City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

You have to wonder if this is them going down swinging. You would think if they were on track to get away with the charges relatively free they wouldn’t be kicking up a stink.
 
Castia said:
You have to wonder if this is them going down swinging. You would think if they were on track to get away with the charges relatively free they wouldn’t be kicking up a stink.
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It's called the go down fighting.
 
Spark said:
All clubs contribute 5%, including City, to the Prem’s legal fees.

I think it’s City’s plan to be litigious as feck. There’s no limit on what they can spend on lawyers (as far as I’m aware) and their owners are literally the UAE state, so they can do this continuously theoretically.
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I understood this process (arbitration) as a set period to make your points, a decision made and no appeals? No?
 
What is this cartel City and Newcastle fans are all crying about and how are they able to decide the Premier League rules when all Premier League rule changes require the agreement of 14 out of the 20 member clubs, if this so-called cartel exists and has the power Newcastle and City fans claim they have why would they have allowed to Newcastle Saudi takeover to go through in the first place?

Also claiming City winning will instantly make the league more competitive is ridiculous

 
OldSchoolManc said:
So City feel ‘Historically disadvantaged’ by other clubs?
I feel historically disadvantaged by the royal family and the rich in general.
Can I sue them?

Can I *!

Their argument is bollox
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I love how their argument is that they’ve been disadvantaged right on the tail end of a treble and 4 leagues in a row
 
You can be sure they’ll try to drag the whole thing down with them if they’re found guilty of the charges. They’ll probably dig up dirt on other clubs or at least try.
 
I really hope that Lord Guardiola's reputation finally starts to go down the shitter after all this.

He's a slimy, corrupt and scheming little prick. As soon as I saw him dancing around with glee after UEFALona robbed Chelsea of their place in the '09 CL final I knew there was something really off about him, and I've hated watching his "success" ever since. The endless media love-in for him has made it even worse.

He just wants to win at any cost and doesn't care if he does it illegally. There's no way he "didn't know" about any of this stuff. He's just as involved as what the owners are.
 
Well it's about 15 years too late but it feels like the tide has officially turned and the mainstream media and opposition fans in general have realised how damaging to English football City are.

It only took them winning 8 fecking titles in 12 years for people to realise this. Them going after the PL seems like the actions of a club panicking about the charges they've got. Have they heard they're fecked?
 
RedRocket9908 said:
What is this cartel City and Newcastle fans are all crying about and how are they able to decide the Premier League rules when all Premier League rule changes require the agreement of 14 out of the 20 member clubs, if this so-called cartel exists and has the power Newcastle and City fans claim they have why would they have allowed to Newcastle Saudi takeover to go through in the first place?

Also claiming City winning will instantly make the league more competitive is ridiculous

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"The cartel" is just the same buzz word shite you see in American politics. The elite, deep state, the swamp etc.

It's just some nameless antagonist they can blame because they can't accept they're not really supporting a regular football club.
 
Unfortunately, I wouldn't say this is a case of City going down swinging, but just a diversion tactic. Even for a slam dunk case like this, it will cost tens of millions and hours of man power.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Well it's about 15 years too late but it feels like the tide has officially turned and the mainstream media and opposition fans in general have realised how damaging to English football City are.

It only took them winning 8 fecking titles in 12 years for people to realise this. Them going after the PL seems like the actions of a club panicking about the charges they've got. Have they heard they're fecked?
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Makes me wonder why this complete shitshow was even approved in the first place. Surely anyone with a brain could see that this was going to happen?

I've heard a theory that part of the reason that they approved the Sheikh's ownership in 2008 was because we were dominating the league at the time, and the powers that be weren't bothered if City evolved into a powerhouse as that would upset United's dominance, which was something they really wanted to see happen anyway.

Obviously just a theory but pretty pathetic if true - the league is now well and truly fecked just so that the powers that be could stop us winning.
 
the_cliff said:
Wild. People don't understand the significance of this if they win this.
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If they win that's it for the Premier League, surprise surprise the other two oil magnates are backing them. Just praying they don't get too many teams buying into their victims story. Really hope Utd aren't dumb enough to feel sorry for them, my support for the club will be over if that was ever the case.
 
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Suddenly I see a lot of twitter handles supporting City pop up on my feed. Oddly a lot of them are supposedly Everton fans. Probably a marketing ploy from Abu Dabi to whip up some momentum.
 
Spark said:
Or they have gathered the best lawyers money can buy and think they have a chance. Litigation like this will be astronomically expensive - one way of doping is that City can afford to do this ad infinitum, so lose this and it’s not the end. Win this and it basically is.

This is grim.
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They win then may as well bring back the European Super League, just ensure these cheating feckers aren't allowed to participate
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Suddenly I see a lot of twitter handles supporting City pop up on my feed. Oddly a lot of them are supposedly Everton fans. Probably a marketing ploy from Abu Dabi to whip up some momentum.
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Well they can get knotted too then, same with Forest who will probably stand alongside them
 
It's not really being dramatic to say that its a pivotal period in time for English football. Whichever way this goes, will have drastic and massively altering repercussions.
 
Judas said:
It's not really being dramatic to say that its a pivotal period in time for English football. Whichever way this goes, will have drastic and massively altering repercussions.
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I still fear they will win and end the Premier League as a competitive one. The reputation of it won't just be tarnished but destroyed which will be very sad
 
Do people really believe EPL will sabotage itself and relegate the best EPL team in history and the best in the world at the moment?
 
RedRocket9908 said:
What is this cartel City and Newcastle fans are all crying about and how are they able to decide the Premier League rules when all Premier League rule changes require the agreement of 14 out of the 20 member clubs, if this so-called cartel exists and has the power Newcastle and City fans claim they have why would they have allowed to Newcastle Saudi takeover to go through in the first place?

Also claiming City winning will instantly make the league more competitive is ridiculous

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Even more ridiculous when Chelsea have a tonne of 80-100m players already.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
I understood this process (arbitration) as a set period to make your points, a decision made and no appeals? No?
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Yeah that’s correct, but nothing stopping them from suing in other areas (I think?). As the Sheik said a few years ago, he’s happy to tie the Premier League up in court cases for as long as possible.

Any sanction on City will be met with significant legal challenge, just as Everton appealed its point deduction.

City have unlimited resources effectively, there’s no FFP on lawyers (as far as I’m aware).
 
croadyman said:
I still fear they will win and end the Premier League as a competitive one. The reputation of it won't just be tarnished but destroyed which will be very sad
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I think it's one of those where people don't realize how badly damaged it already is, and you need it to completely come off it's wheels in order for people to actually do something.
The Premier League was sent down a slippery road years and years ago. There were early warning signs, followed by Abramovich, followed by even someone like Thaksin being allowed to purchase a club. Fit and proper tests, good one. The only reason the Saudis bid to buy Newcastle got blocked was because of illegal streaming, which quickly got sorted. I mean, there's been warning signs in relation to what might come for fecking ages now, yet they've happily continued down the same path. Looking at the stuff levelled at Manchester City, even Leicester, and the implications in regards to the titles and complete domination of the competition, the overall effects, the lack of focus by the press on "115" it's essentially required Manchester City to declare war on the league for the journalists to wake up.

Funny thing is that the bskyb takeover of Manchester United was blocked in 98/99 because of the overall implications it would have on the sport/league/fans/whatnot.

Let the entire thing crash and burn, maybe people for once will view Manchester City and the rest for what they truly are.
 
Spark said:
Yeah that’s correct, but nothing stopping them from suing in other areas (I think?). As the Sheik said a few years ago, he’s happy to tie the Premier League up in court cases for as long as possible.

Any sanction on City will be met with significant legal challenge, just as Everton appealed its point deduction.

City have unlimited resources effectively, there’s no FFP on lawyers (as far as I’m aware).
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I think it actually should count towards FFP, one of the other club owners made a comment on this from memory.
 
Spark said:
Yeah that’s correct, but nothing stopping them from suing in other areas (I think?). As the Sheik said a few years ago, he’s happy to tie the Premier League up in court cases for as long as possible.

Any sanction on City will be met with significant legal challenge, just as Everton appealed its point deduction.

City have unlimited resources effectively, there’s no FFP on lawyers (as far as I’m aware).
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Yes I’m sure they will tie up the PL for years in courts with appeals, but they can do that for as long as they like whilst they aren’t playing in it.
Everton had the points deduction applied to them whilst appealing it wasn’t put on hold during that process. Precedent has been set there.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I think it actually should count towards FFP, one of the other club owners made a comment on this from memory.
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If you lose a case the expenditure/full costs should definitely count towards FFP. Not sure it does though?

The Purley King said:
Yes I’m sure they will tie up the PL for years in courts with appeals, but they can do that for as long as they like whilst they aren’t playing in it.
Everton had the points deduction applied to them whilst appealing it wasn’t put on hold during that process. Precedent has been set there.
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Very true, hope that’s what happens.
 
Spark said:
All clubs contribute 5%, including City, to the Prem’s legal fees.

I think it’s City’s plan to be litigious as feck. There’s no limit on what they can spend on lawyers (as far as I’m aware) and their owners are literally the UAE state, so they can do this continuously theoretically.
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Might have been an idea to place it in the rules that clubs legal fees come from their own profits and if they need help beyond that they can ask the PL for help.
 
Spark said:
If you lose a case the expenditure/full costs should definitely count towards FFP. Not sure it does though?



Very true, hope that’s what happens.
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They might have to pay the PL’s costs if they lose as well.
 
It’s embarrassing the amount of people without the mental capacity to understand why it’s essential sports have a relative playing field for all participants.
 
Spark said:
Yeah that’s correct, but nothing stopping them from suing in other areas (I think?). As the Sheik said a few years ago, he’s happy to tie the Premier League up in court cases for as long as possible.

Any sanction on City will be met with significant legal challenge, just as Everton appealed its point deduction.

City have unlimited resources effectively, there’s no FFP on lawyers (as far as I’m aware).
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Not sure about the appeal in this situation.

https://Twitter.com/slbsn/status/1798012690725523836?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA
 
I'm playing dumb here, because I don't honestly know the time line.
If this rule was in force when City were initially promoted, wasn't that the time to complain about it?

or

If this rule was brought in after City were promoted, wasn't the time to complain about it was when it was proposed.

The same goes for the other clubs, like Villa and Newcastle, they sat in the meeting that accepted this rule.
 
The scariest part is that while they are corrupt, they are also very efficient at all the other things as an organization. I fully expect them to trump the PL in the legal battle.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
The scariest part is that while they are corrupt, they are also very efficient at all the other things as an organization. I fully expect them to trump the PL in the legal battle.
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Brown envelopes go a long way too. They're definitely winning this, and it's downhill from there for everyone else except them and Newcastle (maybe Chelsea too). Hard to see why anyone else is siding with them. Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind.
 
As long as a majority that includes United, Liverpool and Arsenal (or the established elite as that slimy pr@ck calls them) are together, City stands to lose from this regardless of the legal fallout. Fan power is what's going to burn them. The indignation will be to much to bear on the sporting side of things.
 
It's a clusterfeck. Why allow states buy clubs in the first place?
 
Matt Varnish said:
I'm playing dumb here, because I don't honestly know the time line.
If this rule was in force when City were initially promoted, wasn't that the time to complain about it?

or

If this rule was brought in after City were promoted, wasn't the time to complain about it was when it was proposed.

The same goes for the other clubs, like Villa and Newcastle, they sat in the meeting that accepted this rule.
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The rule was brought in after the Newcastle takeover (rightly so). I can’t remember which way City voted, but they have obviously decided it doesn’t work for them and are challenging the nature and integrity of the system.

I imagine at the time they were content because they were winning and there would be less competition from Newcastle. Now they have some positions to fill and strengthening to do and probably want the very best available asap. They want to dominate the league, and to do so they have to maintain the levels they have now which takes money.

There’s also the added distraction to the premier league from the 115 case, which clearly plays a major part. The bubble could well burst after the result of that case and they will do everything they can to stop it.

Also, they have clearly realised that even winning a treble and four in a row they are still nowhere near as relevant as they thought they would be. Everyone admires the football and the achievement but still no one really cares about City in general. It probably gets under their skin a bit.

They will never be idolised for lifting a CL in the way Real Madrid are and the only way they ever will is if they keep winning and winning, which is only possible by being the most attractive club on a long-term basis which is where the dollar comes in.

Finally, they want to destroy the premier league ‘cartel’ by simply creating another one, that comes from money and power rather than accolades and prestige. Essentially they have gone nuclear.
 
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