We're not that arsed
Well no, not really. Personally, I couldn't give a shit either. Rio actually had it pretty close saying it's someone who's a 'fake'.
Put it this way: "You're black, but you act like a white person, thus shedding your own cultural identity. Stop pretending to be white you fake." It makes sense doesn't it (well, in the context of this whole debacle)?
It was a silly comment to make, but it's not really on the same level as what Suarez said, and what Terry was alleged to have done.
Ask yourself this: "Could Rio be convicted of racial abuse?" Put it to a court and they'd just throw it out.
What about 'Uncle Tom', is it racist for one Blackman to say that to another? That's essentially what I understand 'choc ice' to mean.
Uncle tom is way worse of an insult IMO than choc ice/coconut. Atleast in my experience that is the case.
Can I call others who are pakistani on the outside, dirty scouse shites on the inside : "dumpstar's" ?
I'm of Asian ethnicity as well and coconut does not imply 'white is bad', the term implies that you act or have a different cultural background than someone who is traditionally Asian.
Not surprised you get offended easily, considering who you support.
I note desperation by the scouser here.
Oh god this isn't still rumbling on is it Zzzzz
moronic feckin arguments being had again by idiotic scousers whose only recourse is to blindly support this scumbag.
He called a black man negro. several times. during an argument. trying to insult him. the whole world outside liverpool knows it. has accepted it. has tried to move on despite the bad taste left by no direct apology to the man abused by the club or player.
suarez lied and their club and all time hero paid the price. and still they go on. left with a conniving, lying piece of filth who to this day can still spin a complete contradiction to the admittance of guilt over the handshake he previously made and be defended by the liverpool fans. they are a joke. he is a toerag. they are well matched
He called a black man negro. several times. during an argument. trying to insult him. the whole world outside liverpool knows it. has accepted it. has tried to move on despite the bad taste left by no direct apology to the man abused by the club or player.
suarez lied and their club and all time hero paid the price. and still they go on. left with a conniving, lying piece of filth who to this day can still spin a complete contradiction to the admittance of guilt over the handshake he previously made and be defended by the liverpool fans. they are a joke. he is a toerag. they are well matched
i wonder if rooney had a word with rio as ashley cole is rooney's best mate in football.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...organ-Wayne-Rooney-Id-bullet-Ashley-Cole.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...organ-Wayne-Rooney-Id-bullet-Ashley-Cole.html
Oh yeah, it's a way more serious name to be calling someone, and it's an offensive name to call someone with a racial meaning. Does that mean that Ali was a racist then?
I'm no expert in racial tensions and what is/isn't racist, coming from the west of Ireland we don't have much experience in all that, but I do possess some common sense which is more than is being displayed by most Pool fans.
Term is similar to the derogatory weight of when malcom x used the 'house ni**a/field ni**a' distinction/insult.
When a black or minority person calls another person an uncle tom, it isn't a pure racist charge as much as it as questioning ones honor, dignity, identity, and allegiance.
I would not characterize ali being racist when he used it on frazier.
I agree, and that's what I mean by asking the question. 'choc ice' seems to me to be a less serious version of 'uncle tom'.
Uncle Tom = Black man who bows to and gives into the will of all white men.
Choc-Ice = Black man who acts white or in the best interests of the white men.
Similar in meaning, and although they have racial meanings that doesn't mean that they are 'racist' terms when used by one black guy to another. Surly that is obvious.
oh yeah. i guess i misread your post. definitely, i agree with this.
there's def way more leeway with choc ice/coconut though, esp in context.
You could have a minority who just grew up in a very white or foreign environment and being 'choc ice or coconut' is just him/her being themselves.
I don't know ashley cole well enough to know if this is the case but i'm pretty sure rio meant it as an insult, but not racist. definitely.
a lil ott
but it annoys me when afro-american (i'm still lost as to the correct term to address them, since i'm not only refering to american) are so agitated at being called nigger, nigga, etc while they spout the same line 24/7 among themselves. on their songs, as a greeting, in the movies, and everything else.
And when a white calls them exactly that they cry foul.
Talking about irony.
speaking of which, do you think a line of "Niger" can be categorised as racist if a black person speaks iy to another black person?
but it annoys me when afro-american (i'm still lost as to the correct term to address them, since i'm not only refering to american) are so agitated at being called nigger, nigga, etc while they spout the same line 24/7 among themselves. on their songs, as a greeting, in the movies, and everything else.
And when a white calls them exactly that they cry foul.
Talking about irony.
speaking of which, do you think a line of "Niger" can be categorised as racist if a black person speaks iy to another black person?
Yes, black people are all rappers. Well done on your epic sensitivity.
There's always one.... I despair.
Let's not forget Rio didn't call anyone choc-ice. He simply called the term 'classic', which it is as it's not much used anymore. If I heard someone call someone else an oreo, I might say, "Wow, oreo, haven't heard that in a while, classic. Ha ha." In which case I'd be laughing at the use of a term I haven't heard in a long time, not attaching the word to anyone, or in any context, much less a racist one. If someone can be racist against their own race, which I sorta doubt. Let's remember how ridiculous that Dave Chapelle skit was about the black man who was racist against black people.
Again we can look to George Carlin to enlighten us:
Again we can look to George Carlin to enlighten us:
I'm not only talking about rapper, or snoop dog blink blink type of celebrity only.
Sure there are some highly educated and conservative family who still address people with sir / mam, but it's not like that N word is uncommon among themselves.
The choc ice thing would be similar to a northern nationalist calling a southerner a west brit or a gombeen. It's offensive certainly, but it's not racist. The Luis Suarez incident was a lot more serious. Ones racist and ones not, to put it simply. We know what you are Louise, etc etc.
why should implying somebody's Britishness offensive? The very notion is offensive to Brits. But that's ok eh?
It's offensive to imply someone is of a different nationality to the one they actually are. In the same way you would probably be offended if someone called you an Aussie.
Doesn't that falls under ignorance though?
although, we probably tread likely to guess, if asking is not an option. I didn't even know that among Indians some of them might take offence if we called them indian, claiming their punjabi and stuffs.
Just like basque and spanish kinda things.
Don't try to justify what Rio said or did. It was wrong, he should have more sense than to respond to it regardless of whether he agreed or not because it could have been and in some parts was easily misconstrued. Trying to justify it instead of calling Rio silly for doing it just makes you look like RAWK.
But there is no 'britishness' there so all you are doing is telling them they are not who they think they are. I fail to see how it's offensive to brits at all.
I'm not sure what you are implying with the bolded part either.
Everybody knows Rio was basically agreeing with the term 'choc ice' when he laughed and said 'classic'. If he disagreed, he wouldnt have responded like he did. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a touch deluded.
Bloody hell. He still doesn't get it.
Imagine you say something that you might say amongst friends that inadvertently offends someone with a different cultural background. How would any normal person respond in that situation? Would they tell offended party that they're wrong to take offence?
Interesting that the whole "negrito" defence has been blown out of the water.
Imagine you say something that you might say amongst friends that inadvertently offends someone with a different cultural background. How would any normal person respond in that situation? Would they tell offended party that they're wrong to take offence?
Interesting that the whole "negrito" defence has been blown out of the water.
Maybe he is ignorant that the Kickitout campaign that has been going for 20 odd years.
Hard to believe Liverpool don't educate their players on the campaign. Regardless of culture you would have to be pretty stupid to use the negro expression to non-white's and expect them not to be offended. Did Suarez use the term when speaking to Johnson, Sturridge, Sterling & Co at Liverpool?
I have seen many people put in their place when they have used an expression that has offended people from a different culture.
I like how he act like he lives in a vacuum where only his culture exists. I find it hard to imagine as a well heeled player he doesn't know a thing or 2 about foreign cultures. The pervasiveness that epithet means he would have almost certainly heard about it being used in a negative context and yet somehow he still uses it.
I just say what I see, yo.
Shame on Negrito.
There's been more bans in this thread than Suarez has ever received.
The negrito defence was hilarious. It never held any water, and as far as I remember, wasn't even mentioned in the report. It seems to have been invented entirely by Liverpool fans as a pre-emptive defence.