So many possibilitiesTitle update?
So many possibilitiesTitle update?
Why wouldn’t he? In many ways, he’s on another level to that.Khaldoon thinks he’s some sort of Don Mafia boss doesn’t he.
Hopefully. The PL I hope win and turn vindictive, all within their rules of course.This is going to be bad for them. If they lose the case you can bet the FA will throw the strongest punishment against them (hopefully relegation and stripping of titles)
Probably notWill it be officially revealed as to which clubs are standing with them?
I really really hope that United aren’t one of them. I’d hope that they learnt from the whole SL fiascoWill it be officially revealed as to which clubs are standing with them?
I really really hope that United aren’t one of them. I’d hope that they learnt from the whole SL fiasco
My eyes are wide open, he’s that bent he couldn’t lie straight in bed.Don't forget the Pep whose previous team (including people who are high ranking members of City) paid the head of the Spanish referees 8.5 million euros in 'consulting fees' in cash.
He's as crooked as the rest of them. He's a huge hypocrite, don't let his public persona fool you.
Don’t agree. The SL is a vehicle for the richest clubs to in the short term dig themselves out of a financial pickle and in the longer term become richer. And that doesn’t necessarily mean that the fans will benefit from better teams or cheaper ticket prices. It’ll just be more money in the pockets of people like the glazersThe whole 115 stuff pretty much underlines exactly why the SL should happen.
Don't forget the Pep whose previous team (including people who are high ranking members of City) paid the head of the Spanish referees 8.5 million euros in 'consulting fees' in cash.
He's as crooked as the rest of them. He's a huge hypocrite, don't let his public persona fool you.
Is the correct answer. As I said previously in another thread it's hard to rank him as one of the greats given two of the three teams he's been involved with have been the subject of serious allegations of cheating of one form or another
Don’t agree. The SL is a vehicle for the richest clubs to in the short term dig themselves out of a financial pickle and in the longer term become richer. And that doesn’t necessarily mean that the fans will benefit from better teams or cheaper ticket prices. It’ll just be more money in the pockets of people like the glazers
I fundamentally disagree with a reset that is benefitting to the biggest clubsConsidering how things are going, with UEFA, FIFA and the PL, i'm not so sure it would be much of a problem. A reset is needed.
They've got to go, they're causing so much damage to the PL, can't they just boot them out? What's stopping them? How can they be sued if it's a private competition? If someone was in my house and I didn't want them there I have every right to throw them out.
FFP plus a wage cap is literally all that’s needed.I fundamentally disagree with a reset that is benefitting to the biggest clubs
FFP plus a wage cap is literally all that’s needed.
Jesus
Man City and Chelsea aren't companies though, they are football clubs.
It's probably money, no?They've got to go, they're causing so much damage to the PL, can't they just boot them out? What's stopping them? How can they be sued if it's a private competition? If someone was in my house and I didn't want them there I have every right to throw them out.
I fundamentally disagree with a reset that is benefitting to the biggest clubs
Well City cheated so I’m assuming they would have just circumvented a salary cap, so for them it makes no difference.Not sure how that will help in regards to UEFA and FIFA.
Or change anything in regards to PL and 115
Stefan Borson is live on Talksport discussing at the moment
He thinks it is unlikely City will win this case.
Thats what I think, just get rid of them.
But if we look at this objectively, City wouldn't do this without a reason. A few weeks ago reports came out that the govt had meeting and the city charges were brought up as a topic of conversation. I feel that City owners feel they have govt backing so are untouchable.
If anything, this latest action would suggest Abu Dhabi haven't receive the kinds of assurances from the Govt that they assumed. It seems like a desperation move to me, which makes sense with the Tories likely not in power beyond the summer. These aren't the actions of an organisation quietly confident of dismissing the charges.
Good. Fight fire with fire.
You have highlighted the potential short term damage, but to allow them to continue would lead to catastrophic long term damage IMO, as you have said it is essentially in the interest of clubs to cheat and bend the rules to gain an unfair advantage because the punishment is not adequate and the rewards are great. The rest of the PL must see this, and also there is an elephant in the room in Newcastle who must be keeping a very close eye on this... if you are setting a precedent that cheating will be punished but the punishment in relative terms will be a minor temporary inconvenience then the future and integrity of the league is at stake. There can easily be more Chelsea's, City's and Newcastle's, there are more wealthy states out there. The Government cannot let the PL become a playground of lite-proxy wars.It's probably money, no?
I don't particularly see Manchester City as a big club still... But money talks. Because of what they've been able to do and establish, they probably bring in significant financial gain through multiple channels for the FA/Premier League and those funds will go a long way toward the football pyramid, grassroots development and of course, lining the pockets of the fattest of cats. It's to be seen how much short-term damage this would cause for the FA/PL if they were banished, but I do think it is a point that has to be made (assuming the allegations are correct which at this point it seems almost impossible they are not).
I've said this all along and it seems to be glossed over by the vast majority of media covering this story... Banishment, multi-tier relegation, stripping of honours won over the period in question are a must if the integrity of the game is to be protected. Manchester City have most likely earned all of this through cheating if the expected outcome is met. What's more, they have been able to develop their youth set up, stadium, and training facilities which is why I don't think just a relegation, even if multi-tier, is enough. Because they have been able to establish themselves in such a way that they would climb the pyramid again within a few years.
All this says to me is "You might as well cheat", because the trajectory you have gained is astronomical in such a short space of time that most possible punishments are only going to set you back a miniscule amount. Man City could realistically set up their own tournaments to play 'friendlies' against teams that are in their off-season or winter breaks who want match fitness. They can play their youth players in the Championship/League 1 to develop them, and loan out key players they want to retain when they're back in the Premier League. It's just such complicated situation and they will find ways around it, and come back up to the Premier League with money to spare by being in the green every season through legal loopholes. It just stinks.
Well City cheated so I’m assuming they would have just circumvented a salary cap, so for them it makes no difference.
But as the poster said the issue football has, which is no one’s fault, is it would be much more entertaining to have different winners and teams rising and falling. We used to have this and really a team only ever could be elite for 2-3 seasons before rebuilding but the state ownership (unlimited money) + cheating meant that never happened. Without cheating in these last few seasons we’d have seen United, Pool, Arsenal all win the league. A non cheating City in certain would also have a won a couple by now.
This is much better than 1 team winning but the issue remains it’s the same ‘big’ clubs. A wage cap would make it much harder for these big clubs, ourselves included, to dominate whilst FFP essentially forces investors to safeguard the actual clubs and incentivises academy and infrastructure regeneration.
lets hope this is the case.
Its annoying cause City always get away with it.
Heard a rumour it's the barcodes and VillaWill it be officially revealed as to which clubs are standing with them?
Well City cheated so I’m assuming they would have just circumvented a salary cap, so for them it makes no difference.
But as the poster said the issue football has, which is no one’s fault, is it would be much more entertaining to have different winners and teams rising and falling. We used to have this and really a team only ever could be elite for 2-3 seasons before rebuilding but the state ownership (unlimited money) + cheating meant that never happened. Without cheating in these last few seasons we’d have seen United, Pool, Arsenal all win the league. A non cheating City in certain would also have a won a couple by now.
This is much better than 1 team winning but the issue remains it’s the same ‘big’ clubs. A wage cap would make it much harder for these big clubs, ourselves included, to dominate whilst FFP essentially forces investors to safeguard the actual clubs and incentivises academy and infrastructure regeneration.
It’s also not sustainable, and a classic “much-richer-than-you” tactic is to drain the coffers of the poorer and beat them via financial muscle.There's another way to view it: City's investigation dodging and instigation of a game of legal top trumps has effectively diverted money from grassroots football and community projects into the pockets of lawyers.
If that sounds like it's stretching, City have argued that being financially compliant will force them to divert money from the very same things!