City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

Flying high said:
And they've spent the last years playing every legal trick they can find to delay and obfuscate. The PL can't let that slide. Abu Dhabi FC are done.

I have absolutely no sympathy for the city fans that have cheered them on all these years.
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Any chance they had of leniancy from the Premier League probably went out of the window when they took that rudiculous court action against the Premier League earier this year.
 
I will only accept them returning to pre 2008 trophy count to recognise them as a real club ever again. They're just a rich kid's play thing and their fans have no shame.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Absolutely nothing will happen, Manchester City will just keep dragging it through the courts and beat the PL with money, the PL don’t even come close to how much City can throw at this.

Justice system is great isn’t it.
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They’ve done that, though. They’ve managed to delay proceedings for literally years. The Premier League is a multibillion pound organization that can afford lawyers just as good as City’s. (Isn't it mad that we have to talk about this? City are such a despicable club.)
 
Not really paid much attention to this as just got the feeling they are going to get let of very lightly once more. The same way the won their case against UEFA a few years ago.

Hope I am proven wrong though
 
My feeling is a direct relegation will pass a problem onto another league that might not be able to handle any possible irregularities City MAY throw up.
And, any lower leagues may not want to accept City also.
I think most likely a deal will be made where City accept some of the charges and the premier league drop, or are unable to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt some charges.

I would guess at a huge fine and a large points deduction, enough to keep them out of the European spots so they are punished for the following European campaign.

Least likely result will be City getting away scot free……. Unless they have irrefutable proof of innocence and in that instance the EPL could be in big trouble themselves, from City’s lawyers and possibly other EPL clubs that have fallen foul of the EPL rules that could be shown to be unlawful.
 
This isn't a court case, so beyond reasonable doubt not needed here at all. Also, they can't do what they did for the UEFA case as they cannot appeal to the court of arbitration for sport.
 
Isn't 115 charges dating back to 2010?
 
If nothing serious happens to Manchester City with 115 breaches.....

- Every club in England can do the same!!!
The door will be open for more cheating.

- The Premier League will be a laughing stock.....their brand will get serious issues in the future!!!!
 
Going to be a huge moment for English football, be interested to see if they can buy there way out of this. As the United fans sang on Sunday, you know what you are...
 
Is there any precedent for a points deduction that extends to more than one season going forward? If they were not relegated three or four times over, is it possible to have a team contend with starting the next three seasons on -30 points? I'd quite like that personally. Would cement that it is all hollow and it would completely feck them over in the medium term.
 
Iffin said:
My feeling is a direct relegation will pass a problem onto another league that might not be able to handle any possible irregularities City MAY throw up.
And, any lower leagues may not want to accept City also.
I think most likely a deal will be made where City accept some of the charges and the premier league drop, or are unable to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt some charges.

I would guess at a huge fine and a large points deduction, enough to keep them out of the European spots so they are punished for the following European campaign.

Least likely result will be City getting away scot free……. Unless they have irrefutable proof of innocence and in that instance the EPL could be in big trouble themselves, from City’s lawyers and possibly other EPL clubs that have fallen foul of the EPL rules that could be shown to be unlawful.
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Don't know how many times this has to be repeated. City cannot just be relegated.
 
alexthelion said:
They can be thrown out of the EPL though, which would amount to the same thing.
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They can be expelled or kicked out however you want to put it, then they have to reapply to the football league for membership, who can decide where they start from in the pyramid.

That's not the same as relegation.
 
Flying high said:
I have absolutely no sympathy for the city fans that have cheered them on all these years.
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Me neither. They're honestly the worst fans I've seen in football. If you so much as say a word about City after losing to them, get ready to hear their awful fans all squeal "Cope" at the top of their lungs.

Get ready for the onslaught of relentless mockery if you mention the charges with such lovely sayings like "Show us on the doll where Pep hurt you" "I'm so glad our great club has upset so many people" "LOL Pep has got you all so triggered".

This rotten club has attracted the worst human beings imaginable as fans. Someone said on Reddit that City fans are like kids who play Call of Duty with aimbot and then mock the other team for losing. Pretty accurate description.

I hope City are expelled from the PL for good just to silence their horrible fans.
 
Oranges038 said:
They can be expelled or kicked out however you want to put it, then they have to reapply to the football league for membership, who can decide where they start from in the pyramid.

That's not the same as relegation.
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Exactly.
It’ll be up to the football league what to do with them if/when that happens. They won’t be under any obligation to accept them.
 
They'll be found guilty but let off with a huge fine that is absolutely no problem to pay for the Abu Dhabi Investment Fund.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
Me neither. They're honestly the worst fans I've seen in football. If you so much as say a word about City after losing to them, get ready to hear their awful fans all squeal "Cope" at the top of their lungs.

Get ready for the onslaught of relentless mockery if you mention the charges with such lovely sayings like "Show us on the doll where Pep hurt you" "I'm so glad our great club has upset so many people" "LOL Pep has got you all so triggered".

This rotten club has attracted the worst human beings imaginable as fans. Someone said on Reddit that City fans are like kids who play Call of Duty with aimbot and then mock the other team for losing. Pretty accurate description.

I hope City are expelled from the PL for good just to silence their horrible fans.
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This aimbot....can he play CDM?
 
I think stripping City of their previous title wins would mean very little since there will be no replacement winners anyway. I would rather wish them gets points deducted and be barred from Europe for 10 years!
 
Adz_99 said:
I genuinely don't understand why it's taken so long for this to come around. Murder cases are done and dusted in less time.
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Isn't there over a decade of cheating to unpack? The fact that it's taken so long suggests to me they're serious and it's not just going to be a slap on the wrist.
 
Am I the only one that wonders if the change in government has anything to do with it FINALLY moving forwards?
 
Verdict in early 2025 seems nice - this way Pep can’t play a full season without having to be confronted with it all.
 
Beachryan said:
Am I the only one that wonders if the change in government has anything to do with it FINALLY moving forwards?
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I posted a few months ago that a change of government could see things move forward quickly, and was shouted down by a few people. Glad to see someone else thinks it's a possibility.
 
They'll get an unprecedented punishment, monetary and league points but I doubt it'll stretch beyond a single season in terms of impact

They could be docked 50+ points and will still likely stay up. If they win the cl or FAC they'll still qualify for Europe so it's back to normal next season anyway

I think the stripping of titles absolutely should happen. It's the only real way of having some legacy to this sorry affair. Their resources will quickly overcome any sporting punishment anyway so there needs to be a lasting record of this and a big black mark against every unearned trophy should be it
 
Iffin said:
My feeling is a direct relegation will pass a problem onto another league that might not be able to handle any possible irregularities City MAY throw up.
And, any lower leagues may not want to accept City also.
I think most likely a deal will be made where City accept some of the charges and the premier league drop, or are unable to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt some charges.

I would guess at a huge fine and a large points deduction, enough to keep them out of the European spots so they are punished for the following European campaign.

Least likely result will be City getting away scot free……. Unless they have irrefutable proof of innocence and in that instance the EPL could be in big trouble themselves, from City’s lawyers and possibly other EPL clubs that have fallen foul of the EPL rules that could be shown to be unlawful.
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What irrefutable proof could City have for failing to comply with evidence requests? It was sitting in PL's spam folder all along?
 
GaryLifo said:
This isn't a court case, so beyond reasonable doubt not needed here at all. Also, they can't do what they did for the UEFA case as they cannot appeal to the court of arbitration for sport.
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I think the PL is different as it's a cooperative. All 20 members agree to rules and self govern with the FA stepping in as the middle man and impartial party.
 
Adz_99 said:
I genuinely don't understand why it's taken so long for this to come around. Murder cases are done and dusted in less time.
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Civil cases always take a lot longer than criminal ones. Also City have an army of lawyers and have delayed this heavily. They are better funded than their opposition (the Prem) - as shown by counter-suing over APT.

It surprises me that people are surprised this is taking ages, there is SO much to untangle and you have a party (City) actively trying to make this as complicated as possible.
 
If they're found guilty it seems ridiculous to not strip the titles. The titles are a direct result of the cheating.

As I've said all along i think this will come to very little, with too much money, influence and behind closed doors factors at play. At worst a slap on the wrist that sounds dramatic like a 25 point deduction or something. They'd still probably come top 4
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Absolutely nothing will happen, Manchester City will just keep dragging it through the courts and beat the PL with money, the PL don’t even come close to how much City can throw at this.

Justice system is great isn’t it.
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Well this isn't true. The PL have more than enough money to take on Man City. People forget that the PL is the world's 5th largest economies biggest soft power export. The PL is also playing this on home terf. Let's not pretend that the PL is some kind of pauper organisation.

As I have outlined on numerous occasions, the PL never had to bring this down on City as they had a 'get out of jail' card with the UEFA decision and owing to its' structure it doesn't have to disclose everything.

Thus, they must be serious and have a case they know that will win as otherwise they're going to look like complete clowns if City get away with it.

The question is really, what happens to City? My prediction is as follows:

1) City keep their trophies - PL won't want to dig too much into PL past standings as it could open a can of worms.

2) City will get a points deduction to essentially relegate them. Think 70 points+.

I do reckon they will avoid being thrown out. That will again be due to the PL wanting to protect the product as chucking them out will cause issues with fixtures.

At that point the real interesting bit will come into play, which is: do they EFL accept them?

My money is on yes, if not it is an extinction level event for City.
 
Dave Smith said:
Well this isn't true. The PL have more than enough money to take on Man City. People forget that the PL is the world's 5th largest economies biggest soft power export. The PL is also playing this on home terf. Let's not pretend that the PL is some kind of pauper organisation.

As I have outlined on numerous occasions, the PL never had to bring this down on City as they had a 'get out of jail' card with the UEFA decision and owing to its' structure it doesn't have to disclose everything.

Thus, they must be serious and have a case they know that will win as otherwise they're going to look like complete clowns if City get away with it.

The question is really, what happens to City? My prediction is as follows:

1) City keep their trophies - PL won't want to dig too much into PL past standings as it could open a can of worms.

2) City will get a points deduction to essentially relegate them. Think 70 points+.

I do reckon they will avoid being thrown out. That will again be due to the PL wanting to protect the product as chucking them out will cause issues with fixtures.

At that point the real interesting bit will come into play, which is: do they EFL accept them?

My money is on yes, if not it is an extinction level event for City.
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Very good post. As you may know I have been saying something like this for a long time. My thread calling them cheats was shut down here after they won the league. My bet is on league two. There is a point where stonewalling and obstruction starts to work against you. The effect they will want is to make that kind of cheating counter productive. So watch out for a punishment that affects 2/3 seasons. And watch out for further charges relating to more recent seasons.
 
I do think their lack of transfer activity could be related to this personally.

Relegation (via a huge points deduction) and an astronomical fine is my prediction.

I refuse to believe they will get away with it, especially after what we have seen recently for Forest and Everton for far less serious offences.
 
SER19 said:
If they're found guilty it seems ridiculous to not strip the titles. The titles are a direct result of the cheating.

As I've said all along i think this will come to very little, with too much money, influence and behind closed doors factors at play. At worst a slap on the wrist that sounds dramatic like a 25 point deduction or something. They'd still probably come top 4
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Yeah I've said it til I'm blue in the face but anything less than taking away the titles will legitimize them and also make it look absolutely worth it for any team looking to do this in the future. 6 or 7 titles for one bad season with deductions? Decent.
 
Solius said:
Yeah I've said it til I'm blue in the face but anything less than taking away the titles will legitimize them and also make it look absolutely worth it for any team looking to do this in the future. 6 or 7 titles for one bad season with deductions? Decent.
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It'd be like finding out an athlete was doping for three World championship wins, then punishing him only by saying you can't compete this year.
 
Solius said:
Yeah I've said it til I'm blue in the face but anything less than taking away the titles will legitimize them and also make it look absolutely worth it for any team looking to do this in the future. 6 or 7 titles for one bad season with deductions? Decent.
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You're dead right. It shouldn't even matter than stripping them away means those seasons went without a winner, it should set a precent to show cheating will not result in success otherwise everyone will do it for the meagre punishment they will get.
 
So cool to know that even disappointment can be scheduled these days.
 
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