In reckon Newcastle may well sack Pardew and Moyes would do a good job there, IMO.
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
- Thread starter Baxter
- Start date
- Status
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...-moyes-man-utd-should-take-different-approach
Gary Neville: Moyes should be given more time
Am I still asleep? Or has Gary Neville officially just become a twat
Gary Neville: Moyes should be given more time
Am I still asleep? Or has Gary Neville officially just become a twat
He's trying to keep his brother in his job. It's understandable surely?
Resorting to insults are we now?
That's fine, it's your opinion. You asked for mine and I gave it.
I agree, I've seen plenty of his interviews and I'm quite sure he'll be very, very difficult to persuade to leave Dortmund. Even though he must be a bit frustrated losing plenty of his best players over the past few years.
Pity, because this could be another possible game-changing situation like Oliver Kahn could have been years back. At the time, I think he was the best keeper in the world, but he wasn't too happy in Germany, getting golfballs and bananas tossed at him wherever he played. Unluckily we didn't approach him and we had quite a rough time (for me that was the time between Schmeichel and van der Sar) finding a great keeper.
Maybe now we need to really get our teeth stuck into Klopp and we shouldn't accept a No. Maybe he could be a game-changer just at the right time...
Has to tow the line with his links at the club and his own brother probably about to lose his job. I imagine once it's done he won't say it was a bad decision.
Lots on here cant differentiate between debating a point or supporting someone. Its sort of like G W Bush with "you are either with us or against us". I have seen a few posters get attacked because the reader didnt read the message but read what the voices in their head interpeted the message to be.
Today was the first time Neville made me very angry and I agreed with Carragher. I can't believe Neville went so far to defend Moyes. 
He kept going on and on about the United way. Well, the United way isn't to finish 7th in the league.
He kept going on and on about the United way. Well, the United way isn't to finish 7th in the league.Does Gary Neville having the opinion of thinking that Moyes deserves more time make him a Twat?
Of course, Dortmund will try defending themselves as far as they can. Still, it doesn't mean there's no way we can land him. The thing that will matter will be the first offer United might make: if the first offer is already solid and substantially high, then you can bet talks will get serious.
Please go all out with the offer, Woody. *touches wood, crosses fingers*
I'd like us to have a go but if we don't take a no then we might just alienate from considering the job in the future, and we'd paint ourselves in a bad light. Maybe worth some sort of approach in case, but I'm doubtful.
Apparently or at least the papers have been reporting that they met with Louis van Gaal's representatives and Jurgen Klopp's representatives. The job appears to be Jurgen Klopp's to refuse.
I would like us to atleast attempt to speak to Klopp. Rather try than not try.
Scintillating, seismic news. I am celebrating Moyes' dismissal as fervently as Liverpool fans will be celebrating their title triumph in a few weeks.
Hopefully we'll all try to forget Moyes' reign of failure.
Hopefully we'll all try to forget Moyes' reign of failure.
He has turned down clubs before though, he seems to genuinely love Dortmund, which is refreshing in itself.
"There were some England clubs that called and wanted to speak with me. But there was no reason to talk. I'm sure you could earn much more money at an English club, or at a Chinese or Russian club. But it's not the most important thing. In life you have to be at the right place at the right moment. I am in Dortmund with all I have. Definitely for the next couple of years."
Is a quote of his, there are others too where he says that contracts mean a lot to him.
I think Gary Neville honestly believes that there's something wrong with the game today, and that manager's should be given a proper chance to prove their worth, and that his definition of a proper chance differs from most everybody else's. I also believe it has less to do with his brother possibly facing the sack.
He's one of Fergie's most ardent pupils, and the values Fergie have instilled will be with him. Nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned, and it's admirable to stick to his opinion against everyone else. But at the end of the day, it's impossible to raise a reasonable defense for Moyes at this point, so he comes across as misguided to most.
Best not to comment unless it's official.
Seriously, Gary should keep his mouth shut on this rather than embarrassing furthermore himself with this case. Sometimes, it's better not saying anything.
Getting Klopp from Dortmund would be more about meeting Dortmund's valuation than convincing him. I'm sure he'd love to be at a club where he won't lose his best players every season and can invest into strengthening the side instead. Have to think United have some idea of who will be the new manager I doubt they sack Moyes without a plan but then again they went into last summer without one.
Spineless really
I agree with pretty much everything Gary said. I don't like to see the club have to sack a manager 10 months into his first contract, and he criticized his tactics again, he just doesn't want to flat out admit that Moyes isn't going to turn this around. Doesn't talk about the dressing room either, or player issues, but that's not his job, he's just a pundit like the rest of him. He keeps his cards to his chest.
According to Andy Mitten on newstalk tonight he interviewed Woodward during the year and woodward described klopp as a genius.
I agree, they definitely have their options lined out in order of preference. But what do you mean they didn't last summer? They gave Moyes full control, and hoped they could leave it at that and it would all work out wonderfully, like it did when they had Fergie in his place.
I feel a bit bad for him tbh. But his sacking would be the best for the club. His pay out will lower his pain as well I'd imagine.
Please be true. I really wanted Moyes to succeed, but anyone can see that he's not Man Utd material. Best of luck with your career Dave, hope he can pick things up and deliver at a mid-sized club.
Woodward is an admirer, considers him a 'genius' or so he told Andy Mitten. If his representatives were willing to meet with United then we would have done so, I think it's his job to refuse. He probably will refuse it though unless there is a United project that's more enticing for him than the Dortmund project.
Klopp said no to Chelsea and City I think last season however things have changed. He has struggled with the injuries, also, losing Lewandowski to Bayern will be a blow. If United were willing to give him a war chest then he could sign Hummels, Gundogan, Bender and Reus should Dortmund be willing to part company, and they probably would at the right price because they seem to be a selling club.
The question is how long can he maintain that love of Dortmund when the board allows Bayern to keep on stripping BvB bare. He's facing a major problem of his own with the Bundesliga as well as he may be about to face a situation where he will have to make the decision of a lifetime. If Woodward can play on the right strings about the Bundesliga situation and the prospect of almost never losing players for money at United, anything's possible including taking his own boys from Westphalia with him.
I like his style and he's taken a team with no world stars to the top of la liga above Barca and real. A recent comment '
“I like football that has substance, not teams that have never-ending possession with people asking, ‘when is this attack going to end?’” he said.
“We want to be a nuisance for other sides, unbearable to play against.'
I think this is the passion we are missing. Agree it would be a gamble but Klopp coming from German football would be equally (he'd be my 2nd choice though)
Why did they go for Villas Boas then?
I'm sure the failure will be as hard to take for him as for anyone who's ever had to accept it. Money doesn't change that much, even though it's easy for us ordinary Joes to sit here and think that he has nothing to worry about because of his bank account.
I think it's a bit ridiculous for people to claim Gary's stance has anything to do with his brother's position at the club. Phil is a multi millionaire so it's hardly like he'll struggle if a new manager wants his own staff in and Gary has championed that style of ownership in many other instances outside of Moyes.
I can't imagine he'll look back on this season and see it as anything other than miserable in the coming weeks, months, years. He's taken a lot of stick from every angle and been under enormous pressure. In the long scheme of things, it is surely a relief for him. He was always out of his depth.
We just need Shinji to text Klopp and tell him how great it is here and how much he enjoys it.
Where's the insult this time round? Your last posts to or about me:
And I was the one accused of being condescending and using insults.
Anyway to your point, after all of those discussions where I merely defended a few positives of Moyes' regime, not Moyes himself, you think I was in support for Moyes himself?
When people criticise the few things he has done well then I will say what I think, for example, you stated he has Mata on the white lines but I stated Mata has freedom to roam! When people say these things then I will show them evidence (in this case video) to the contrary because it's unfair to make up lies, as you have done not just against him, but also against me with my supposed 'trump card' when you were talking about me disrespectfully in the newbie poster thread. Honesty is one thing but making things up to prove a point and paint somebody in a bad light isn't the way things should be done.
When asked about my opinion I stated I back the board's decision because they are best placed to get it right, I also made clear he has severely under performed however they will assess his risk factor and whether he can achieve the objectives next season. They have done so and they have explored their options, they now are ready to act (or so it seems). I said all along I back the board's decision and I am not changing my stance on that.
You made statements that were flawed and I pointed those out. They were in relation to Moyes, I was not a Moyes supporter because I have done the exact same thing to his supporters who have refused to acknowledge his errors (e.g. those who think last summer was not a bad transfer window!). This is because I try to look at the situation from reality instead of making things up. And the reality is that I've backed the board from the start and will continue to do so.
Another example, I defended Fellaini when somebody called him a league two footballer at best even though he isn't a player I have been impressed by.
I didn't accuse you of using insults but your posting style is insulting and condescending, it's improved somewhat over a few humblings however and yes I like to call a spade a spade and just insult you directly
there was actually a smattering of kindness in those insults mind you.However off you pop to multi quote my flawed statements regarding Moyes, considering I was still hanging on to hope of him turning this round until very recently although he lost me mostly around the City Liverpool doubles.
It would seem the board are about to finally get this right but there is also argument that leaving it this late in the day to save a few quid on severance has ultimately cost us in the long run.
He's signed a contract until 2018 and he's extremely loyal, we won't lure him this year. If he were allowed to build a team there and knew he was leaving it to a competent manager who can follow him then we might sniff a chance - he won't leave Dortmund and take all their best players just like that because he smells money elsewhere though, it's not Klopp's style and I wouldn't even want him to do that even if it meant having him at United.
Yeah I know. I can imagine him giving Klopp a great offer, one that transcends personal finances.
Sorry but not for me. He needs to prove himself over a longer period before I'd even consider him. Appointing a potentially "flash in the pan" manager after the season we've just had would be borderline reckless.
In five or ten years? Maybe. Right now? No way.
I don't feel that bad for him. I feel sorry for him because he didn't ask for this. He was given an offer he couldn't refuse and was out of his depth from day one but I think he will be quite happy to be relieved if his duties. Pressure off, go on holiday and relax.
- Status