Wasn’t the story his helicopter went over Stamford bridge and he basically said ‘I’ll have that’ when he’d been planning to buy spurs originally?
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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The 3 man panel are chosen by the Independant Chair Murray Rosen KC, its different from the CAS hearing where City were allowed to choose 2 of the men on the panel themselves.
What the actual feck. Why on earth were they allowed to choose 2 of the panel men themselves??
Of course they'd choose someone who would side with them. Stinks of corruption.
A huge percentage of City's charges are about not providing information and delaying proceedings. Not for actual breaches of PSR.What does that mean?
The circumstances are that Everton got a 10 point deduction for one charge relating to a breach of PSR. City have 115 of them.
There's very little similarity between Everton and City cases, I'm not sure why people keep thinking there is.
Clearly one breach that has been admitted to, is a lot easier to deal with, then 115 charges where every element is fought and denied.
The PSR charges among the 115 relate to entire seasons of non-compliance with the regulations though. I keep reading this point about them making up the minority of charges, as if it doesn't cover an entire period of about 10 years.
@Niall we need a giant asterisk thingy in case we need to refer to the shell company that used the Ethiad
Do you know this for a fact?
The most depressing thing about all of this is that it’s not even being treated with the weight it deserves.
It’s being trialled by the Premier League. The Premier League is not looking for a fair outcome. They’re not looking at the evidence, and deciding a punishment befitting the ‘crimes’.
Their first and most pressing concern is to protect their brand. If relegating City that best, they’d do it. If a points deduction or huge fine or transfer ban does that best, that’s what they’ll do.
They want the whole thing to go away. They don’t actually care about anything other than protecting their brand, and the cash register.
The atomised nature of fans is really helping here. Tribal cohorts of fans of different clubs haven’t managed to coalesce around a sense of what they want. United fans are lunatics for wanting them punished to the maximum available outcome. Liverpool fans are just bitter as they got beat. Chelsea fans are quiet as they cheated too. Small club fans drink the kool aid and somehow seem to think punishing City doesn’t help them as the Big 6 Cartel are all the same. It goes on and on.
The sheer volume of charges and brazenness of City’s cheating, truly should see a landmark charge. A real line in the sand that sees English football move on.
I just can’t see that happening. The PL will attempt to balance all the shit that shouldn’t matter, against the shit that does, and treat them of unequal value. Ultimately handing out a points deduction that barely represents a speed bump to City.
At that point, fans should be out on the streets as they were with the Super League. Instead we’ll just all carry on and bitch online.
Depressing.
It’s being trialled by the Premier League. The Premier League is not looking for a fair outcome. They’re not looking at the evidence, and deciding a punishment befitting the ‘crimes’.
Their first and most pressing concern is to protect their brand. If relegating City that best, they’d do it. If a points deduction or huge fine or transfer ban does that best, that’s what they’ll do.
They want the whole thing to go away. They don’t actually care about anything other than protecting their brand, and the cash register.
The atomised nature of fans is really helping here. Tribal cohorts of fans of different clubs haven’t managed to coalesce around a sense of what they want. United fans are lunatics for wanting them punished to the maximum available outcome. Liverpool fans are just bitter as they got beat. Chelsea fans are quiet as they cheated too. Small club fans drink the kool aid and somehow seem to think punishing City doesn’t help them as the Big 6 Cartel are all the same. It goes on and on.
The sheer volume of charges and brazenness of City’s cheating, truly should see a landmark charge. A real line in the sand that sees English football move on.
I just can’t see that happening. The PL will attempt to balance all the shit that shouldn’t matter, against the shit that does, and treat them of unequal value. Ultimately handing out a points deduction that barely represents a speed bump to City.
At that point, fans should be out on the streets as they were with the Super League. Instead we’ll just all carry on and bitch online.
Depressing.
The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated 
The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated
Pep will do whatever suits him best and given the setup at Manchester City i'd be surprised if he just walked away from it. They'll be happy to fund million after million after million to whatever project he wants as a retirement package.
It will be rats leaving a sinking ship. To be fair though Pep is dirty anyway so his reputation is hardly at threat.
They are also assuming that they are only relegated to the championship. If lower the financial restrictions will hit them hard in the EFL.
Depends on how bad it gets, players are more likely to leave than Guardiola. He's achieved everything there is to achieve, the payday that is Manchester City and the money they funnel into other projects means that there's little reason to walk away.
He said he would leave, and then changed his mind and said he'd stay no matter what. He's a liar and will say whatever he needs to in the situation to suit himself and his Abu Dhabi overlords.The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated
He's dirty, just as you say.
Guessing he maybe believed they were innocent and said that.
Then looked in to it more, realised they aren't so changed his mind.
I think that’s extremely unrealistic. He knows perfectly well, what’s happening around him. He just doesn’t care. He’s a hypocrite who will do whatever is necessary to achieve his goals. The man would push his mother down the stairs, if he believed it would make the next win 1,3% more likely.
There’s literally emails in the public domain proving their guilt and speaking openly about circumventing FFP. Not sure he ever thought they were legit but most of his career is shrouded in controversy so it’s not surprising he would stay.
the margins can be fine sometimes.
the season before roman bought Chelsea they were on the brink of bankruptcy and John Terry to Liverpool was a half done deal already. But they pipped us to 4th on the last day, secured CL qualification and then Roman bought them that summer and everything changed.
the season before roman bought Chelsea they were on the brink of bankruptcy and John Terry to Liverpool was a half done deal already. But they pipped us to 4th on the last day, secured CL qualification and then Roman bought them that summer and everything changed.
Might have purchased them either way.
It's a bit like you signing Torres, ending up with Klopp, fine margins.
I think you are forgetting that "the PL" is constituted by the clubs in the Premier League. And the biggest brands incorporating that all think Manchester City is bad for the Premier League.
If(hopefully when) City get implicated, it doesn't really paint a good look for our new CEO who was the CFO at Man City for the last 3-4 years?
Not sure how it matters? They simply represent whoever is in the PL at the moment, but nothing will happen unless enough clubs in the PL group together to force change, and quite a few clubs might actually like the outcome if it allows them to spend more.
That happens all the time.
Companies want to weasel out of contracts they have signed or argue they were unfair etc when things start going wrong.
I find it curious that this is your opinion of him, when most Barcelona and all City fans worship the ground he walks on.
Is he disliked amongst Bayern fans for some reason?
I remember watching the program about City and this stuck out like a sore thumb.
What is the point of having a 3 man panel when you allow City to choose 2 of them ?, and surprise surprise, guess which 2 sided with City ?
CAS should be binned for this alone.
I hate these behind closed door scenarios, you just get the impression City are pulling strings everywhere and they will eventually get a acceptable outcome for themselves.
talking a doing are two separate things, it's on the PL to prove that they followed through with the emails, UEFA couldn't prove this and I believe CAS said there was no evidence they followed through with this, I put something forward to my bosses a few months ago on some IT Licencing, basically we've just paid a years licence up front for 2000 users and I want to roll this product out to another 7000 users and if I onboard them now just pay the extra at the next licencing renewal and save the budget for something else, went around the houses on an email trail then we asked our Legal department and they said no fecking way are you doing that.
No. Not really. Personally his three years with us, we played the best football I’ve ever seen us play. Doesn’t change the fact that he is the face of an operation, that is destroying basically everything I love about the game. His incredible managerial talent doesn’t make up for his lack of character. Wouldn’t want him near the club these days.
Fair enough. And I couldn't agree more. He's a slimy, arrogant, cowardly little weasel who has had everything go his way for far too long.
That’s not true. The Premier League Judicial Panel is entirely independent, appointed by an independent Chair.
Beyond that, the brands you speak of, also want the money to keep flowing. The PL brand being damaged, harms that.
Everyone involved wants to keep the £ value of the league as high as possible, that’s their main goal. Not sporting fairness.
my point is that "the PL" interests is not the interests of some self owned "PL" that hosts clubs. it's the collective interests of the PL clubs. And as far as interests influencing the outcome, I don't think those interests necessarily point in City‘s favour.
That’s not what CAS said, Etisalat payments were time barred. I’m sure you know this though, it’s not like it’s breaking news. They also weren’t looking into much of what the PL is examining.
Re your example doesn’t make sense - some of the things happened, you can see the adjustments to sponsor contracts that happened historically that match with what they’re accused of. Even if there was no proof whatsoever, it’s reams of emails from the C suite colluding to cheat and exposing how extra funding comes in via Abu Dhabi.
What you should be saying is seeing something happened and proving something happened are different things. This is the issue for the PL. There’s no doubt City cheated (there is proof, as said, and also simple facts like the £400m sponsorship valuation in 2011 that cannot be explained with any kind of logic. Feel free to try?) but I don’t know how the PL will ever be able to force Abu Dhabi to provide any docs. They can just say no, which seems to basically be their plan. So they will get punished but will never admit nor have their guilt technically proven, which is all the owners care about.
I think that’s a very naive reading of how the PL operates.
Well I know that when a team finishes in the relegation spots (whether because they were shit or they got a points deduction) they get relegated. I think that one is straightforward.
What hasn’t been tested is expulsion , but if PL say “you aren’t playing in this league for x years” then what other option do city have but to apply to the football league?
The latter is arguable, but I can’t see there is an alternative
I'd say no one here knows exactly what went on apart from the executives, docs were apparently doctored (no idea how true or false this is) but if what you're saying is factually accurate then it should be easy for the PL lawyers to prove guilt on the sponsorships, they've undoubtedly broken rules but which rules not one person on this thread knows with certainty, most people are just being armchair lawyers with no idea on the law, for what it's worth I think they'll be found guilty of some lesser charges but I'm not sure they'll be found guilty of the major ones (no idea how guilty they are), the onus is on the PL to prove guilt and I don't think the emails or contracts show the full story, they may, but I'm not so sure.
Anyone that claims they know how all those emails and contracts amongst millions of documents are a burden off proof of guilt are being as naive as the City fans who believe they've done nothing wrong. I've work to do so might not respond but really, I wouldn't believe everything that's being said or what you've read (unless you've read the full CAS report and work in law) , I very much doubt any leaks come out of this hearing so everyone posting on here and Twitter are just speculating.
I feel like the charges of "failing to cooperate" are just being brushed aside here. They are going to get a points deduction for that alone.
I hope the decision either gets made very quickly (this month), or drags on until the start of next season, so they have to play an entire season knowing no matter what they do they'll still get relegated.
With amy luck they'll also be deducted points for the following season to stop them getting immediately back up.
With amy luck they'll also be deducted points for the following season to stop them getting immediately back up.
I gave you a few well known facts and you’ve gone straight to the ‘only lawyers’ know what’s going on defence. I have read the CAS report, it doesn’t paint City in a good light but shows UEFA were morons for fast tracking everything.
You can believe whatever you want, I’ve said I don’t think you’ll get proven guilty but will have some weak punishment for all the delays and refusals to comply with requests. But many sports lawyers have given their opinions on this, there’s a lot of info out there to read and much of it is from neutral sources i.e. there’s no cartel, there’s no conspiracy against City. There’s just a huge amount of money that falls outside the rules you signed up to and we will see what can be proven and what can’t be.
Its high level corruption, its blatant. Watch the FIFA documentary, its so obvious what goes on. How can you let a team in question select their panel?
Even for the CAS one, they were found not guilty but paid a fine? You dont pay a fine unless either 1. you are guilty 2. worked a deal out.
CAS probably thought rather than banning or punishing them, take a 10's of millions to line their pockets.
They got fined for what they were found guilty of.