City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

RedRocket9908 said:
Players already plotting their backdoor escape

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If that blessed day came to be, who do we think would escape the sinking ship ? Ederson, B. Silva, KdB, Rodri for sure. Then maybe loan out Dias. Would be curious to see how Haaland escapes it with maybe only Barca and Bayern able to take him on.
 
caid said:
That wasn't Premier League led. Abromovich's assets were seized by western governments because of the Ukraine War. They're not that comparable.
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Yeah, you're right. But still something similar should be done of some sort. They will just find ways to bend the rules and political pressure will always be in the air with that lot.

I could be supporting Boston United for all I care, I am never going to be amazed by them winning any title.
 
Berbaclass said:
They are guilty of the 'failure to comply' ones at the very minimum. There will be a points deduction for those alone.
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Exactly, there are 35 charges of failing to comply. They might be able to weasel their way out of a lot of the other charges through their corrupt ways but surely, SURELY not out of failing to comply. I mean if you're 100% sure you're innocent why fail to comply anyway? The whole thing stinks and hopefully justice will be served.

What worries me is the UK governments involvement in all of this, we already know of one meeting between them and Abu Dhabi officials where the minutes were not revealed. Who knows what's going on and being pulled behind the scenes.
 
Red4ever27 said:
Exactly, there are 35 charges of failing to comply. They might be able to weasel their way out of a lot of the other charges through their corrupt ways but surely, SURELY not out of failing to comply. I mean if you're 100% sure you're innocent why fail to comply anyway? The whole thing stinks and hopefully justice will be served.

What worries me is the UK governments involvement in all of this, we already know of one meeting between them and Abu Dhabi officials where the minutes were not revealed. Who knows what's going on and being pulled behind the scenes.
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Nothing because that would be incredibly stupid by them.

It wouldn't make sense to let it get to this stage if they were going to cut some kind of deal behind closed doors. It would just get swept under the carpet long ago.
 
Berbaclass said:
Nothing because that would be incredibly stupid by them.

It wouldn't make sense to let it get to this stage if they were going to cut some kind of deal behind closed doors. It would just get swept under the carpet long ago.
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Let's hope you're right and all 115/130 charges stick. Time will tell.
 
Red4ever27 said:
What worries me is the UK governments involvement in all of this, we already know of one meeting between them and Abu Dhabi officials where the minutes were not revealed. Who knows what's going on and being pulled behind the scenes.
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Sir Keir Starmer is an Arsenal fan though so surely City losing this will be good for him
 
Berbaclass said:
Nothing because that would be incredibly stupid by them.

It wouldn't make sense to let it get to this stage if they were going to cut some kind of deal behind closed doors. It would just get swept under the carpet long ago.
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That's a good point, if they had any sway over this with the UK government (and you'd imagine the Tories would have been more open to corruption). I imagine they'd have tried to bury it 2 years ago.

At this stage it's hard to see nothing happening.
 
Can we please have a ban on anyone chucking out hysterical 'they'll be let off with a tickle' posts.

The panel will decide on the balance of probability whether they are guilty. It would be ridiculous to have taken it this far if there were not a strong case against them.

Also, please not one more factually impossible misinformed claim such as they'll appeal to CAS' or 'the FA will....'
 
GaryLifo said:
Can we please have a ban on anyone chucking out hysterical 'they'll be let off with a tickle' posts.

The panel will decide on the balance of probability whether they are guilty. It would be ridiculous to have taken it this far if there were not a strong case against them.

Also, please not one more factually impossible misinformed claim such as they'll appeal to CAS' or 'the FA will....'
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I don't see how they can let them off with a slap on the wrist considering the penalties handed to Everton and Forest.

The PL have already been threatened with the Super League. They're not stupid. They know the other clubs will be in uproar if they let them off and they keep dominating.
 
SilentWitness said:
You don't have to hand out titles to 2nd place after stripping them. It should just be a blank in the history books. Which is unfortunate but the right thing to do.
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Yeah Lance Armstrong these financial cheats, come on Premier League show City you won't be bullied by their high profile lawyers
 
Top_Bins said:
I think a fitting punishment should be all of the title and relegation stuff, but with a forced name change to 'cheating bastards fc'.
I'll take suggestions as to the badge imagery.
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The badge, after some serious thought, should be the city mack daddy sat in the floor in the middle of a room, In the midst of a bukake party, with the words 'in oil we we trust' up top, and the Roman ' maximus wankus' at the bottom.
 
duffer said:
That's just not true with Roman, he attended hundreds of games during his time owning Chelsea.

No idea about Man City's owners but Abramovic obviously had an interest in the football.
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Something that crosses my mind regularly is during an Etihad Stadium tour in January 2023, the tour guide was taking us around the ground and as we come into eye shot of the owners box, he said "He has only ever attended one game as he is a busy man, who can guess which game that was?", and it just blew me away how normal it was to the City fans that their owner just didn't bother getting on his 500m pound jet and flying over more than once.
 
Redivy said:
Something that crosses my mind regularly is during an Etihad Stadium tour in January 2023, the tour guide was taking us around the ground and as we come into eye shot of the owners box, he said "He has only ever attended one game, as he is a busy man, who can guess which game that was?", and it just blew me away how normal it was to the City fans that their owner just didn't bother getting on his 500m pound jet and flying over more than once.
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So he's just like the rest of their "fans" then. Not showing up at the stadium.
 
awop said:
If that blessed day came to be, who do we think would escape the sinking ship ? Ederson, B. Silva, KdB, Rodri for sure. Then maybe loan out Dias. Would be curious to see how Haaland escapes it with maybe only Barca and Bayern able to take him on.
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Literally all of them will go. There will be maybe one or two players who could be tempted by some money, but it will be the less important players.

KDB, Ederson, Silva, Rodri, Haaland, Dias, Gvordiol, Stones, Ake, Akanji, Grealish.

Haaland will end up at either Barcelona or PSG.

There might be some martyr like Walker.

I doubt we take any first team players, but hopefully we raid their youth system, most of the young lads would find it easier just coming to us instead of moving across the country.
 
Redivy said:
Literally all of them will go. There will be maybe one or two players who could be tempted by some money, but it will be the less important players.

KDB, Ederson, Silva, Rodri, Haaland, Dias, Gvordiol, Stones, Ake, Akanji, Grealish.

Haaland will end up at either Barcelona or PSG.

There might be some martyr like Walker.

I doubt we take any first team players, but hopefully we raid their youth system, most of the young lads would find it easier just coming to us instead of moving across the country.
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Doubt it.

If it's just for one season, I reckon City will sell a couple of players, loan a few, and keep a team that guarantees promotion. I also believe Pep will stay out of pride, then leave after the promotion.

There'll only be a clear out if it's more than one season sort of thing. No way City would allow it as losing all their stars would set them back a decade.
 
SungSam7 said:
Politics and sport should have not been mixed. If City are not be punished, they need to be putting a foot down that the club must be sold or be excluded from any FA related competitions.

No state ownership as politics can then creep in. If Roman basically had to sell Chelsea, there should be a similar outcome for City so fair play can't be brought into question.
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We are privately owned and that's simply a fact.
 
Redivy said:
Literally all of them will go. There will be maybe one or two players who could be tempted by some money, but it will be the less important players.

KDB, Ederson, Silva, Rodri, Haaland, Dias, Gvordiol, Stones, Ake, Akanji, Grealish.

Haaland will end up at either Barcelona or PSG.

There might be some martyr like Walker.

I doubt we take any first team players, but hopefully we raid their youth system, most of the young lads would find it easier just coming to us instead of moving across the country.
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The only one that might stay would be Foden.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
I don't see how they can let them off with a slap on the wrist considering the penalties handed to Everton and Forest.

The PL have already been threatened with the Super League. They're not stupid. They know the other clubs will be in uproar if they let them off and they keep dominating.
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And rightly so to be honest. I think the other 19 would be within their rights to take their ball and go and play somewhere else if it turns out the premier league isn’t fit to uphold the rules everyone else has agreed to.
 
golden_blunder said:
Take your blinkers off lad
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No he's right mate, they're owned by member of the Royal family, Brother of the ruler of Abu Dhabi, Vice President and Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE. No connection to the state.

He's just a massive football fan and no matter how busy he is he still finds time to jet in at least once every 2 decades to watch his beloved Manchester City live.
 
Someone said:
Doubt it.

If it's just for one season, I reckon City will sell a couple of players, loan a few, and keep a team that guarantees promotion. I also believe Pep will stay out of pride, then leave after the promotion.

There'll only be a clear out if it's more than one season sort of thing. No way City would allow it as losing all their stars would set them back a decade.
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That's if they're still City's to sell. I wonder whether any players have the right to terminate their contracts in the event of a significant breach of their contract by City, and whether this situation would be a significant breach under the contract terms?
 
SilentWitness said:
You don't have to hand out titles to 2nd place after stripping them. It should just be a blank in the history books. Which is unfortunate but the right thing to do.
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I'll be incredibly surprised if they're stripped of past titles, as someone above alluded to, that would result in an absolute omnishambles of litigation by all the wronged parties - clubs, players, betting companies, sponsors etc. etc. and so on. The PL will surely be keen to avoid that.
 
The Urban Goose said:
I'll be incredibly surprised if they're stripped of past titles, as someone above alluded to, that would result in an absolute omnishambles of litigation by all the wronged parties - clubs, players, betting companies, sponsors etc. etc. and so on. The PL will surely be keen to avoid that.
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That would be the most principle move to make, strip them of every silverware they've won in that time, cast them out of the league for at least 10 years.

In Italian football it's been done to the most prestigious teams like Juve and both Milans, if the EPL can't do that to City, then United should stop obeying every rule and use their finances how they choose.
 
It wouldn't. Their titles can just be stricken from the record without it being awarded to second place.

I'd love for the record to state e.g.

Premier league Champions 2011-2012: No winner*



* Manchester City stripped of league title due to being found guilty of 129 offences.
 
izak said:
That would be the most principle move to make, strip them of every silverware they've won in that time, cast them out of the league for at least 10 years.

In Italian football it's been done to the most prestigious teams like Juve and both Milans, if the EPL can't do that to City, then United should stop obeying every rule and use their finances how they choose.
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If no proper sanctions are imposed the Super League idea needs to come back quite simple.
 
I genuinely think they will get relegated. It's not often I say this but I think the league has been pretty smart. They were so harsh on Everton and Forrest to set a precedent for this IMO.

They deserve everything they get really. If you cooked the booked in a private business you'd be getting jail time so this should be equally as strict. If they get cleared of all charges then football is basically over as other clubs will just go crazy with the spending and hardly even hide it.
 
The Urban Goose said:
I'll be incredibly surprised if they're stripped of past titles, as someone above alluded to, that would result in an absolute omnishambles of litigation by all the wronged parties - clubs, players, betting companies, sponsors etc. etc. and so on. The PL will surely be keen to avoid that.
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I’ll also be incredibly surprised If clubs are not already lining up to try and get compensation once\if City are found guilty. Whilst stripping of titles will most likely make it easier I don’t think it compensation will be dependent on that.
 
brother ant said:
I’ll also be incredibly surprised If clubs are not already lining up to try and get compensation once\if City are found guilty. Whilst stripping of titles will most likely make it easier I don’t think it compensation will be dependent on that.
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Yes Clubs should sue the hell out of those oil spillage cnuts to the last dime.
 
The Urban Goose said:
I'll be incredibly surprised if they're stripped of past titles, as someone above alluded to, that would result in an absolute omnishambles of litigation by all the wronged parties - clubs, players, betting companies, sponsors etc. etc. and so on. The PL will surely be keen to avoid that.
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Did that happen in Serie A?

I think people overestimate the action clubs will take. For whatever reason football is quite a simple industry and clubs and chairmen only really look forward. It’s not particularly litigious. My theory on that is that the competitive nature of the sport leads to an attitude that that sort of action would be seen as small time and sour grapes. “Oh we should have won in 2018 instead so I’m suing you” would be the topic of ridicule in clubs and stadiums across the country.


Imagine United seeking financial reparations, claiming if it wasn’t for City, our shitshow of a decade would have been quite successful?
 
If found guilty, I don't see how City fans can justify any of their titles. I get that you still need to do it on the pitch and the players / managers still deserve credit. Whilst I agree with that, the only reason they got the players / manager they have is because they cheated.

You cant justify the cheating, its like saying if a athlete took PED's its fine because he still had to go out there and perform, no. Its still cheating. Regardless how people sugar coat it.
 
BlueMoonOutcast said:
We are privately owned and that's simply a fact.
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Bigger question here is, do City spend more on

1. Sponsoring themselves OR
2. Making fake sponsors OR
3. The paid actors from Asia and the Middle east to come fill the seats in the Ethihad OR
4. The consultancy jobs the give to players in order to beef up the contracts as part of a loop hole OR
5. Cooking the books by making questionable signings between sister clubs like Girona?

Only City fans can sit with their brass necks and have this belief that everything has been done fairly. If it was done fairly, every club would do it. But in my opinion, the only way City felt confident there would be no punishment is because they are, who they are.
 
SungSam7 said:
Bigger question here is, do City spend more on

1. Sponsoring themselves OR
2. Making fake sponsors OR
3. The paid actors from Asia and the Middle east to come fill the seats in the Ethihad OR
4. The consultancy jobs the give to players in order to beef up the contracts as part of a loop hole OR
5. Cooking the books by making questionable signings between sister clubs like Girona?

Only City fans can sit with their brass necks and have this belief that everything has been done fairly. If it was done fairly, every club would do it. But in my opinion, the only way City felt confident there would be no punishment is because they are, who they are.
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Yep, dont forget they also give shares out to agents and the like so it doesnt show on their accounts how much they are actually spending.

I dont understand why City fans would argue this.. when the club is making claims like, We make more revenue than United, Real, Barca... yeah right.

A club that can barely fill out its stadium makes more commercial revenue... okay..,
 
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