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Tell me about it, got one clown quoting me right after it with a bunch of 10 other negative posts about him.
He's absolutely as good as his stats indicate. He had a poor (by his standards) season and was still comfortably our most creative and threatening player. Who are you buying at 66 million that will be on his level, or are you just happy to downgrade significantly?
What are you on about? You've got no idea what other teams are doing. You're just speculating wildly and framing it as fact when you don't have a clue. If he became available he would absolutely have suitors and you're absolutely deluded if you think otherwise.
No one loathes United players more than United fans I tell you
Best player and captain we've had post-Fergie is also overrated and wouldn't make the XI of top sides yet this is what his competitors say
No one loathes United players more than United fans I tell you
Best player and captain we've had post-Fergie is also overrated and wouldn't make the XI of top sides yet this is what his competitors say
No one loathes United players more than United fans I tell you
Best player and captain we've had post-Fergie is also overrated and wouldn't make the XI of top sides yet this is what his competitors say
No one loathes United players more than United fans I tell you
Best player and captain we've had post-Fergie is also overrated and wouldn't make the XI of top sides yet this is what his competitors say
Why would you bring up a tweet from 2021?So funny how earnestly you profess your impartiality while every post of yours in any thread related to Bruno insists on underplaying his abilities and importance.Maybe you can try to find tweets from his youth coach? Or his mother?
Some of the critique in here is definitely over the top. But I guess that is what you get when polarization is as strong as it is here. Acting as if Bruno is the sole reason of why we play how we play is just as short-sighted as people who seemingly cannot comprehend to even think about selling a player for a big offer if (!!!) the opportunity was there even though said player reaches an age top clubs should prepare for life after him anyways.
Lets hear another one telling us that he was the best player for us. By that logic, maybe we should raid Luton or Burnley. They have a "the best of us" player as well.
The dilemma here shouldn't be whether or not Bruno is a useful (very useful) player - the question should be whether he is the right player for us right now. Same way as a mechanist probably shouldn't try to hang on the carbon spoiler while transmission and engine aren't on an acceptable level.
That is, how I see it. A bit like with Pogba back in the day - a great player who probably would have worked wonderfully when inserted into a well-working machine that is able to balance his freedom out. No question, Bruno isn't as difficult to integrate as Pogba nor is he a mere luxury piece, I get that, but whether he is here or not, we are not going to make a big step up as a team. Only chance to do so is to bring in a couple of players in defense and midfield and on the wings, give them time to get into sync and have a coach who finds a way to make this group of players play well together. And I would genuinely shocked if that takes less than 2 years. Surely Bruno could be part of such a process, but he could also be part of it when selling him would bring in some funds for the reset. The reset is inevitable anyway. For me, the question is should we take the funds or let it slide for 2 more years of him during a period where we most likely still won't compete for the highest honors.
But why bother. Lets roll on the next statman dave tweet proving that we have (one of) the bestest player in the world in our team with chance creation stats.
Not sure where in this post I profess any impartiality. I am not a fan of Bruno. Never really was. But that doesn't stop me from acknowledging that he has very valuable traits and qualities. And for the rest: Just like you yourself, I consider my stance as relatively neutral and pragmatic. It is what most of us think of our own standpoints, isn't it? Truth is, probably none of us are right about it.
You may have misunderstood my point. It was that self-references don't really tell us much. Maybe overall Maguire was the best CB in our team this season - what does that mean? Has he become a better player? Should we keep him because he was the best of a rather uninspiring bunch? Who was our best winger? Garnacho, I guess. But does that mean he is good? Or better than our rivals? I doubt it. And it is the same with Bruno. After all, we deservedly finished 8. Attacking output wise we finished even lower. Bruno may have been the best part of that team. Selfreference makes sense in some aspects, but not everywhere.
How big of a fee? Difficult to say. I guess I'd take everything above 65. In my eyes this should be enough to bring in two players with potential.
You start by saying you don't like Bruno and never have, then go on to say you consider yourself relatively neutral. The two don't add up.
And he just scores a 25 yard screamer against one of Europes best keepers. He cannot be sold.
They do have a better squad right now than they did when they actually did
They do have a better squad right now than they did when they actually did
maybe not
He's our main hope. Hopefully he's as good in the Euros as he was in the WC.
I can dislike Mercedes Benz and still acknowledge that they are good cars. I don't see your issue. One is personal opinion where many factors culminate in, other is a sport/subject matter oriented standpoint.
No you seemingly don't understand. The point is self-referencing. When people compare Bruno with his team mates, it is self referencing. It makes sense in some aspects but not in all of them. Just look at the Amrabat thread, same issue - people compare him to old Casemiro, old Eriksen, Bruno in CM and non-position McTominay and come up with the conclusion "man when he is better than them, we really have to keep this guy". But it makes no sense - we aren't playing against ourselves, we are playing against our rivals and recruitment shouldn't be based on whether a player is better in xyz as one of our players (especially when the bunch is as weak as it is) but rather whether a player has the necessary profile and skillset to fit into a system.
Mate, I wrote 5 paragraphs to bring my thoughts around. I guess it is more a matter of not wanting to see my point than actually not seeing it. Especially given that I am not even taking an actual stance here.
Come on, cut the crap. Even in this thread there is only a minority of posters that do not accept him being a valueable player - hardly an england-wide debate. What do you want to hear? "Yeah mate, no nobody in Portugal understands how some people can be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dumb to even debate his quality"
Certainly an outside shout. I think your obvious big problem is the 39 year old elephant in the room…
Yes and that very shaky goalkeeper in the back.
Yes he was. He and Pepe were incredible
Sorry buddy but your analogy still made no sense. The gulf in class between united and luton/Burnley means that saying Bruno is the best we've had in the last five/seven years carries a huge amount more weight than a Luton fan saying that Carlton Morris is the best they've had. It was a silly comparison to make a point that didn't need making.
Ah come on, do him the favor. Somewhere you must have seen people not understanding how there can be debates about Bruno!
