[afrocentricity]

 

[Lyng]

I disagree. Starting 11 every game, not a chance.

Then here you have it, I disagree, there are multiple reasons he would not be an everyday starting 11. I would go into them, but you still wouldn't comprehend the "why".

What are those reasons? He is decidedly more productive than Ødegaard and more versatile and id argue defensively far more sound.
Curtis Jones we shouldnt even be discussing as he isnt on eithers level.

 

[Freak]

This is brilliant to see. We need more leaders like him on the pitch

 

[#07]

Can't be true. You have to ignore the evidence of your eyes. You have to ignore the way his teammates respond to Bruno. You have to ignore the way former teammates respond to Bruno e.g., Elanga.

Talksport says Bruno is not a leader, as do many on the CAF, therefore it must be true.

Bruno's the problem. He must be stripped of the captaincy. We will not be able to be successful as long as he's in the team, ghosting against top opposition e.g., at the Emirates last weekend, Anfield the week before that, making no look assists in an FA Cup final against Man City, scoring from 40 yards against Liverpool last season. Constantly going missing in big moments against big teams.

People who rate Bruno, like Pep Guardiola, Arne Slot, several United managers, they just don't know ball. He's a volume merchant playing hero ball every week. Forget the number of chances he creates, the number of big chances he creates, the number of shot creating actions he creates. Just stat padding. We can and must replace him as soon as possible.

Am I doing it right?

 

[romufc]

Can't be true. You have to ignore the evidence of your eyes. You have to ignore the way his teammates respond to Bruno. You have to ignore the way former teammates respond to Bruno e.g., Elanga.

Talksport says Bruno is not a leader, as do many on the CAF, therefore it must be true.

Bruno's the problem. He must be stripped of the captaincy. We will not be able to be successful as long as he's in the team, ghosting against top opposition e.g., at the Emirates last weekend, Anfield the week before that, making no look assists in an FA Cup final against Man City, scoring from 40 yards against Liverpool last season. Constantly going missing in big moments against big teams.

People who rate Bruno, like Pep Guardiola, Arne Slot, several United managers, they just don't know ball. He's a volume merchant playing hero ball every week. Forget the number of chances he creates, the number of big chances he creates, the number of shot creating actions he creates. Just stat padding. We can and must replace him as soon as possible.

Am I doing it right?

We will never win anything big with Bruno in the team. You forgot that line.

Or he can never do it away against a big club.

I have never seen any player / manager for or against United speak ill about Bruno.. I even saw a interview from Aina talk about how good Bruno is and you cant switch off.

People talk about his lack of leadership and composure but every coach we have had has praised Bruno on his leadership and composure... I mean just go watch his penalty in the shootout.

 

[#07]

We will never win anything big with Bruno in the team. You forgot that line.

Or he can never do it away against a big club.

I have never seen any player / manager for or against United speak ill about Bruno.. I even saw a interview from Aina talk about how good Bruno is and you cant switch off.

People talk about his lack of leadership and composure but every coach we have had has praised Bruno on his leadership and composure... I mean just go watch his penalty in the shootout.

My bad. Should have led with that. Its obvious that the first step towards being a title winning team will be to sell Bruno to Saudi. Only chance we have of getting any good money for him. No teams are looking at his performances and thinking he might be worth £10m/£20m. There's actually loads of players who could replace him. If Mount was fit Bruno would already be out of the door.

 

[top1whoisman]

 

[Musclehead]

What are those reasons? He is decidedly more productive than Ødegaard and more versatile and id argue defensively far more sound.
Curtis Jones we shouldnt even be discussing as he isnt on eithers level.

Ok, here are the reasons,
1 - His age is limiting at the position he plays, he plays way to many minutes now due to lack of depth
2 - The depth they have, he doesn't have to be starting 11 every game at the pool, with United they have slim options

With the schedule you have now, even before that, you want your players to be in game shape and not burn them out. Bruno has played way too many minutes. This could be part of the problem. We can compare to yrs gone by, however, those yrs have gone by. Based on the last 2 games he has showed improvement. This guy is playing 90 min every game for the most part. You need to manage minutes and I really do not think this has been done. He shouldn't be on after 70-75 min mark in games that are in hand. Given we have not had a lot of games where the W is on the table management are trying to have a tired player make a difference, unfortunately the difference can go either way.

 

[Musclehead]

My bad. Should have led with that. Its obvious that the first step towards being a title winning team will be to sell Bruno to Saudi. Only chance we have of getting any good money for him. No teams are looking at his performances and thinking he might be worth £10m/£20m. There's actually loads of players who could replace him. If Mount was fit Bruno would already be out of the door.

Thank-you! I totally agree with your comment. In professional sports rarely would you see someone currently in the game call out someone else. However, at the same time, several pundits call him out constantly, Scholes, Neville and Keane who have all won and know what it takes to be champions identify him consistently as being a problem. They understand what the expectation is and realize Bruno is not up to that expectation. In fact reality is, the whole team is not up to the expectations of previous years. Bruno finally hit a shot against Arsenal that I swear he has missed the net 10 times through the season. Then goes from goat to hero. However, those 10 misses prior are the difference between where they are today and challenging for a top 4.

Lets see what he does against lowly SH on the weekend. Is he going to take the foot off the gas as he normally does or play to inspire and lead. These games are now must win.

 

[RuudTom83]

It’s been highlight by everyone, praising the players for good performances against Liverpool and Arsenal is all fone…until they stink the place out against Southampton(?)

United are sitting 15th in the table.

Bruno might just have to go on a run scoring every game to get the team up the league.

So let’s simmer the praise.

 

[AR87]

Ye all that’s good but would you be saying them things if he got a 2nd yellow for a challenge after the way he received the first one?

Yes, because the first yellow he got was absolute nonsense from a ref who made it his entire life mission to feck us over for 120 minutes and gift wrap a victory to Arsenal.

 

[AR87]

Lets see what he does against lowly SH on the weekend. Is he going to take the foot off the gas as he normally does or play to inspire and lead. These games are now must win.

Is this a bit?

 

[Lyng]

Ok, here are the reasons,
1 - His age is limiting at the position he plays, he plays way to many minutes now due to lack of depth
2 - The depth they have, he doesn't have to be starting 11 every game at the pool, with United they have slim options

With the schedule you have now, even before that, you want your players to be in game shape and not burn them out. Bruno has played way too many minutes. This could be part of the problem. We can compare to yrs gone by, however, those yrs have gone by. Based on the last 2 games he has showed improvement. This guy is playing 90 min every game for the most part. You need to manage minutes and I really do not think this has been done. He shouldn't be on after 70-75 min mark in games that are in hand. Given we have not had a lot of games where the W is on the table management are trying to have a tired player make a difference, unfortunately the difference can go either way.

Well ideally he could get some rest I agree, but sadly we don't really have anyone to step in.
We have seen our creativity be non-existing in the games without him.
I also fail to see that as a reason for your argument that he doesnt get in their starting 11.

 

[Red in STL]

Ok, here are the reasons,
1 - His age is limiting at the position he plays, he plays way to many minutes now due to lack of depth
2 - The depth they have, he doesn't have to be starting 11 every game at the pool, with United they have slim options

With the schedule you have now, even before that, you want your players to be in game shape and not burn them out. Bruno has played way too many minutes. This could be part of the problem. We can compare to yrs gone by, however, those yrs have gone by. Based on the last 2 games he has showed improvement. This guy is playing 90 min every game for the most part. You need to manage minutes and I really do not think this has been done. He shouldn't be on after 70-75 min mark in games that are in hand. Given we have not had a lot of games where the W is on the table management are trying to have a tired player make a difference, unfortunately the difference can go either way.

So your argument is that no player should ever be in the starting XI for a teambe at Liverpook because for every game, so that's why Bruno wouldn't be a an 'automatic' pick for Liverpool, good luck convincing Liverpool fans that Salah wouldn't be good for them because he plays too many minutes

You've flipped the argument from he wouldn't get in to Liverpool's side to the problems at United

 

[lost7]

Our best player in the first half, went invisible in the second half. Unlucky not to score when he dinked it

 

[LeonDion]

For all the fanboy talk where is Bruno’s Amad tonight games?

 

[Scandi Red]

I thought that he was decent enough. But tonight Amad and Zirkzee will rightfully steal the headlines.

 

[youngrell]

For all the fanboy talk where is Bruno’s Amad tonight games?

Bruno has won us plenty of matches.

 

[Oranges038]

Didn't think he was that good or bad tonight.

One thing I noticed that really annoyed me, it won't show up on the passing stats, but his short range passing is pretty awful sometimes, he just fcuks the ball at players with shitty passes, poorly weighted or to the wrong side. It's very annoying because those couple of seconds or bit of adjustment the receiver has to make, make it harder for them to take it the ball and move it quickly.

 

[Irwin99]

He was getting very annoyed at the forwards in the first half. Looked really pissed off.

 

[chay chay okocha]

Feels like we can't progress the ball through the midfield unless he's in it. He seems the be the only one able to take balls off our 'wrong footed' wingbacks and open the play - Mainoo was particularly bad at this in the first half with Maz, which kept getting us boxed into tight spaces.

 

[NZT-One]

I thought he was alright, nothing too crazy, a couple of good passes, a couple of bad ones. Will never warm to him in midfield, just too weak. We need somebody next to Ugarte to be able to play it forward in good quality and then Bruno shouldn't appear at the deepest line anymore and can focus up front, or on the bench.

 

[criticalanalysis]

He was getting very annoyed at the forwards in the first half. Looked really pissed off.

That's really not saying much. He's a moan merchant regardless of the team mate or whether he's right or wrong. Hojlund was poor today but Bruno also fecked up many chances with dumb snapshots, poor crosses, hospital balls etc.

 

[BorisManUtd]

He played 120 minutes at Arsenal, 90 tonight and is probably going to play 90 on Sunday. Wish we didn't rely on him this much.

 

[lost7]

That's really not saying much. He's a moan merchant regardless of the team mate or whether he's right or wrong. Hojlund was poor today but Bruno also fecked up many chances with dumb snapshots, poor crosses, hospital balls etc.

I think he was involved in all the good things we did in the first half, but his second half was poor for sure. Hoping he can have a big game against Brighton otherwise those Liverpool Arsenal performances might start to look like a one off

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Still not sure what his best position is in this system. He’s just not really a threat in the traditional sense as a left sided 10, at least not with our current personnel. We look the most dangerous with him at CM creating from deeper and having runners in the front 3.

 

[Frank Grimes]

He was noticeably grimacing in first half. Did he pick up an injury?

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Wish we could rest him but he's too important.

 

[Bastian]

Still not sure what his best position is in this system. He’s just not really a threat in the traditional sense as a left sided 10, at least not with our current personnel. We look the most dangerous with him at CM creating from deeper and having runners in the front 3.

Playing deeper against sides where we have the majority of possession, and higher up against sides that are better than us.

 

[Real Name]

For all the fanboy talk where is Bruno’s Amad tonight games?

A what?

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

For all the fanboy talk where is Bruno’s Amad tonight games?

Did you only start watching United at the time your caf account was created?

 

[Scandi Red]

He's been woeful most of the season, no way he should be getting mentions in a conversation for play of the season.

Quoting you here so we don't ruin the Amad thread.

I think that Bruno has been our best performer overall since Ten Hag got sacked, which was almost 3 months ago. At least comparable to Amad. So for me he's in the conversation.

The reason I put Amad (and possibly Onana and Maz) ahead of him is because they were also good when Ten Hag still had a job.

There's still 4 whole months left and a lot can happen. But like I said; if the vote was today then Amad would rightfully run away with it.

 

[OL29]

Quoting you here so we don't ruin the Amad thread.

I think that Bruno has been our best performer overall since Ten Hag got sacked, which was almost 3 months ago. At least comparable to Amad. So for me he's in the conversation.

The reason I put Amad (and possibly Onana and Maz) ahead of him is because they were also good when Ten Hag still had a job.

There's still 4 whole months left and a lot can happen. But like I said; if the vote was today then Amad would rightfully run away with it.

He's possibly been the best performer outside of the other 3 mentioned but that's more a reflection on our performances as a team rather than Bruno's performances. I'd probably put him on a par with De Ligt and Ugarte. All three have had bright spots over the course of the season but overall they've been too inconsistent to be in the conversation for best player.
You're right that a lot can change in four months and Bruno's been better in recent weeks so we'll see.

 

[Scandi Red]

He's possibly been the best performer outside of the other 3 mentioned but that's more a reflection on our performances as a team rather than Bruno's performances. I'd probably put him on a par with De Ligt and Ugarte. All three have had bright spots over the course of the season but overall they've been too inconsistent to be in the conversation for best player.
You're right that a lot can change in four months and Bruno's been better in recent weeks so we'll see.

For me it goes something like this (the tiers are unordered by the way):

Very good:
- Amad

Good:
- Onana (was in "very good" up until he had those blunders that cost us points)
- Bruno
- Mazraoui

Decent:
- Ugarte (could be bumped up soon)
- Maguire
- De Ligt

The rest have disappointing. And no one has been excellent. Not even Amad.

 

[OL29]

For me it goes something like this (the tiers are unordered by the way):

Very good:
- Amad

Good:
- Onana (was in "very good" up until he had those blunders that cost us points)
- Bruno
- Mazraoui

Decent:
- Ugarte (could be bumped up soon)
- Maguire
- De Ligt

The rest have disappointing. And no one has been excellent. Not even Amad.

I just don't think he's performed well enough to even be in the Good tier. He was piss poor under ETH and has been pretty inconsistent under Amorim. His numbers aren't too bad but they're inflated by penalties. He has 4 open play goals this season I believe. He does have 11 assists which is good but the rest of his game has been severely lacking. Outside of penalties, his stats aren't much better than Garnacho's this season, who's obviously been pretty poor.

 

[Scandi Red]

I just don't think he's performed well enough to even be in the Good tier. He was piss poor under ETH and has been pretty inconsistent under Amorim. His numbers aren't too bad but they're inflated by penalties. He has 4 open play goals this season I believe. He does have 11 assists which is good but the rest of his game has been severely lacking. Outside of penalties, his stats aren't much better than Garnacho's this season, who's obviously been pretty poor.

He has scored 2 penalties this season. Even if you remove those he has the most G/A in the team (shared with Amad I believe). I don't care for G/A per 90 minutes. You get punished for playing a lot (i.e. being fit and liked by the manager).

I disagree that he was "piss poor" between mid August and late October. But he was decent at best.

Since then I would put him in the very good category, which for me averages out to "good". Yes he's had poor games, but so has Amad.

 

[lost7]

For me it goes something like this (the tiers are unordered by the way):

Very good:
- Amad

Good:
- Onana (was in "very good" up until he had those blunders that cost us points)
- Bruno
- Mazraoui

Decent:
- Ugarte (could be bumped up soon)
- Maguire
- De Ligt

The rest have disappointing. And no one has been excellent. Not even Amad.

We are 12th in the league, your standards must be so low if you think 7 of our players have been decent or above. Also if Amad has had a very good season, what is Salah's?

I'd say 3/4 players have been decent this season and that's it, at best. And not a single player's having a very good or good season for goodness sake, we're Manchester United not Leicester City

 

[Musclehead]

So your argument is that no player should ever be in the starting XI for a teambe at Liverpook because for every game, so that's why Bruno wouldn't be a an 'automatic' pick for Liverpool, good luck convincing Liverpool fans that Salah wouldn't be good for them because he plays too many minutes

You've flipped the argument from he wouldn't get in to Liverpool's side to the problems at United

Wrong, I have explained why he always starts for United. He would not start every game if he were at Liverpool. End of story.

 

[Musclehead]

I had countered your reasons and one of your response to my counters is ‘’Robertson being Scottie, tough to the bone’’. You had stated that yours is just based on your opinion without fact to back it up so you can stick with it.

While I could use fact to backup my statement. One of the fact that I could use is Bruno has more goal contributions (G&A) than Odegaard and Curtis Jones.

Your right buddy, Bruno is an absolute star, the best captain United have ever had, in fact the best player ever to wear the red. That is why they are where, 14th, gotta love it. Eric Cantona wakes up every morning and wishes he was as good as Bruno.

 

[Scandi Red]

We are 12th in the league, your standards must be so low if you think 7 of our players have been decent or above.

It's all semantics. In my opinion, if you want to win the league then you need 9 or 10 players in the "good" (or above) category. You can really only afford 1 or 2 players in the "decent" category. Decent is just bare minimum stuff for teams with high ambitions.

And unless it wasn't clear enough, even though I mentioned it, there exists at least one (if not two) tiers above Amad's tier.

So yes, 3 good and 1 very good player sounds about right for a team that's mid table.

Also if Amad has had a very good season, what is Salah's?

Excellent/world class. Which, as you can guess, is one or two levels above "very good".