If something is a show, you generally want it to happen at a particular time.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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If something is a show, you generally want it to happen at a particular time.
What are they saying, can you post clips?
It's almost certain that a guilty verdict won't be the end of it regardless of what punishment the league gives them.
The aguero goal doesn't happen without this stuff. Arse have been pipped by them, liverpool too, then there is all the teams like spurs and everton that missed out on CL by 1 place. Thats worth 20 million plus for them.
If it is categorically proven they cheated in all those seasons, the doors open for so many clubs to take action I don't think it would ever end.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4889001/2023/09/22/man-city-charges-premier-league-abu-dhabi/
I didn't say that it's for show but stated that the governments got directly in touch regarding this matter. Also shows how important the City brand is for UAE.
I personally hope they cum down hard on them.
I can't see them getting all their titles stripped away (much as that would be hilarious).
1. It would bring an entire decade of PL into disrepute. See all those matches you went cheering for? You were playing in a rigged game mate! One team cheats and fair competition goes out the window. Brand PL would suffer a major blow. As far as I'm aware, not many other teams want them stripped of titles, either.
2. Acknowledgment of a decade's worth of cheating by the higher ups of the PL would only highlight their sheer incompetence. Ever seen a managing executive willing to acknowledge their own incompetence? No? Me neither.
3. The literal money involved for so many teams, and the maelstrom of quantifiable losses. 1 team per year for a decade losing out on Champions League place/money, is that about £250m in total? Heck, even 18th place can claim, for a decade, there was one team above them who cheated and therefore they shouldn't have been relegated.
What I'd like to see if they ARE found guilty (and what will surely not happen), would be an actual punishment of the ownership rather than club and fans. Bar them from ownership in the PL. Enforce conditions by which they have to sell the club (similar to what happened to abramovich at Chelsea). Let City keep all the money and titles, maybe a big massive fine or something, but with some safeguarding to ensure the club isn't sent into a spiral. I'm sure a bunch of players will leave but I'd imagine at the end of it all the club will still be in a decent enough standing compared to where they were before the cheats took over.
Who knows, they may even become a club again, one that doesn't make the entirety of the non-city footballing world roll their eyes and struggle to care.
1. It would bring an entire decade of PL into disrepute. See all those matches you went cheering for? You were playing in a rigged game mate! One team cheats and fair competition goes out the window. Brand PL would suffer a major blow. As far as I'm aware, not many other teams want them stripped of titles, either.
2. Acknowledgment of a decade's worth of cheating by the higher ups of the PL would only highlight their sheer incompetence. Ever seen a managing executive willing to acknowledge their own incompetence? No? Me neither.
3. The literal money involved for so many teams, and the maelstrom of quantifiable losses. 1 team per year for a decade losing out on Champions League place/money, is that about £250m in total? Heck, even 18th place can claim, for a decade, there was one team above them who cheated and therefore they shouldn't have been relegated.
What I'd like to see if they ARE found guilty (and what will surely not happen), would be an actual punishment of the ownership rather than club and fans. Bar them from ownership in the PL. Enforce conditions by which they have to sell the club (similar to what happened to abramovich at Chelsea). Let City keep all the money and titles, maybe a big massive fine or something, but with some safeguarding to ensure the club isn't sent into a spiral. I'm sure a bunch of players will leave but I'd imagine at the end of it all the club will still be in a decent enough standing compared to where they were before the cheats took over.
Who knows, they may even become a club again, one that doesn't make the entirety of the non-city footballing world roll their eyes and struggle to care.
Wtf?
Yes, lets hear what Alan Brazil and Jason Cundy have to say please.
They need punishing.
From Reddit. I refuse to believe these are charges that can result in anything but severe punishment.
Why did you spell it like that?
Because they’re all cock and no balls.
It has to be severe, otherwise why would any club bother providing accurate financial information going forward?
Only suitable punishment is a Rangers type situation where they have to start again. Man Blues or something like on PES.
Apparently it's not even 115 charges. After a correction it's actually 130.
i hope they’re stripped first.
This is sadly what will happen.
There’s no way the British gov will upset them that much. There’ll be some pathetic punishment but they are wealthy, they are valuable to us for trade and the most important thing for them is their image.
Titles won’t be stripped but there’ll be a big fine, not because they’re guilty, because they have obstructed the investigation and a lot of other ransoms things. There will never be any kind of admission of guilt.
It's funny cos it's true.
Yeah it's been discussed from time to time (even though in general, the media coverage of this farce has been tiny compared to the outrage it should have caused), but never with an actual conclusion, just conjecture. No one really knows, but I guess part of the punishment could theoretically be a massive fine which is redistributed to the clubs that have been "penalised" - even that is unsatisfying in that it doesn't cover all the harm they've been doing since 2008 (relegation fights they've had an influence on, cup runs, etc.) but it could be a way to acknowledge the harm they've caused to other clubs.
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Would they be fine after found guilty and paid millions dollar on table and off table to settle them ?
What’s with The Athletic and City? No mention anywhere of City’s charges.
Yeah, this is all well and good. However, for all we know the UK government told them nothing that can be done.
People keep saying this but it makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
If Man City and their owners were so important the UK Governement or whatever nefarious agency you want to use would've shut down the case before it even got made and definitely before the PL went public and said they were pursuing City.
So, the constant talk of cover ups/whitewash in this instance doesn't make a grain of sense, as this could've easily have been contained from the outset. This goes double as the PL could've easily have shot down all comments about them doing nothing by pointing to the UEFA appeal and saying something similar would happen.
After that you also get to the little fact that the PL is one of UK's biggest exports and most likely it's biggest soft power export. No way do the UK government bend over to the Abu Dhabi for that, ir simply isn't worth it from a geopolitical viewpoint or an economic view point.
If people want to dabble in conspiracies the only one that makes sense is that once Saudi got let into the PL they wanted to kill their regional rivals crown jewel. That would explain why the announcement of charges against City came out of nowhere (years after UEFA) and shortly after Saudi got let in. Thus, it would be a case of selling someone out for a bigger wallet.
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Some people have mentioned a sort of "gag order", but considering other outlets are reporting it (in a very timid manner) and some of their podcasts also mention it, I'm going to go with "selective outrage" - they are probably content with the access they get at City and don't want to jeopardize that. It's why I have an issue with some of their journalists, even though they tend to be some of the best in the business, they seem content getting on very selective high horses.
I'm not kidding myself that if City are found guilty (there is enough info in the public domain to derive a conclusion for yourself!) than they would receive anything other than a financial penalty. Given Abu Dhabi resources it's not a sporting penalty at all and I'm sure City lawyers have already informed the club that the legal process would take several years to conclude (ably assisted by them!) for them to play without impunity.
Sorry to burst your bubble on this one but they did try and shush it up, City and the PL did not want it to be public.
The PL is not the U.K. gov. Not sure that should need to be explained, and the PL wants, quite clearly to punish City and believe they have cheated to a silly level. The reason people believe the gov will be involved is City’s owners literally are their government, so it’s not really a reach to think the topic would be discussed.
It’s not even a conspiracy theory, it’s just a fact that the UAE gov directly own Man City and Man City are being threatened with this action by the PL. Is that false?
Erm, you're the one saying that the UK Government will not allow it to happen by not wanting to 'upset them'. By that I inferred you were saying that the UK Govt will lean on the PL to whitewash this/go easy. Is that not correct?
My point is that if this is the end game. Then why did it get this far? If the UK govt are going to insist on nothing happening to protect the relationship with Abu Dhabi, then the case would've never seen the light of day, especially as there were so many 'out's' for them to use as excuses.
Abu Dhabi are also not the be all and end all.
maybe go back and read my post? I think their punishment (for it would be mind blowing for the PL to be 100% incorrect and they have in fact broken none of the 115 infringements) will be paltry but there will be one. What would upset the UAE is damaging their image so I do not think titles will be stripped and I do not think they will be relegated.
So I never said nothing will happen but I do think the U.K. gov in this instance are likely having some influence on the PL for their own benefit.
You did not answer my question FYI.
It's not really how it works, is it?
As soon as the ball starts rolling in terms of an enquiry and subsequently investigation, it's not always easy to prevent it from making headlines and it's difficult to prevent it from being a potential problem, but just because the case doesn't instantly go away it's not as if there's feck all influence.
I mean, Manchester City can easily be heavily punished in terms of fines and point deductions without them being anywhere near the sort of punishment you'd expect for the charges brought against them. A bit like Marcos Alonso in Madrid then. Here is door A then, if you don't happen to be rich there's always door B
Look at Newcastle and the Saudis, why was it blocked in the first place, how did it get resolved, why were politicians involved trying to make sure that UK and Saudi relationships weren't effected. It was essentially a "make sure this actually happens, pretty please"
So no, it becoming a story and not instantly going away isn't some sort of verification that there's no pressure and foul play, the actual result is the verification if it's door A or door B.
Haha. Not far off.
They ultimately don't care if they cheated. Just want to get away with it. Potentially the worst type of criminal.
Richard Master, CEO of the PL interviewed about City's 115 charges:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c049n6evlyyo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c049n6evlyyo
Isn't our differing views more that:
a) I believe City will get a significant punishment and you believe they'll get a paltry one and;
b) I am of the opinion if the judgement is going to be paltry the PL wouldn't have gone for them/the UK Govt would've not allowed this to see the light of day to begin with?
As for the question, I do not believe I denied that City and Abu Dhabi govt are one of the same thing. My reference to the 'conspiracy theory' (maybe wrong way of describing it) was more to do with that the UK will ensure that this is whitewashed/ensure Abu Dhabi aren't given too big of a punishment.
I think we maybe put a pin in this one and review in the New Year when the judgement comes.
For sure I agree with the bolded part.
As for the italics part, I am just of the opinion that the ball would never get rolling to being with if Door B(or whitewash) is an option. I say this simply because to offer 'Door B' in this instance is going to lead to a serious public backlash and damage the image of the PL. For the life of me, I just don't see how the PL wouldn't know this and subsequently take the easy option which was to deflect and state that the UEFA cased largely 'tied their hands'.
Depends on your definition of the word paltry, I mean relative to the wealth of the UAE and the breaches they are accused of. A fair punishment likely does not exist when you start to think about the knock on effects of their actions across other teams unless they get the Rangers treatment and are liquidated.
True.
You have evidence for this?