Alvaro Maestre
Last Man Standing 2 finalist 2023/24
115+15 FC its my choice .As 115 FC dies in the flames, a phoenix rises from the ashes.
Behold!
130 FC
115+15 FC its my choice .As 115 FC dies in the flames, a phoenix rises from the ashes.
Behold!
130 FC
Apparently all they are guilty of is overspending on players in order to be able to compete and its all a consipacy against by the traditional big clubs
Do they?! So Arsenal and Liverpool hoovering up titles instead is bad because….?I would imagine they will get a massive fine in relative terms, a point deduction which won’t really set them back and probably a transfer ban like Chelsea and that’ll be it. The rules will become more strict but the damage is already done. The PL needs city as crappy as that is
To be fair, they're used to being 'Massive'.I would imagine they will get a massive fine in relative terms, a point deduction which won’t really set them back and probably a transfer ban like Chelsea and that’ll be it. The rules will become more strict but the damage is already done. The PL needs city as crappy as that is
Give them a 350 points deduction hit that carries over until they have cleared it.
Even if they hit 100 points a season that is still 3 or 4 relegations and then its another 3 or so years at least before they get back into the Premier League.
Seems fair.
There is no appeal process for this, so they can't do that.You just know this will drag on for years…found guilty and they appeal…unless they take a serious punishment but for a way to redeem themselves to the league and the fans of the league they plead guilty.
I for one hope they have the book thrown at them but I want it done in a professional way, by the law of the game. The EPL if they are found guilty need to grow a pair and put the foot down. Ignore government threats and get that independent regulator in and fam and no more state ownership of clubs.
Apparently all they are guilty of is overspending on players in order to be able to compete and its all a consipacy against by the traditional big clubs
I'd prefer a multiyear punishment so that they cannot weasel themselves out of it. They need 4 or 5 years outside consistently European football so their attractiveness as a destination for players disappears.60 points would be interesting. Would give them a fighting chance of staying in the league. If the League actually do punish them, I think they'd lean towards something like 40-50 points, which is unprecedented, but wouldn't relegate them. If the level of cheating is true, its probably something city could live with, as theyd be back winning the league the following season, and may even be in the CL still if they win it this year.
Yep. Dunno why people keep coming up with these scenarios that only punish them in the current year.Years of cheating only to get a punishment that realistically only bothered them for a year or two at most would be a total joke.
I would imagine they will get a massive fine in relative terms, a point deduction which won’t really set them back and probably a transfer ban like Chelsea and that’ll be it. The rules will become more strict but the damage is already done. The PL needs city as crappy as that is
60 points would be interesting. Would give them a fighting chance of staying in the league. If the League actually do punish them, I think they'd lean towards something like 40-50 points, which is unprecedented, but wouldn't relegate them. If the level of cheating is true, its probably something city could live with, as theyd be back winning the league the following season, and may even be in the CL still if they win it this year.
I would imagine they will get a massive fine in relative terms, a point deduction which won’t really set them back and probably a transfer ban like Chelsea and that’ll be it. The rules will become more strict but the damage is already done. The PL needs city as crappy as that is
I'd prefer a multiyear punishment so that they cannot weasel themselves out of it. They need 4 or 5 years outside consistently European football so their attractiveness as a destination for players disappears.
Yep. Dunno why people keep coming up with these scenarios that only punish them in the current year.
It's like for one race putting a ball and chain on a 100m runner who won all their races for the past decade on steroids. Oh no they lose one time but everything else is legitimized.
These claims that they'll only get a 40, 50, or 60 point deduction are laughable, City are charged with 130 serious offences and each one they are found guilty of warrents its own punishment so they are hardly going to get off with a small points deduction that doesnt affect them if they are found guilty.
I think you all might have more hope than me that theyll be charged at all. Im only trying to consider what might happen if the league wants to look strong while doing little.
Shouldn't credit also go to City's reorganizing of its football staff and recruiting side? Or only Pepe is deserving of the sudden change in player selection?
That said, I still hope they get binned out of the league.
Oh it's not about hope, really. I've no idea what pressure the PL have behind the scenes and how likely they are to put that pressure on the independent panel.I think you all might have more hope than me that theyll be charged at all. Im only trying to consider what might happen if the league wants to look strong while doing little.
Agree, fold them.Years of cheating only to get a punishment that realistically only bothered them for a year or two at most would be a total joke.
Years of cheating only to get a punishment that realistically only bothered them for a year or two at most would be a total joke.
But there is the legal system, which could ban any punishment until that process is played outThere is no appeal process for this, so they can't do that.
But there is the legal system, which could ban any punishment until that process is played out
To be honest, whatever the outcome of the “case” doesn’t overly concern me, all I am concerned is about United and their current situation, we have had loads of money to spend in the past, and got us nowhere, only more in debt. Pep is a good manager, yes he has managed at clubs where he could spend money, but we did that and didn’t get anywhere near challenging for PL. I am more hopeful for the future now that we have a leadership team that is not going to be held to ransom for players. The youth set up seems to be increasing their talent stock, which is always a good thing. Look ,patience is required at the moment, and it could have been worse, it could have been the scousers that had been winning everything
Oh it's not about hope, really. I've no idea what pressure the PL have behind the scenes and how likely they are to put that pressure on the independent panel.
It's just about what a right and just punishment would be. Anything other than something affecting their titles for each individual season they cheated is ludicrous imo. If you told Newcastle now they could win 7 PL's but be forced to have one single bad season either via pts deduction or relegation they'd bite your hand off. It needs to be a massive deterrence to anyone else and a message that you can't just brute force league titles with money and hope it goes away.
The issue is that, the PL after giving other clubs points deductions, they have to do something with City too. However; City hold a higher power than the other clubs, not just in football, as there is alot of influence that City owners have in the UK economy.
We have seen City wriggle out of the UEFA one, people will say its different etc but there is a precedent. I suspect they will get away with a 5/6 points deduction, which would be a compromise from both parties.
City will threaten legal action and PL will threaten nothing.
Isn't Everton getting a 10 point deduction for one charge also a precedent?
I believe another reason why they won’t be punished in a manner fitting their „crimes“ is that the league itself won’t want to look like a bunch of idiots, who stood by while someone cheated the whole league for years. A harsh punishment is basically a confession that they failed to enforce their rules. And as organisations like these tend to take appearances very seriously, they have an interest to avoid the harsher penalties.
They would look better, from their point of view, if City looked like a club that did a few shady things and that’s it, instead of showing them for what they are: a quasi criminal enterprise who made a joke of every regulatory institution involved in English football.
Isn't this a case of them being accused of breaking the rules that are in place? Rather than if those rules should be there in the first place?
So you think there is zero possibilty they would take legal action if they think they have been unjustly or wrongly punished, that's a bit naive if you ask meThey would get one appeal which will be heard in the same place but with a different Independent Panel and the decision they make is final and City would have to accept it.
It is. And that’s absolutely how things should be. And I believe in no way at all, that this is how it’s going to be.It’s an independent body who will be judging and deciding punishment isn’t it?
So what the Premier League want as a punishment is surely not a factor?
Instead they look like a bunch of idiots who not only allowed this at the time but failed to act when it came to light...I believe another reason why they won’t be punished in a manner fitting their „crimes“ is that the league itself won’t want to look like a bunch of idiots, who stood by while someone cheated the whole league for years. A harsh punishment is basically a confession that they failed to enforce their rules. And as organisations like these tend to take appearances very seriously, they have an interest to avoid the harsher penalties.
They would look better, from their point of view, if City looked like a club that did a few shady things and that’s it, instead of showing them for what they are: a quasi criminal enterprise who made a joke of every regulatory institution involved in English football.
I really hope so, I want to have the same hope as you but I just know how corrupt it can be at the top. They will come out with some bulllshit about how the charges were different etc...
I am stuck between two, if you think sensibly, you cannot bring down 115 charges on a club and not punish them, considering last 2 seasons numerous clubs have been sanctioned. yet, I feel as if City being City will get away with it because of the influence they have.
So you think there is zero possibilty they would take legal action if they think they have been unjustly or wrongly punished, that's a bit naive if you ask me