Because they're guilty as feck, and they know it. It's just deflection tactics. They know they've been found out.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Everton are not the enema!
In other news, a giant calf appears in courtroom. Grealish miscontrols, then throws himself dramatically to the turf. No one seems to notice. IMeanwhile, the Sunday leagues are getting ready for the thunderous roar and symphonic musical vocal glory that is coming their way. If all four City fans can locate the ground, that is.
It's amazing how late the trial begins...enough time for City to "gather" evidence I guess.
Makes or breaks football for me this one. City left to reign free I’m out. Tribalism has hit new levels just turn your eye to blatant cheating, last chance to turn the tide.
Of all the things club disruption is the worst really.
You just know this will drag on for years…found guilty and they appeal…unless they take a serious punishment but for a way to redeem themselves to the league and the fans of the league they plead guilty.
I for one hope they have the book thrown at them but I want it done in a professional way, by the law of the game. The EPL if they are found guilty need to grow a pair and put the foot down. Ignore government threats and get that independent regulator in and fam and no more state ownership of clubs.
I for one hope they have the book thrown at them but I want it done in a professional way, by the law of the game. The EPL if they are found guilty need to grow a pair and put the foot down. Ignore government threats and get that independent regulator in and fam and no more state ownership of clubs.
Pannick at the dance floor
Remember when they spent nearly £30 Million on Wilfried Bony
I had forgotten that
God, it would be so amazing if they actually got their deserved punishment.
Before Pep came in:
Robinho - £32.5 million
Santa Cruz - £18 million
Tevez - £25.5 million
Adebayor - £25 million
Balotelli - £24 million
Dzeko - £27 million
Aguero - £36 million
Negredo - £20 million
Jovetic - £22 million
Bony - £25 million
They couldn't be touched before Covid. The PL needed their money and their "appeal" to the TV groups. So we couldn't afford a harsh punishment that's why they got away with it for so long...
Now, things have changed. I'd say it is the opposite. We can't afford for them to keep getting away with it.
Now, things have changed. I'd say it is the opposite. We can't afford for them to keep getting away with it.
Would be great if it was American style televised.
To be honest, whatever the outcome of the “case” doesn’t overly concern me, all I am concerned is about United and their current situation, we have had loads of money to spend in the past, and got us nowhere, only more in debt. Pep is a good manager, yes he has managed at clubs where he could spend money, but we did that and didn’t get anywhere near challenging for PL. I am more hopeful for the future now that we have a leadership team that is not going to be held to ransom for players. The youth set up seems to be increasing their talent stock, which is always a good thing. Look ,patience is required at the moment, and it could have been worse, it could have been the scousers that had been winning everything
I’ll second this. If left free to cheat, what’s the point really?
It’s such a big impact it has, but it’s somehow forgotten because City now is just such an integrated part of everyday football. Hope the court truly considers what terrible impact for others their cheating has had.
Now when I look at this I'm genuinely pissed
That's Norris from Corrie that.
Apparently all they are guilty of is overspending on players in order to be able to compete and its all a consipacy against by the traditional big clubs
Shouldn't credit also go to City's reorganizing of its football staff and recruiting side? Or only Pepe is deserving of the sudden change in player selection?
That said, I still hope they get binned out of the league.
"I’m all for cheating if it’s against corrupt rules designed to keep the top at the top forevermore.
I hope Newcastle cheat too. And Wrexham. And any other club with ambition."
Quote from same user underneath that post... pretty much sums up their fanbase imo. Deluded.
Look, City are just plucky little underdogs ok !
Berrarda, Txiki and Sorriano I believe.
For the millionth time - the idea of them simply representing the underdog who had no other means to compete, is a red herring. Its a tale city fans tell themselves to feel better about cheating. But the ugly truth is that across all team sports, with very few exceptions, there are always going to be 'bigger' clubs/teams that for a variety of reasons have been able to sustain some period of relevance. Even in sports with systems like a draft in basketball, the celtics and lakers have won far more than others. The same handful of teams are usually expected to compete in the nfl, the same goes for the stanley cup. Even in international sports, there is a cultural and historic contribution to why some nations just keep performing.
But, and here is the thing city fans dont like admitting - there is always potential. Yes it may take generations, and yes 'smaller' clubs may have more moderate goals from one season to the next, but that doesnt make them any less significant. Thats where the magic of a club and their part of a community comes in. What City wanted was instant success, then for everyone to shut their eyes and ears about how they did it, and they cannot stomach that they could win 10 titles in a row and it will never, ever, ever come close to achieving what Leicester did. Or even in terms of pure emotion, no way do they match the feeling fans of real clubs like wigan and portsmouth got winning the fa cup.
The most important point of all, in their ridiculous argument, is that they are unable to name a single top club thats part of this so called cabal, that didnt at some point drop off because of sporting/financial/other reasons. The big clubs too have peaks and troughs and when they drop off, somebody has to fill that space. Funnily, its city who robbed several 'smaller' teams of a place in the CL. Look at Aston Villa - theyve a good manager now, a good squad, a season in CL after a couple of seasons in other european competition. Who's to say they wont build on this? Ok, there's no guarantees, but this is what growth looks like.
City are cheats, and their fans have simply never been able to stomach that while what happens on the pitch is real, it was made possible by financial doping of a middle eastern state. Thats a fact.
But, and here is the thing city fans dont like admitting - there is always potential. Yes it may take generations, and yes 'smaller' clubs may have more moderate goals from one season to the next, but that doesnt make them any less significant. Thats where the magic of a club and their part of a community comes in. What City wanted was instant success, then for everyone to shut their eyes and ears about how they did it, and they cannot stomach that they could win 10 titles in a row and it will never, ever, ever come close to achieving what Leicester did. Or even in terms of pure emotion, no way do they match the feeling fans of real clubs like wigan and portsmouth got winning the fa cup.
The most important point of all, in their ridiculous argument, is that they are unable to name a single top club thats part of this so called cabal, that didnt at some point drop off because of sporting/financial/other reasons. The big clubs too have peaks and troughs and when they drop off, somebody has to fill that space. Funnily, its city who robbed several 'smaller' teams of a place in the CL. Look at Aston Villa - theyve a good manager now, a good squad, a season in CL after a couple of seasons in other european competition. Who's to say they wont build on this? Ok, there's no guarantees, but this is what growth looks like.
City are cheats, and their fans have simply never been able to stomach that while what happens on the pitch is real, it was made possible by financial doping of a middle eastern state. Thats a fact.
I wasn't making any commentary on their football structure, just that they spaffed many millions up the wall on 10 strikers, only two of which you could really call a success.
They'd actually gone a bit mad with strikers before the takeover as well (with that Thai owner) bringing in Jo, Bianchi, Benjani, Bojinov and Caicedo. They spent more on Robinho and Santa Cruz than those five combined.
I drew the line at pre-Pep because it was those years that built the platform for him. He wasn't joining City if they hadn't established themselves near the top of the table and proven their willingness to provide a near bottomless pit of money to replace players at will.
Raheem Sterling £50m
That was a good signing for them though
If you’re being literal, yes, a deduction of 200 pts isn’t a relegation by itself. De facto, or practically speaking, it probably is. I guess that’s what most people will interpret it as, as well.
The literal definition of relegation from PL to EFL is unknown to me - it will depend on what is the wording in the contracts signed between the PL and the EFL about teams exiting the one league and entering the other. Whether that wording is different for a team punished with deduction or a team punished with expulsion isn’t known to me, though it seems quite possible.
This shouldn’t be part of the PL’s consideration, is my view. If a club has violated conditions necessary to be viewed unacceptable to participate in the PL for a time period, that should be the criterion, not what other leagues and organizations might do or not to for them if so. The PL needs to show it has an integrity as an organization that is above single members or outside interests, this is not done by catering to outside factors. A line must be drawn in the sand on this one, and the PL will be judged IMO opinion on their ability to do just that.
A 200 point reduction would be stupid unless it was spread over multiple seasons. The maximum points if you win all 38 games is 114, so anything above that is the PL backing out of outright relegating them.
Absolutely agree though, this shouldn't be a factor in it, you don't let a murderer walk free because there's no jail cells available. While I'm no more familiar with the structure between the leagues than yourself, but the Italian league did it with Juve and AC Milan back in the 2000s. I don't imagine the EFL would turn Citeh down from entering though, there would be too much money involved.
Oh right. That settles it.
I had to Google that. Funny to see all countries have the same type of perpetually running soap opera.
That's basically what I was saying.
A points deduction that places them in the bottom three, while not direct relegation, would effectively relegate them, and I don't see how the EFL can argue against that. However, such a punishment wouldn't really be a big deal. Without multi-season disqualification, they're just going to come straight back up and continue as they were.
We could, in theory, see a punishment that immediately expels them from the league, rendering the results of all of their matches this season void. What happens after that isn't the concern of the Premier League.
I was basically saying that the PL can't directly place them in the Championship, as it's run by a different organisation.
If city get relegated because they finish bottom of the PL table (a not going to happen with points deduction) then they go down to the championship.
If they are expelled from the PL it’s completely different. Then the football league would have to either accept their application to join the league or not and where they would start would also have to be discussed.
I've seen multiple on twitter and social media in general who actually think that.. it's actually baffling. They feel like FA or whoever are "out to get them" and that they are using "corrupt rules" against Shitty.
As much as we would all like a severe punishment to come their way i`m starting to think it will just be a fine with a minor points deduction.
It all comes back on the premier league for opening the door for state`s to run/own football clubs in the first place.
They are facing a state with limitless money (=power in society today).
The horse has bolted and it`s too late to turn back. They may as well just let City & Newcastle do as they please and fight it out for trophies.
It all comes back on the premier league for opening the door for state`s to run/own football clubs in the first place.
They are facing a state with limitless money (=power in society today).
The horse has bolted and it`s too late to turn back. They may as well just let City & Newcastle do as they please and fight it out for trophies.
Kind of a City fan to list the reasons why City are absolutely fecked as the potential fall out if the PL loses is to big to risk some irrelevant league one stalwart getting away with it.
The increase to 130 charges is a disaster. A complete disaster.
The 115 FC brand is established. It's a re-branding nightmare. I don't know where we go from here.
The 115 FC brand is established. It's a re-branding nightmare. I don't know where we go from here.
The issue is that, the PL after giving other clubs points deductions, they have to do something with City too. However; City hold a higher power than the other clubs, not just in football, as there is alot of influence that City owners have in the UK economy.
We have seen City wriggle out of the UEFA one, people will say its different etc but there is a precedent. I suspect they will get away with a 5/6 points deduction, which would be a compromise from both parties.
City will threaten legal action and PL will threaten nothing.