[Leftback99]

He gets bullied physically every game.

 

[Ralaks]

He gets bullied physically every game.

Yeah, it was pretty obvious Wolves targeted him for pressure the second he had the ball.

He has suprisingly little press resistancy

 

[RDCR07]

He gets bullied physically every game.

True but half the time he doesn’t even need to get bullied to give up possession. He manages that on his own very well.

 

[Leftback99]

Yeah, it was pretty obvious Wolves targeted him for pressure the second he had the ball.

He has suprisingly little press resistancy

Yep I think every team targets him.

 

[Adisa]

His short comings are evident we have all seen enough of him to know what they are .

I don’t doubt there are players that suit the position and system more but we don’t have them at the moment. Bruno simply put is probably our best option at the moment.

He never is and never was captain material. You can’t complain at players the way he does about lost possession when you so careless with the ball yourself.

Where we go from here is a problem. Push Bruno out and we lose a player who does have quality and work rate but is not an optimal fit. Chance creation probably goes down and we are lacking in that department already.

I don’t disagree with any of that. My main point is that his flaws aren’t because he wants to win more than anyone else. They are inherent in his game.

 

[Adisa]

A better player but no doubt in my mind Maguire was the better captain.
I would like to see the stats on how many duels he loses. Seems so come second best in every 50:50. That’s shocking for a captain.
The worst part is he then rolls on the floor then gets up to start waving his hands.

He’s a nuisance. Such an unlikable player. His first reaction yesterday was to blame Dalot for the pass.

 

[Kostov]

We would have been just as bad if he stayed on the pitch. Lost everything he touched up till the red card.

 

[mattunited1978]

As fecking infuriating as his red was, his performance up to that point was just as bad, absolutely shocking, as usual, from start to finish.

Genuinely cant stand him, sooner he's gone, the better

 

[RedIan]

Standard chaotic Bruno.flatters to decieve.

 

[Judas]

We didn't really look like we were down to ten men when he'd gone off.

 

[DJ_21]

We can blame Bruno all we like but let’s face it, we wasn’t winning the game with 11 men either. We actually looked better with 10 men.

 

[diawl_coch]

Would we better being used off the bench when more tactically effective.

Very frustrating to see him lose possession persistently, very often when trying wonder balls in our own half. Loses possession under the press too much as well.

 

[Adisa]

Very irresponsible.

 

[NZT-One]

I dunno mate, I hope you're right. Bruno seems to be one of the few players that's never rotated, which worries me that Ruben sees him as a pivotal player for him.

I was at least glad to see him taken off the corners for a change!

Worries me too but to be honest, it isn't like the manager has options in abundance. And for all the bad stuff that comes with him, he pops up with good passes in a regular basis plus is captain and always available. It really is a tricky issue to deal with.

His short comings are evident we have all seen enough of him to know what they are .

I don’t doubt there are players that suit the position and system more but we don’t have them at the moment. Bruno simply put is probably our best option at the moment.

He never is and never was captain material. You can’t complain at players the way he does about lost possession when you so careless with the ball yourself.

Where we go from here is a problem. Push Bruno out and we lose a player who does have quality and work rate but is not an optimal fit. Chance creation probably goes down and we are lacking in that department already.

Yeah, well said.

Yeah, it was pretty obvious Wolves targeted him for pressure the second he had the ball.

He has suprisingly little press resistancy

He never had that. His close control isn't anything to look out for and for quite some time, he looks closer to Eriksen and Mata in terms of strength. Thats a diabolical combination. But, at the same time, when the opposition as as aggressive as they are yesterday, it also opens up space and there aren't many better players to see and execute a pass into there. I would also compliment Wolves yesterday, the way they bullied us all over the pitch was very impressive. It wasn't just Bruno who struggled even though there is no denial that he might have been the one to struggle the most.

We didn't really look like we were down to ten men when he'd gone off.

But I guess, that was also down to Wolves trying to switch away from their initial gameplan to something a little more reserved. I think, this didn't work too well for them and they got increasingly nervous.

 

[Shane88]

Very irresponsible.

3 kicks he had in about 10 seconds. Fecking child.

 

[Mickeza]

He isn’t close to being dynamic enough in that 10 role. Only chance he had under Amorim is deeper. His sending off yesterday was a disgrace. Completely threw his manager and teammates under the bus.

 

[Adisa]

3 kicks he had in about 10 seconds. Fecking child.

He has the same attitude when in possession. How many times have we tried to recycle possession or needed to keep the ball to maintain an attack and he takes a wild punt of a pass, a silly flick or a shot from a ridiculous range. The fact he never gets a bollocking from teammates is testament to how shit they are as well.

 

[Bastian]

We can blame Bruno all we like but let’s face it, we wasn’t winning the game with 11 men either. We actually looked better with 10 men.

That's a funny defense for Bruno. I agree, we looked better.

 

[LeonDion]

Very irresponsible.

How many videos of this type you can find with Bruno. He is petty and petulant. The one at Anfield 7-0 is the worst yet here is another example. All these years later he still making the same idiot decision to challenge ref to book him because he himself did not get what he thinks he deserves.

The ironic thing is that while Bruno here is showing zero regards to the club, his manager or his teammate. It is exactly this characteristic that fools PM of his Fan Club to think he actually cares. Not the cleverest.

 

[Greck]

Defending Bruno is becoming like reading a repeat offender's charges.

 

[TsuWave]

There's a disparity between what he's good at, and what people think he's good at - that always seems to muddle conversations about him. Take this tweet for example:



The things he says Bruno is good at, he isn’t. And the stuff he says Bruno is bad at are actually some of the things he’s good at.

Bruno is careless in possession, and regularly gives the ball away - but he does track back. In fact, his availability and fitness levels are the only attributes I consider outstanding.

People see him as this creative, brilliant passer - when in reality he's a cardio specialist with good vision and free license to attempt as many crazy passes as possible (eventually some do come off - which becomes confirmation bias ground for “brilliant creative passer”).

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

It’s time to move on from Bruno, if we can. In my opinion, there’s no questioning his heart and his work ethic. He truly does give it all he has, and he’s capable of some amazing play at times. That said, it’s gotten to the point where the negatives outweigh the positives. He’s incredibly chaotic. He’s ill-disciplined positionally and much too careless with the ball. He’s simply not built for possession based football. His defensive instincts are poor, despite his effort. Compounding the problems, he’s lost a half a yard of pace (and he was never a burner to begin with). It’s evident in the number of cards he’s received over the last year. None of his challenges are made with malice - they’re merely clumsy and poorly timed, because he’s just a bit behind the play (not unlike Casemiro). He doesn’t have the on-pitch persona that most would like to see of a United captain, and doesn’t seem to have the relsevt of officials. At his age, none of this is going to improve and he shouldn’t be considered a cornerstone of a rebuilt squad. Add his wage into the equation, and selling is the obvious move.

Yep-1000% agree with that. I nickname him our Captain Chaos.

The worry is that he was an untouchable with OGS and ETH and now he has a fellow Portugese manager he may become even more untouchable. Let's see..

 

[Grande]

There's a disparity between what he's good at, and what people think he's good at - that always seems to muddle conversations about him. Take this tweet for example:



The things he says Bruno is good at, he isn’t. And the stuff he says Bruno is bad at are actually some of the things he’s good at.

Bruno is careless in possession, and regularly gives the ball away - but he does track back. In fact, his availability and fitness levels are the only attributes I consider outstanding.

People see him as this creative, brilliant passer - when in reality he's a cardio specialist with good vision and free license to attempt as many crazy passes as possible (eventually some do come off - which becomes confirmation bias ground for “brilliant creative passer”).

I think you have many good points here, whereas Winter shows that he just doesn’t follow United as scrupulously as most United fans do.

The only think I’d challenge with you is the local myth that Bruno isn’t a brilliant creative passer, just a stat monger. It’s a narrative that is not reflected in facts. True, Bruno hits more penetrative passes than most, but this is because he is asked to by coaches and expected to by teammates, and the reason for that again is that he executes opening passes on a higher scale than 99% of other players.

United have seen players like Pogba, Mata, Sancho, Herrera, Eriksen, Casemiro, Schweinsteiger, Mount, Mainoo, Diallo tasked with creating from penetrative passing in one way ot the other, but no one is even close to his output in that regard. Even an out of form Bruno produces more keys, ExA, Chance involvements, successful progressive passes in opponents half than any other United player, and the that is probably the main reason why we drop in creativity everytime Bruno is out, regardless of manager, other players, his form etc.

I think Bruno is in a bad spot this season, he cuts a frustrating figure and makes more errors than I’ve ever seen. And the three red cards are idiotic, to say the least, and have cost the team.

I still think some people (not you) should remember that the last time one United player received three red cards in one season, was Nemanja Vidic in 2008/2009. It doesn’t necessarily (again) prove what people want it to prove.

 

[Greck]

The worry is that he was an untouchable with OGS and ETH and now he has a fellow Portugese manager he may become even more untouchable. Let's see..

Murtough and co rushed and renewed him for 350k before ETH even had a chance to evaluate him. Not that that one wouldn't have replaced him with an even worse signing from the dutch league

 

[NZT-One]

There's a disparity between what he's good at, and what people think he's good at - that always seems to muddle conversations about him. Take this tweet for example:



The things he says Bruno is good at, he isn’t. And the stuff he says Bruno is bad at are actually some of the things he’s good at.

Bruno is careless in possession, and regularly gives the ball away - but he does track back. In fact, his availability and fitness levels are the only attributes I consider outstanding.

People see him as this creative, brilliant passer - when in reality he's a cardio specialist with good vision and free license to attempt as many crazy passes as possible (eventually some do come off - which becomes confirmation bias ground for “brilliant creative passer”).

Very good point. So odd to read those things about him.

 

[Musclehead]

Bruno Fernandes represents the issues at Manchester United. The fact is the entire team is what the standings show. This is a 14th place team, with a 14th place captain leading them. While I would suggest that Amorim have better setup to play to the strengths, what few there are, it is what it is. Perhaps he is showing everyone what most knew? A lot made excuses but you cannot get around the fact this is a poor team especially for the expectation at Manchester United. How far we have fallen!

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

What Bruno got is great stamina, good work rate and often an eye for a good pass. On the other hand he is too slow, his passes might often be good in theory but the execution is poor, he gets bullied off the ball too easily, moans too much and is not disciplined enough when it comes to positioning.
Overall a decent footballer but not worth what we pay for him and not a good fit for what Amorim would like to do.
He is one of the few players who is still rated so I would try to sell him asap.

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

Murtough and co rushed and renewed him for 350k before ETH even had a chance to evaluate him. Not that that one wouldn't have replaced him with an even worse signing from the dutch league

ETH's "evaluation" of Bruno could be seen with the manager selecting him every match and giving him the captaincy

 

[JPRouve]

There's a disparity between what he's good at, and what people think he's good at - that always seems to muddle conversations about him. Take this tweet for example:



The things he says Bruno is good at, he isn’t. And the stuff he says Bruno is bad at are actually some of the things he’s good at.

Bruno is careless in possession, and regularly gives the ball away - but he does track back. In fact, his availability and fitness levels are the only attributes I consider outstanding.

People see him as this creative, brilliant passer - when in reality he's a cardio specialist with good vision and free license to attempt as many crazy passes as possible (eventually some do come off - which becomes confirmation bias ground for “brilliant creative passer”).

Exactly, Bruno is a "volume" creator, there is zero efficiency in the way he creates and it's not conducive to improving or increasing teamwide creation because he cannibalizes the entire process. That kind of player are very useful if you are struggling during the last 30 minutes of a game and are trying to mount a comeback, which by the way was very common during Ole's second to last season, we were terrible for one half generally the first one and would throw the kitchen sink at the opposition in the second half, led by Bruno. Many people interpreted that as Bruno being great but that's ignoring the fact that we were consistently terrible whenever control was required or against any team that was properly organized.

If the game is broken and the ball goes up and down the field with little restriction then there aren't a lot of players that I would rather have than Bruno, he absolutely thrives in that environment, he is the king of "Hero Football". If you have to play as a team and maneuver precisely then Bruno is one of the worst creative players to have.

I'm 100% sure that someone like SAF or Mourinho would have a place for him in any of their best teams but it would be as a bench option that wouldn't see the field every weeks.

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

Concerns about Bruno giving the ball away too often were evident before we even signed him.

If you remember, there was talk of signing him in the summer of 2019 but United scouts deemed he did not really fit the profile of a reliable, possession based midfielder. If you trawl old Google results from 2019 then you will find the links e.g.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Fernandes-signing-midfielder-took-risks.html

 

[Robbie Boy]

Each to their own. I preferred the days we were at least a top 4 challenging side myself.

Yeah, no trophies but that 2nd place finish was the stuff of dreams.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Can't wait until the day we are rid of him, Maguire and Rashford.

 

[Baneofthegame]

He’s the same player he’s always been, don’t think he suits a possession system, his finishing has deserted him, his head goes when we need it the most.

Think we should push Mainoo into his position.

 

[zurnalist]

His perfomance was unacceptable and he has been very frustrating and wasteful throughout the season, yet he is one of the only ones to create something in attack and has 16 goal involvements: he is till a level above of most other attacking players in terms of actual output.

I agree with the criticism: lately he is a luxury player, loses possession a lot and hence not suitable to play as a deeplying playmaker. Yet I don't think he is the main culprit for our failure. There are so many more useless players who don't even offer the limited value he offers: Zirkzee, Mount, Malacia, Antony, Rashford have mostly been totally useless, Garnacho even more unstable; Eriksen has been playing well but in his age he is even more limited physically and doesnt have any output; even Mainoo is struggling to show a good perfomance. To single out Bruno as a bigger problem than all those players seems a bit reactionary to me. Let's see how we will do next game without him, especially in attack. Unfortunately, usually we have sucked even more when he is not around so I don't believe at all that selling him will solve any issues unless the money is really great and we can use that to replace him with quality (who is 100% guaranteed success in the market to replace him?)

If we do better without him, I would be suprised but open to consider a near future without him.

 

[lost7]

His perfomance was unacceptable and he has been very frustrating and wasteful throughout the season, yet he is one of the only ones to create something in attack and has 16 goal involvements: he is till a level above of most other attacking players in terms of actual output.

I agree with the criticism: lately he is a luxury player, loses possession a lot and hence not suitable to play as a deeplying playmaker. Yet I don't think he is the main culprit for our failure. There are so many more useless players who don't even offer the limited value he offers: Zirkzee, Mount, Malacia, Antony, Rashford have mostly been totally useless, Garnacho even more unstable; Eriksen has been playing well but in his age he is even more limited physically and doesnt have any output; even Mainoo is struggling to show a good perfomance. To single out Bruno as a bigger problem than all those players seems a bit reactionary to me. Let's see how we will do next game without him, especially in attack. Unfortunately, usually we have sucked even more when he is not around so I don't believe at all that selling him will solve any issues unless the money is really great and we can use that to replace him with quality (who is 100% guaranteed success in the market to replace him?)

If we do better without him, I would be suprised but open to consider a near future without him.

He's 30 years old, is on 300k a week and is the captain. None of the players you listed are anywhere near as important as Bruno, so of course he should get more criticism. After Rashford, Eriksen, Shaw, Mount, he should be the next to go

 

[JustinC00]

He needs to be dropped to the bench going forward. He's become a liability

 

[Rex Banner]

There's a disparity between what he's good at, and what people think he's good at - that always seems to muddle conversations about him. Take this tweet for example:



The things he says Bruno is good at, he isn’t. And the stuff he says Bruno is bad at are actually some of the things he’s good at.

Bruno is careless in possession, and regularly gives the ball away - but he does track back. In fact, his availability and fitness levels are the only attributes I consider outstanding.

People see him as this creative, brilliant passer - when in reality he's a cardio specialist with good vision and free license to attempt as many crazy passes as possible (eventually some do come off - which becomes confirmation bias ground for “brilliant creative passer”).

Well said. The tracking back argument is so fecking lazy, especially from a "top" journalist like Winter.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Most overrated United player I’ve seen

No.

 

[Greck]

We're worse without him because we are built around having him as a creative hub and approach transfer business with that in mind. If he's available play him but it can also be true that we need to grow the team to have proper footballers in his role or even just any important role for that matter. Pogba, De Gea and now Rashford were also the best at the club at their roles and we still needed to move on.

 

[Based Adnan]

Murtough and co rushed and renewed him for 350k before ETH even had a chance to evaluate him. Not that that one wouldn't have replaced him with an even worse signing from the dutch league

He renewed his contract in August just gone under Ineos. EtH had plenty of time to evaluate him.