Oh I'm sure it's hard to take for him. That's why I'm feeling a bit bad for him right now. But honestly I'm sure he'll get his chance eslewhere if he is sacked and money always helps, at least a bit.
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Oh I'm sure it's hard to take for him. That's why I'm feeling a bit bad for him right now. But honestly I'm sure he'll get his chance eslewhere if he is sacked and money always helps, at least a bit.
My wording is probably bad I was referring to how shambolic the summer was with Woodward at the helm. How no one figured out he hadn't got a clue on how to conduct transfers for months was mind boggling when any poster on the Caf could have told you we wasted time on Fabregas and missed the boat on Thiago.
Yeah his approach as philosophy is magnificent (I've never cared much for possession based football), but I think it's his methods that can potentially cause problems. But like I stated in a subsequent post, I don't in any way want to dimish his achievements, they are nothing short of astonishing, and he would surely be worth a punt. I just have a bad feeling it could go wrong, for the reasons I've outlined.
What about the ' new ' Klopp at Mainz, Tuchel? Appears to be the next big thing in management according to many.
Done a remarkable job this year. Probably too soon for him though.
Done a remarkable job this year. Probably too soon for him though.
We need to either go after a young manager with vision who can further develop here or van Gaal, there are no alternatives out there. We are not getting Guardiola, Mourinho or Klopp.
I wouldn't be so sure on Klopp, but the other two obviously I agree with. I also don't have a problem with a younger manager, but Simeone is so green he's practically a snooker table.
Klopp ticks all the boxes. We'd play some magnificent football I would imagine.
Considering Moyes' track record with press conferences, I'm worried that he won't have a lot of friends on here after (if) he gets to comment on the sacking.
Please happen! With all the supertalented German players coming through these days we'd become like the anti-arsenal. Embrace the kraut revolution!
Alright, seems like we're on the same page then, I just think that the argument that because he has money it makes failure easy to accept is thrown around too much. He won't have to worry about a roof over his head, and butter for his bread, but that's about the extent it helps in such regards. But failure's an inevitable part of life, and we all have to cope with it, so of course not having those worries as a result of your failure is good. I just don't see a point in beating a man when he's down.
Hopefully he'll get another chance like you say, to prove his worth, like Hodgson has after his misery at Liverpool.
That's fair, the summer was a bit of shocker, that's true. I think they underestimated the impact of both Gill and Fergie stepping down at the same time, and they really put all their eggs in the basket with the label "We'll swap one Scot for another, and everything will go on as usual."
I have had a smile on my face and it has not subsided since I heard the news.
For those who feel sorry for Moyes, all you have to do is read his past quotes and you will feel differently. There is a reason why he lost the dressing room almost instantly.
Giggs and Nicky.
I am looking forward to the last 4 games.
For those who feel sorry for Moyes, all you have to do is read his past quotes and you will feel differently. There is a reason why he lost the dressing room almost instantly.
Giggs and Nicky.
I am looking forward to the last 4 games.
Has won a trophy in both his completed seasons at Atletico and will very likely win one in his third, although this time it will be a major prize if it happens. Granted he didn't have a prior but I won't dismiss his achievements at Atletico, they are nothing short of miracle.
He's good bloke but he's shit at doing his job and I am sure we have all come across people like him at work. If you remove the football aspect of it he's the manager of a business who is missing his SLA. This is point were his superiors call him for a meeting and tell him it's not working out.
He doesn't tick the availability box and won't in a while.
What Neville is saying is right IF Moyes showed that he had us going in the right direction. Had he purchased a deep lying playmaker and a King Winger like Bale then 2-3 years of darkness for us to then have a long standing manager and a proper United team would have been perfect. As it is, we could end up with 2-3 years of darkness and feck all bar £200M of wasted No. 10s.
How do you know that? Because he recently signed a new contract? Means feck all in football these days. He would at least consider it that much I can guarantee. We offer one of the most prestigious clubs in world football with a 200 million budget and a group of already some world-class players, imagine the praise he would receive if he would turn things around for us? Big opportunity for him and he knows it.
Offer klopp 400,000 a week and he will be on the first plane to Manchester.
He just doesn't strike me as the sort of person who'd leave their club just like that knowing he still has the job to do there, he's already turned down numerous clubs and expressed his desire to stay.
The one thing I dread is having a decent end to the season and the "Give Sir Ryan the job!!" nonsense bandwaggon that'll inevitably start to roll
I'd still rather we wait until he has performed miracles at other clubs before we consider him.
To be fair to Moyes he has tried to sign these players, just he failed.
Even if we win all our remaining games 6-0 with us playing like the Brazil team of the 70s, its not going to happen.
I don't care who the manager is as long as he can be a success. If Giggs can provide that, then I would have no problem with him taking over permanently.
This sort of thinking might lead us to missing out on some tremendous managerial talent though. Simeone's next job will most certainly be a big one and he's successful there then we won't get the chance to employ him in a good while or ever.
I'm sure they will have learned from their mistakes and there will be a rigorous application and interview process with two of their most important check boxes being 1) won relevant silverware before and 2) has experience of managing a big club and players. Rightly so too. With hindsight, how Moyes got the job was a farce.
How could he think that Moyes hasn't been given time? As well as having the money to fix any problems that he found...
Yesterday, Moyes couldn't see that Rooney was terrible, or maybe he was too afraid to pull him out of the game. Moyes couldn't shore up the midfield or fix the defense. He couldn't rearrange the players. He couldn't do anything but sit on the sidelines and wring his hangs*. (*he'll also wring his hands)
What values does Gary have? Seems like the values are a batch of entitlements -- GN thinking that ability isn't needed, that talent isn't needed, that just being in the right place at the right time is all that matters or maybe it's all down to who you know.
All this Van Gaal talk is a smokescreen for Mourinho winning the league with Chelsea and climbing on a big horse instead, his 3 year normal tenure takes us right up to the end of Jurgens contract.
It's about the football being played on the pitch though.. it's been awful.. Motivation, leadership, tactics, handling of the media... he just doesn't seem to have the required qualities for a job like this. Nice chap though, but good riddance.
We offer one of the most prestigious clubs in world football with a rumoured 200 million transfer budget and a group of already great players, imagine the praise he would receive if he would turn things around for us? Big opportunity for him and he knows it. Managers are in it for success, praise, recognition and money, we can offer all those things to him. Dortmund are falling behind due to their limitations financially, all his best player leaving to Madrid, England, Bayern most of all, must be frustrating.. Klopp transforms all these kids into world class players and eventually ends up selling him due to all these frustrating restrictions.
We have a good chance of getting him I reckon
If we pursue Klopp with some vigor, we will get him.
No, I have a feeling that Giggsy will have similar ideas to GNev. He will want width so he'll play 4-4-1-1 with Mata in the hole, Rooney as a 9, and Valencia and Young on the wings. Kagawa will be on the bench.The Caf will implode.
Then we miss out on him. There will always be other managers.
Had this been 12 months ago then it would have made more sense. But right now we need a manager who is a proven winner and can revitalise an ailing team. That means consistent experience of managing big teams in big leagues, not one season wonders.
Not Van Gal, he's a fruit loop.
Is it too much to dream that giggs will just be the best manager in the world?
Is it too much to dream that giggs will just be the best manager in the world?
"one-year pay off", is interesting.
I didn't accuse you of using insults but your posting style is insulting and condescending, it's improved somewhat over a few humblings however and yes I like to call a spade a spade and just insult you directly
It's got nothing to do with a few humblings. That in itself is condescending on your part, I posted with respect to most and continue to do so however when others direct me with disrespect and insults then I too returned them and continue to do so.
If you want respect then you too must give it.
Not sure what you mean here, do you want me to post 3 or 4 incorrect statements regarding Moyes? If so, I will do it tomorrow, I'm off in a minute.
They gave him every possible chance and that's their method. He went 7 games unbeaten before losing to Everton and Newcastle in December before winning another 4 games and then 1st of January things started to get worse. But just prior to the opening of the Jan window they might very well have sanctioned the Mata transfer as it was getting close, and they had good reason to as we had lost 2 in 13 showing we were improving.
They were willing to trust him and gave him what they considered a fair chance. They are playing the long game, they want United to be successful but in the short term they were willing to take a calculated risk. I don't think there is anything wrong with their mentality of affording the manager a fair chance, I think allowing Mata to sign was the right thing due to what appeared to be an improvement in results prior to January 1st. I think in the long run United will be successful therefore everything they have done, including what has been dubbed the failed david moyes experiment, has been done with the long term in mind tolerating short term sacrifice.
Financially they will recover. Lack of champions league football (one could argue) will give us greater focus on the league, although I want Europa to keep the big squad happy however I think we should play mostly our second string to keep the main eleven fresh for the league.
If we sign Louis van Gaal or whoever else, he will get time and I think we could mount a serious title challenge next season. The problem with van Gaal is the timing as he has a busy and tiring summer planned.
I'm sure Moyes is a perfectly nice guy, but he needs to go, and I'll be happy he's gone.
This was always a risky hiring. He'd never managed at this level, and we need someone with experience at the very top level. He just wasn't right in the first place.
The new manager needs a full pre-season.
This was always a risky hiring. He'd never managed at this level, and we need someone with experience at the very top level. He just wasn't right in the first place.
The new manager needs a full pre-season.
I would of thought the answer to that would be obvious
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