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2024-25 Performances


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5.5 Season Average Rating
Appearances
33
Goals
7
Assists
12
Yellow cards
7
Red cards
3
Well, according to the Bruno fans he should go down in history as one of the greatest United players of all time. Just for a kick, was sitting with some Arsenal, Spurs and United supporters, mentioned that Bruno is probably one of the best attacking midfielders in the EPL today. This was greeted by laughter from everyone. In fact it was near impossible to keep a straight face myself. Hate to say it people, anyone who can put in writing what I see here, either has never seen a game pre 2013, or is simply delusional. He was insignificant against Fulham and is at best a slightly above avg player. The fact he is a starting 11, little alone wearing the armband, gives to how far this team has fallen. Actually someone said that McTominay would have been better to keep and sell Bruno. This people is the reality of the situation.

Quote the posts? Should be plenty of them for you to make a point of it.
 
He’s sixth in all time combined goals and assists for man united only beaten by giggs, scholes, Beckham, Rooney and cantana with only Eric cantina doing it in less time.

I’m no stat fan but put some respect on his name that’s really really impressive stuff.

All I'd add though is when did they properly start recording assists. There's no data on Charlton, Best etc when it comes to assists.
 
He’s sixth in all time combined goals and assists for man united only beaten by giggs, scholes, Beckham, Rooney and cantana with only Eric cantina doing it in less time.

He actually surpassed Cantona last season.

Like someone else wrote, they didn't start counting assists until the 90's so the holy trinity is excluded. This is the top 10 (you've forgotten some names):

1. Giggs: 434 G/A
2. Rooney: 391 G/A

-big gap-

3. Scholes: 236 G/A
4. Ronaldo: 209 G/A
5. Beckham: 206 G/A
6. Rashford: 201 G/A

7. Solskjær: 183 G/A
8. Ruud: 179 G/A
9. Bruno and Cole: 165 G/A
11. Cantona: 144 G/A

I think Bruno will surpass Cole, Ruud and Solskjær at least. I think he has a decent chance of surpassing Rashford, Becks and Ronaldo too.
 
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He actually surpassed Cantona last season.

Like someone else wrote, they didn't start counting assists until the 90's so the holy trinity is excluded. This is the top 10 (you've forgotten some names):

1. Giggs: 434 G/A
2. Rooney: 391 G/A

-big gap-

3. Scholes: 236 G/A
4. Ronaldo: 209 G/A
5. Beckham: 206 G/A
6. Rashford: 201 G/A

7. Solskjær: 183 G/A
8. Ruud: 179 G/A
9. Bruno and Cole: 165 G/A
11. Cantona: 144 G/A

I think Bruno will surpass Cole, Ruud and Solskjær at least. I think he has a decent chance of surpassing Rashford, Becks and Ronaldo too.

I know we don't have the actual figure but Hughes would be above Bruno as well. Just goals would put him close surely.
 
I know we don't have the actual figure but Hughes would be above Bruno as well. Just goals would put him close surely.

He scored 161 goals so he's not too far off with that stat alone. With assists included he would be ahead obviously.
 
He is going to be 31 in September sadly and may need replacing soon before his body gives. Been quite a journey and I hope by miracle we can win a prem together by the times he's ready to pack up.
 
When I looked through the stats of the other players 3 things surprised me:

1. Bruno only has 5 fewer assists than Scholes! :eek: And that's with roughly half as many appearances.

2. Bruno has already scored more goals than Beckham.

3. Rashford, for all his (deserved) criticism, is almost top 5! And if he makes it back to the pitch and stays for a few more years then he's pretty much guaranteed to make top 3. That deserves some respect.
 
Exactly. Even if they name 4 or 5 better (in their opinion) it still means he’s amongst the best.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is claiming Bruno is one of the best United players of all time. Mental.
There is enough chatter in his "legend" thread to at least kind of get the impression though. And there were quite a few on here to talk about him being able not only to go into all teams in the league but also having a role during SAFs success period around 2007 to 2010. I mean, obviously some of that is hyperbole and with an explanation, it isn't crazy but I can see where the impression comes from.
Genuine question: did Bruno do something to hurt you in real life? Your obsession with him is odd.
Just fyi, another instance of you getting personal as first reply. Just wanted to point out because I remember a post where you were befuddled at the accusation.
Well, it equates to living in a round world as opposed to a flat one. And yeah, to answer another post I coached and people paid some decent money to have their kids play under me. It's not that I am not a Bruno fan as much as I am a United fan. Again the reality is, this team just does not match up to the teams under SAF. Sorry, that is the bench mark I have set for expectations. Player for player, they are where they are for a reason. Bruno is more problem than solution. Who hangs with Spur and Arsenal fans or non United fans? Pretty much everyone. These are guys I beer league with and we all have some history with the game. The best comment I received, "who is better than Bruno in the league", really? At the very least there are 14 teams who have better midfielders, strikers, defenders and keepers than United.
Well fair enough, but I am sure, you can see why people struggling with you comparing the current team to the most successful team in Uniteds history and then subsume that this means that every individual player is "above average" at best.
I am the last one who could be considered Bruno fanclub and I think, criticism is oddly weird perceived on some days, but your form of criticism is just bluntly helpless. There are enough things to criticise and I would definitely agree, that Bruno is held in regards that are a LOT lot higher than most other football fans but not being the greatest still doesn't make him "above average". He has the numbers to show for it - the criticism is "at what costs have those numbers maybe be generated" and "what do you have to give to afford a player like that in your team".
His long term future is centre midfield. His lack of pace and intelligence could genuinely see him playing for years at the top level. Like a Scholes and Carrick did. Ugarte and Bruno with a new number 10 would be fantastic.
It really wouldn't. This clamouring has to die - being the best passer doesn't mean, he is a great CM, a very good performance against Liverpool might be an indicator but certainly not evidence. Carrick was much better in terms of defensive contribution and I'd say Scholes was definitely more positionally disciplined than Bruno. I can see rooting for him in CM right now due to no competition but going forward into the future with it, that would be crazy. Bruno can be great player as AM, play him there, don't drag him around in an effort to stuff as much firepower into the team as possible. Haven't you learned the lesson about that?
When I looked through the stats of the other players 3 things surprised me:

1. Bruno only has 5 fewer assists than Scholes! :eek: And that's with roughly half as many appearances.

2. Bruno has already scored more goals than Beckham.

3. Rashford, for all his (deserved) criticism, is almost top 5! And if he makes it back to the pitch and stays for a few more years then he's pretty much guaranteed to make top 3. That deserves some respect.
about 1. why is that crazy? Isn't Scholes time as DLP at least just as long as his days as AM? Bruno played borderline striker especially in his first two years here and adding to goals and assists is his main contribution to the team. That wasn't the same for Scholes.

about 2. see 1, also Beckham wasn't seen as a goal scorer, was he? Take goal scoring away and Bruno becomes a significantly less attractive option, he'd still have the assists sure but Beckham has those too
 
There is enough chatter in his "legend" thread to at least kind of get the impression though. And there were quite a few on here to talk about him being able not only to go into all teams in the league but also having a role during SAFs success period around 2007 to 2010. I mean, obviously some of that is hyperbole and with an explanation, it isn't crazy but I can see where the impression comes from.

Just fyi, another instance of you getting personal as first reply. Just wanted to point out because I remember a post where you were befuddled at the accusation.

Well fair enough, but I am sure, you can see why people struggling with you comparing the current team to the most successful team in Uniteds history and then subsume that this means that every individual player is "above average" at best.
I am the last one who could be considered Bruno fanclub and I think, criticism is oddly weird perceived on some days, but your form of criticism is just bluntly helpless. There are enough things to criticise and I would definitely agree, that Bruno is held in regards that are a LOT lot higher than most other football fans but not being the greatest still doesn't make him "above average". He has the numbers to show for it - the criticism is "at what costs have those numbers maybe be generated" and "what do you have to give to afford a player like that in your team".

It really wouldn't. This clamouring has to die - being the best passer doesn't mean, he is a great CM, a very good performance against Liverpool might be an indicator but certainly not evidence. Carrick was much better in terms of defensive contribution and I'd say Scholes was definitely more positionally disciplined than Bruno. I can see rooting for him in CM right now due to no competition but going forward into the future with it, that would be crazy. Bruno can be great player as AM, play him there, don't drag him around in an effort to stuff as much firepower into the team as possible. Haven't you learned the lesson about that?

about 1. why is that crazy? Isn't Scholes time as DLP at least just as long as his days as AM? Bruno played borderline striker especially in his first two years here and adding to goals and assists is his main contribution to the team. That wasn't the same for Scholes.

about 2. see 1, also Beckham wasn't seen as a goal scorer, was he? Take goal scoring away and Bruno becomes a significantly less attractive option, he'd still have the assists sure but Beckham has those too
I'm more befuddled at @Musclehead Bruno obsession but I'm very grateful to you for taking the time to address me amidst your usual wall of text.
 
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When I looked through the stats of the other players 3 things surprised me:

1. Bruno only has 5 fewer assists than Scholes! :eek: And that's with roughly half as many appearances.

2. Bruno has already scored more goals than Beckham.

3. Rashford, for all his (deserved) criticism, is almost top 5! And if he makes it back to the pitch and stays for a few more years then he's pretty much guaranteed to make top 3. That deserves some respect.
Eriksen has a better assist to minute ratio for United than Bruno
 
I'm more befuddled at @Musclehead Bruno obsession but I'm very grateful to you for taking the time to address me amidst your usual wall of text.
Sure buddy, I am a man of the people! Also, it is just a wall of text because adressing each poster in individual posts would increase my suspicion-level even more around here, given that the current number is enough for some to draw conclusions ;)
 
When I looked through the stats of the other players 3 things surprised me:

1. Bruno only has 5 fewer assists than Scholes! :eek: And that's with roughly half as many appearances.

2. Bruno has already scored more goals than Beckham.

3. Rashford, for all his (deserved) criticism, is almost top 5! And if he makes it back to the pitch and stays for a few more years then he's pretty much guaranteed to make top 3. That deserves some respect.
Rashford is 13th. He has scored less than a goal every 3 games whilst being mainly used as our chief attacking threat. That's not impressive at all.
 
Eriksen has a better assist to minute ratio for United than Bruno

When it comes to assists and goals (which are rare in nature compared to things like passes and tackles), I'm not a fan of using per 90 minutes as the basis. You get some really odd results from that (for an extended period Chicharito looked like one of the greatest strikers in the world).

You also get punished for fitness/importance to the team. Players who tend to finish the full game and hardly ever gets rested will typically have a worse ratio.


Rashford is 13th. He has scored less than a goal every 3 games whilst being mainly used as our chief attacking threat. That's not impressive at all.

According to transfermarkt he has 201 G/A in 426 apps. In total numbers that is the 6th best in the PL era.

In terms of ratio I can't be bothered to calculate, although I would agree that he should have scored more when you consider his role in the team and number of appearances.