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City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Have to admit, you can’t beat the ‘we are not guilty because it shouldn’t be a rule in the first place’ defense.
These days, if you say you’re Citeh…
Isn't this a case of them being accused of breaking the rules that are in place? Rather than if those rules should be there in the first place?
I would imagine they will get a massive fine in relative terms, a point deduction which won’t really set them back and probably a transfer ban like Chelsea and that’ll be it. The rules will become more strict but the damage is already done. The PL needs city as crappy as that is
Do they?! So Arsenal and Liverpool hoovering up titles instead is bad because….?
To be fair, they're used to being 'Massive'.
Give them a 350 points deduction hit that carries over until they have cleared it.
Even if they hit 100 points a season that is still 3 or 4 relegations and then its another 3 or so years at least before they get back into the Premier League.
Seems fair.
Even if they hit 100 points a season that is still 3 or 4 relegations and then its another 3 or so years at least before they get back into the Premier League.
Seems fair.
Would be better if they get a 350 points deduction that resets every season that they fail to reach 351 points of more.
There is no appeal process for this, so they can't do that.
60 points would be interesting. Would give them a fighting chance of staying in the league. If the League actually do punish them, I think they'd lean towards something like 40-50 points, which is unprecedented, but wouldn't relegate them. If the level of cheating is true, its probably something city could live with, as theyd be back winning the league the following season, and may even be in the CL still if they win it this year.
I'd prefer a multiyear punishment so that they cannot weasel themselves out of it. They need 4 or 5 years outside consistently European football so their attractiveness as a destination for players disappears.
Years of cheating only to get a punishment that realistically only bothered them for a year or two at most would be a total joke.
Yep. Dunno why people keep coming up with these scenarios that only punish them in the current year.
It's like for one race putting a ball and chain on a 100m runner who won all their races for the past decade on steroids. Oh no they lose one time but everything else is legitimized.
The one thing the PL does not need is city. United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea are where the vast majority of the PL's fanbase, especially global, are. Even if city are growing in popularity, their support is still miniscule compared to the other four. If it was one of those then you might have a point, but city aren't a very big draw to the league. If they are removed from the equation arsenal/liverpool would become the big draw (In terms of active quality) and the PL would not miss a beat.
These claims that they'll only get a 40, 50, or 60 point deduction are laughable, City are charged with 130 serious offences and each one they are found guilty of warrents its own punishment so they are hardly going to get off with a small points deduction that doesnt affect them if they are found guilty.
What I’m 100% sure there will be no retrospective action. They will keep all their titles.
I think you all might have more hope than me that theyll be charged at all. Im only trying to consider what might happen if the league wants to look strong while doing little.
They have already been charged and are now facing those charges at the hearing, what the leagues wants is actually irrelevant any punishment wont be decided by them it will be decided by the Independant Panel
Why?
They basically just took Barcelona's top staff in order to lay the groundwork to get Pep.
Hardly took a genius to make that decision, literally any club with bottomless pits of money could have done the same. It was like Chelsea taking Kenyon when Roman bought them, he basically took Utd's shopping list with him and threw all their money at it.
Oh it's not about hope, really. I've no idea what pressure the PL have behind the scenes and how likely they are to put that pressure on the independent panel.
It's just about what a right and just punishment would be. Anything other than something affecting their titles for each individual season they cheated is ludicrous imo. If you told Newcastle now they could win 7 PL's but be forced to have one single bad season either via pts deduction or relegation they'd bite your hand off. It needs to be a massive deterrence to anyone else and a message that you can't just brute force league titles with money and hope it goes away.
Agree, fold them.
Should be relative to number of years they get done for. For instance if they have 1 guilty charge in 2019 and 4 in 2023, it should be 2 years league ban.
If they only punish them for one season, the chains are off. It won’t happen.
They would have no legal recourse and every team with ambition would just ignore the rules, knowing that you can just brute force them when the time comes, and there would be a precedent for that.
If they want to avoid an independent regulator, that isn’t a viable solution for the PL.
They would have no legal recourse and every team with ambition would just ignore the rules, knowing that you can just brute force them when the time comes, and there would be a precedent for that.
If they want to avoid an independent regulator, that isn’t a viable solution for the PL.
But there is the legal system, which could ban any punishment until that process is played out
They would get one appeal which will be heard in the same place but with a different Independent Panel and the decision they make is final and City would have to accept it.
Bit of a strange thread to share this optimism in though.
With you 100%
I think they should be ejected from the league and banned from re entry for 5 seasons. Their titles should be stripped too but won't be
I believe another reason why they won’t be punished in a manner fitting their „crimes“ is that the league itself won’t want to look like a bunch of idiots, who stood by while someone cheated the whole league for years. A harsh punishment is basically a confession that they failed to enforce their rules. And as organisations like these tend to take appearances very seriously, they have an interest to avoid the harsher penalties.
They would look better, from their point of view, if City looked like a club that did a few shady things and that’s it, instead of showing them for what they are: a quasi criminal enterprise who made a joke of every regulatory institution involved in English football.
They would look better, from their point of view, if City looked like a club that did a few shady things and that’s it, instead of showing them for what they are: a quasi criminal enterprise who made a joke of every regulatory institution involved in English football.
Isn't Everton getting a 10 point deduction for one charge also a precedent?
I really hope so, I want to have the same hope as you but I just know how corrupt it can be at the top. They will come out with some bulllshit about how the charges were different etc...
I am stuck between two, if you think sensibly, you cannot bring down 115 charges on a club and not punish them, considering last 2 seasons numerous clubs have been sanctioned. yet, I feel as if City being City will get away with it because of the influence they have.
It’s an independent body who will be judging and deciding punishment isn’t it?
So what the Premier League want as a punishment is surely not a factor?
Correct.
''All I did was rob a bank. It's not fair that there are rich people and I'm skint, so robbing banks shouldn't be against the law. I just want to be rich as well.
It's a conspiracy.''
So you think there is zero possibilty they would take legal action if they think they have been unjustly or wrongly punished, that's a bit naive if you ask me
If they only have a 30 point deduction they will probably still finish above us.
It is. And that’s absolutely how things should be. And I believe in no way at all, that this is how it’s going to be.
Instead they look like a bunch of idiots who not only allowed this at the time but failed to act when it came to light...
Yes, that's a much better look.
None of us have any clue how it will go. And I suspect they won't get the level of punishment they deserve. But I just don't see how the PL could dish out fairly harsh punishments on Everton and Forest for single charges and then let City off for 115 charges. They will know they have to do something to them, otherwise the whole idea of the PL as a competition will be a farce and the PL lose what little integrity they have left.
Also lets not forget the Premier League is the 20 clubs, it's not just some group of suits somewhere that City can buy off. All the other clubs have a say in this to some extent. If City get off with a virtual slap on the wrist then the Super League will almost certainly rear it's head again.
If they are found guilty of the charges and the appeal panel uphold that guilty verdict there is no further action they could take that would hold up the punishment, the process being followed here is a process that all clubs agree to and sign up to each season.