City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

Catt said:
Listening to Kieran Maguire on Norwegian tv, he very much doubt City will be expelled, but rather financial punishment or points deduction the most likely outcome
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If City are found guilty on more than a few minor things (of the 115) - there is no way they can avoid being expelled - or face a point deduction so huge that being expelled is almost impossible. Almost every of the 115 points they are being charged with are a lot more serious than what Everton and Forest did. And even worse - what Forest and Everton did wasn't illegal from a judicial point of view - it was just against the rules of the Premier League. Quite a few of the things City are charged with would be illegal if a normal company did it - from a judicial point of view.

Beside most experts agree that a financial punishment would be useless
 
OldSchoolManc said:
What? Why? The PL is acting?
Do you like to have pain inflicted?
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I think the punishment will be so insignificant that I prefer ridiculous chaos.

Pain inflicted? My club could be champions (twice) if it weren't for these cheats. What's more painful than losing like that?

I'm kinda in feck it mode.
 
maniak said:
Part of me hopes they get zero punishment. Surely that would force other clubs to do something. Boycott their matches, play kids and reserves against them, let them go unbeaten for a couple of years. Make it so ridiculously painful to watch the PL is forced to act.
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Not sure why people keep pinning hopes on other clubs?

Noone will give a feck. For all we know City can hand out brown envelops to a lot of clubs to ensure that.
 
2 man midfield said:
people moan that nobody in the media is willing to discuss the 115 charges, and when they do they get shit on.

Could it not be that until we know the outcome, there isn’t really much to discuss?
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Exactly, rendering it pointless.

I think everyone understands why it's not in the media.
 
ArtetasHair said:
Not sure why people keep pinning hopes on other clubs?

Noone will give a feck. For all we know City can hand out brown envelops to a lot of clubs to ensure that.
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Arsenak doesn't give a feck that we lost 2 league titles in a row?
 
maniak said:
Arsenak doesn't give a feck that we lost 2 league titles in a row?
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Ofcourse we do but upto a point. I mean most of the league has been totally comatose during the last 14 years and since Newcastle's take over other than non committed noises time to time. If the clubs wanted they'd stopped this years back. If a club is making an owner money, in a decent position financially they don't care. Look at the Kroenke's. They were perfectly happily us being shafted by City as long as we got top 4. Infact we gave City our players to help them along the way. Or don't you think they knew at the time City were a fraud? Ofcourse they did. The reason in our sudden improvement is Arteta and Josh Kroenke who woke up from a slumber.

Btw my tone sounds too aggressive but its not I promise :lol:

I just feel if City don't get punished it'd be business like normal.
 
Pep yattering on about their rivals … he mentioned that relegation would not be enough for some the oppo clubs who want them ‘wiped off the face of the earth’. This violin could be played by an ant. But what a sad and sentimental melody. Original, too.

Now cast your mind back to 1986 Pep. That year city were relegated, too. It was the same year that a chap called Arif Al Sheikh Abdullah Al Hassan Sahab penned the lyrics for the UAE anthem, Ishy Bilady. It is all about devotion to the country.

‘We have sworn to build and work –
Work earnestly, work earnestly.
We will be sincere’
 
Tincanalley said:
Pep yattering on about their rivals … he mentioned that relegation would not be enough for some the oppo clubs who want them ‘wiped off the face of the earth’. This violin could be played by an ant. But what a sad and sentimental melody. Original, too.
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I think it's one of two things with him. Either Abu Dhabi has got him by the balls somehow, and they're making him defend both them and the club. Or, he knows full well that they are corrupt as feck, but he just doesn't care and is happy to lie about it so long as he gets what he wants.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
I think it's one of two things with him. Either Abu Dhabi has got him by the balls somehow, and they're making him defend both them and the club. Or, he knows full well that they are corrupt as feck, but he just doesn't care and is happy to lie about it so long as he gets what he wants.
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He's just worried about his legacy. If City get the punishment they should then the last decade or so of his career has been a bit of a sham since it was all built upon and maintained by cheating.
 
Loon said:
Guardiola’s butt-hurt is quite something to behold.
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Just read his comments on the BBC page. What a salty, sad little man. Of course other clubs want you wiped off the face of the earth. They don't like losing out on trophies and CL places due to cheaters, funnily enough.
 
Loon said:
Guardiola’s butt-hurt is quite something to behold.
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Between the Premier League's investigation into City's finances and the ongoing investigation into Barsa paying the head of the Spanish refs during his time there, I must say I understand he must be feeling pretty cornered. Hell of a manager and football mind, no doubt, but the people around him took rule bending to the limit. And went over it sometimes.
 
lysglimt said:
Nah - because this is going back so far back, I doubt any of the current players are involved. I don't think City is doing anything highly questionable today - but they cheated to get to a position where they didnt have to cheat anymore.
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Yeah, this is the main thing. They're now in a position to find clever and (somehow!?) legal loopholes around rules. But they cheated in order to get to that position as quickly as possible.

But I think that's also what's probably going to help them get away with any of the stronger punishments, as it's all dealing with stuff from a good number of years ago. I'm sure their ruthless and expensive lawyers will be able to find enough legal loopholes around much of it again. And, once again, all that they'll be able to be found guilty of will probably only surmount to pointless fines or, at worst, a points deduction for one season (probably much of it suspended).

Just can't see them being able to legally prove the past cheating and be able to enforce demotion, stripped titles, etc.
 
RoyH1 said:
Between the Premier League's investigation into City's finances and the ongoing investigation into Barsa paying the head of the Spanish refs during his time there, I must say I understand he must be feeling pretty cornered. Hell of a manager and football mind, no doubt, but the people around him took rule bending to the limit. And went over it sometimes.
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The players are also in a sad situation, losing their titles. I understand what he means, they won the matches, and I understand when people say they had an unfair advantage.

Someone is going to come out a bit screwed
 
Pexbo said:
Did that happen in Serie A?

I think people overestimate the action clubs will take. For whatever reason football is quite a simple industry and clubs and chairmen only really look forward. It’s not particularly litigious. My theory on that is that the competitive nature of the sport leads to an attitude that that sort of action would be seen as small time and sour grapes. “Oh we should have won in 2018 instead so I’m suing you” would be the topic of ridicule in clubs and stadiums across the country.


Imagine United seeking financial reparations, claiming if it wasn’t for City, our shitshow of a decade would have been quite successful?
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Exactly. Seeing clubs suing them for the trophies they missed out on seems a little far-fetched for me.

I remember when the goal line technology wasn't working correctly in a Villa game during lockdown, and the point they earned from that game was the difference between them staying up and getting relegated. There were a few rumblings of the relegated club considering legal action because of this, and it was laughed off by pretty much everyone. Football isn't a litigious industry.
 
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Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Exactly. Seeing clubs suing them for the trophies they missed out on seems a little far-fetched for me.

I remember when the goal line technology wasn't working correctly in a Villa game during lockdown, and the point they earned from that game was the difference between them staying up and getting relegated. There were a few rumblings of the relegated club considering legal action because of this, and it was laughed off by pretty much everyone. Football isn't a litigious industry.
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do you determine who would have gotten the trophy?

Who came second?

Do we remove all City games?

What about injuries in those City games?

Etc etc.
 
RoyH1 said:
Between the Premier League's investigation into City's finances and the ongoing investigation into Barsa paying the head of the Spanish refs during his time there, I must say I understand he must be feeling pretty cornered. Hell of a manager and football mind, no doubt, but the people around him took rule bending to the limit. And went over it sometimes.
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Doping as a player too. Controversy follows him around like a bad smell. If found guilty of both the Barca and City case it will definitely tarnish his legacy.
 
Hammondo said:
How

do you determine who would have gotten the trophy?

Who came second?

Do we remove all City games?

What about injuries in those City games?

Etc etc.
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Yep. Just look up the 2004-05 Serie A champions in the history books: Not awarded. Simple as that really.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Yep. Just look up the 2004-05 Serie A champions in the history books: Not awarded. Simple as that really.
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I think that's the only way. I will feel sorry for some of their players, they have been very good.

Unless you could take them from the club but not the players.
 
Hammondo said:
I think that's the only way. I will feel sorry for some of their players, they have been very good.

Unless you could take them from the club but not the players.
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Perhaps you have more compassion than me but I couldn't give a shit about the player's feelings. Very little sympathy for someone who signs for a state-owned club that they'd never even heard of a decade ago.
 
Hammondo said:
The players are also in a sad situation, losing their titles. I understand what he means, they won the matches, and I understand when people say they had an unfair advantage.

Someone is going to come out a bit screwed
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I have no sympathy for their players whatsoever. They knew perfectly well what they signed up for. Many of them received lots and lots of money via very dubious sources. I hope they get stripped of the titles they cheated their way to. Players like that have nobody but themselves to blame.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Perhaps you have more compassion than me but I couldn't give a shit about the player's feelings. Very little sympathy for someone who signs for a state-owned club that they'd never even heard of a decade ago.
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True, but not every possible reason for joining City is bad, or bad enough to be hated.

Though there is a question of how much do the players and pep know? It's possible they knew things are super dodgy, but also possible not.
 
Hammondo said:
True, but not every possible reason for joining City is bad, or bad enough to be hated.

Though there is a question of how much do the players and pep know? It's possible they knew things are super dodgy, but also possible not.
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Most of the stuff we’re talking about is merely a click away. They can’t claim ignorance when the proof is visible to anyone who cares to read it. They ignored it, out of greed. So they deserve to be hit by the consequences.
 
HTG said:
I have no sympathy for their players whatsoever. They knew perfectly well what they signed up for. Many of them received lots and lots of money via very dubious sources. I hope they get stripped of the titles they cheated their way to. Players like that have nobody but themselves to blame.
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Yep feck that. Any player signing for them knew they’d benefit from an unrealistically assembled group of players and but the trade-off is everything you win may be taken away from you because those players were brought to the club on the foundations of fraudulent activity.
 
Red4ever27 said:
Doping as a player too. Controversy follows him around like a bad smell. If found guilty of both the Barca and City case it will definitely tarnish his legacy.
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True, he got a ban for nandrolone use when he played at Brescia. But as far as I can remember he was cleared of the charges some years later.
 
Hammondo said:
I think that's the only way. I will feel sorry for some of their players, they have been very good.

Unless you could take them from the club but not the players.
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No sympathy. The players knew very well what they signed up for
 
Hammondo said:
If you're sure...
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You act like the information that is the basis for all our discussions is somehow not available to them. It is. They know. If they didn’t, they are truly dense and ignorant people. There’s no excuse for them.
 
HTG said:
You act like the information that is the basis for all our discussions is somehow not available to them. It is. They know. If they didn’t, they are truly dense and ignorant people. There’s no excuse for them.
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But that is kinda the problem, there is next to no information. There are no details shared around here, there are very few facts, just a lot of assumptions on things. A lot of fairly safe assumption, and I am sure most are right, but right now no one here knows much.
 
It genuinely is mind blowing how many clubs, players and managers were affected by City cheating.

Players and managers who were at clubs that came 2nd to City, have had their legacies tarnished. What would a PL title done for Ole, or where would Jose be now if he won the title with us.

They’ve genuinely rewritten the history books.
 
Redivy said:
It genuinely is mind blowing how many clubs, players and managers were affected by City cheating.

Players and managers who were at clubs that came 2nd to City, have had their legacies tarnished. What would a PL title done for Ole, or where would Jose be now if he won the title with us.

They’ve genuinely rewritten the history books.
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Also consequences for clubs facing relegation
 
maniak said:
Part of me hopes they get zero punishment. Surely that would force other clubs to do something. Boycott their matches, play kids and reserves against them, let them go unbeaten for a couple of years. Make it so ridiculously painful to watch the PL is forced to act.
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Nah if they get zero punishment, that’s a sign for all the clubs to bend the rules and beat them at their own game
 
Catt said:
Unless players lived under a rock (from 2018, at least) they'd know they were signing for a club most likely doing shady business
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Yea I agree, but who knows what the club is saying to the players, could be a lot of lies.
 
Could not wait 10s to cheat, City are truely elite
 
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