[El Jefe]

Oh come on, do try to be serious. On the one hand you are, against all reasonable reading, assuming that people are now fawning over Fernandes because of the Forest game. On the other, you're arguing a lack of "memorable" individual game performances (such as f.e. the Forest game?) means he's not really a great. Self-contradiction aside, you are in effect complaining that Bruno, playing for an also-ran side, has been failing to provide you with as many great memories as players who were playing for a side that challenged for the title every season and often won it? Some criterion.

I can't really take this post serious because are you honestly counting his Forest performance as a memorable game.

The second part of the post is the ultimate cop out. Rashford has delivered quite a few memorable performances, Mata has his standout performance as does Zlatan. Even Jesse fecking Lingard.

My point if he's to be held in the same manner as previous United greats he needs to have something that stands out. It doesn't need to be as often, like you said he isn't in a great team so that's unfair but he he has very little that sticks out.

The likes of Gerrard, Aubameyang, Vardy have been in worse teams and made more impactful contributions to their team than Bruno has.

If you're going to compare him to Beckham, he'll need a lot more than stats.

 

[Chief123]

So how are teams that don't play with a player like Bruno able to create chances after chances and dominate games? It's as if some of you believe every team needs a Bruno to succeed, when it's the opposite.

Name me a team that creates “chances after chances” that doesn’t have a creative player like Bruno.

 

[justsomebloke]

I mean, take a look in this thread and tell me again it's just the two of us. @Rozay has even dedicated a thread to him how we're never going to win the league with him, and it's very true. What has he ever won? He is a moments player and if he does not get his moments, he's useless.

Replacing him, not removing him. Do you not think we would be a better team overall if we had control in the midfield rather than whatever it is we do now?

I can't really take this post serious because are you honestly counting his Forest performance as a memorable game.

The second part of the post is the ultimate cop out. Rashford has delivered quite a few memorable performances, Mata has his standout performance as does Zlatan. Even Jesse fecking Lingard.

My point if he's to be held in the same manner as previous United greats he needs to have something that stands out. It doesn't need to be as often, like you said he isn't in a great team so that's unfair but he he has very little that sticks out.

The likes of Gerrard, Aubameyang, Vardy have been in worse teams and made more impactful contributions to their team than Bruno has.

If you're going to compare him to Beckham, he'll need a lot more than stats.

Okay, sorry, but I've put in as much as I'm prepared to put in on this. You guys are not making any sense.

 

[Member 117152]

Please don't compare Bruno to Scholes again. I can't think of more polar opposites The best CMs have a level of consistency over an entire game that we're asking Bruno to achieve.

This also criminally misunderstands the point. It's not talking about defensive-offensive balance, it's talking about a player forcing a team to look for skills they should already have, help with, or at the very minimum not be detrimental to. Of course Mctominay's ideal partner would be Kante, every limited player's idea partner is someone who does their job or carries the role they should be helping with. Bruno's job isn't jsut stats, in fact by world class standards he's notoriously poor over the course of a game.

edit: Point was Bruno's skillset doesn't help team consistency, may even be detrimental to and he needs to improve on that.

Bruno is not a midfielder the way you think of football. He is the creator and actually puts a shift in defensively to be fair to the guy as a bonus.

He’s nothing like Scholes as a footballer but talent wise they are pretty similar. I saw Scholes week in week out same as Bruno.

Take away the era, manager etc and Bruno is a wonderful footballer too. I have a lot of respect for him especially doing well with us in the dark ages. One of the best players on the planet same as Scholes was.

Zidane would barely ever protect the ball and give it away a tonne for France / Madrid. His job was never to protect the ball it’s to make things happen. Similar to Bruno for us.

 

[Marwood]

It can certainly help when one is a box-to-box and the other is purely attacking. Do you think we would control a game more if we had Ødegaard instead of Bruno?

We might to some extent(whilst maybe losing out in other ways) but you're point was that replacing Bruno equals control.

So putting Ødegaard in would somehow override all the other problems this team has with controlling a game.

We should know by now that one player doesn't have that kind of impact.

 

[zaafi]

Name me a team that creates “chances after chances” that doesn’t have a creative player like Bruno.

Creative player or creative midfielder? Attackers attack, top teams don't usually waste a midfield spot on an attacking, chaotic player.

Teams that play and create without a player like Bruno: Barcelona, City without De Bruyne, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Brighton, Newcastle, Napoli, Inter Milan, Bayern München. Very few teams play with a number 10 that lacks technically. None of them are top teams.

 

[Member 117152]

Creative player or creative midfielder? Attackers attack, top teams don't usually waste a midfield spot on an attacking, chaotic player.

Teams that play and create without a player like Bruno: Barcelona, City without De Bruyne, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Brighton, Newcastle, Napoli, Inter Milan, Bayern München. Very few teams play with a number 10 that lacks technically. None of them are top teams.

Bayern with Muller maybe… He did ok. Won a few champions leagues and like 10 titles on the bounce.

I love players which add chaos. That’s how I would want my team to play football. Players like that tend to be able to play in any era unlike their usually less talented system players.

You have a few standouts like Xavi maybe who thrived in a certain system but otherwise a lot of top level footballers have a similar skillset. Bruno is wildly different from most and that’s why we love him.

 

[Chief123]

Creative player or creative midfielder? Attackers attack, top teams don't usually waste a midfield spot on an attacking, chaotic player.

Teams that play and create without a player like Bruno: Barcelona, City without De Bruyne, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Brighton, Newcastle, Napoli, Inter Milan, Bayern München. Very few teams play with a number 10 that lacks technically. None of them are top teams.

Your arguments are so bizarre. Ones which would take far too long to even bother entertaining.

 

[zaafi]

Your arguments are so bizarre. Ones which would take far too long to even bother entertaining.

What is bizarre about that? Jesus Christ can't counter a perfectly valid argument so instead of doing that, it's just easier to say it's bizarre

 

[Chief123]

What is bizarre about that? Jesus Christ can't counter a perfectly valid argument so instead of doing that, it's just easier to say it's bizarre

There’s nothing valid in the series of posts you’ve posted in this thread. My point still stands, it’s very bizarre.

 

[El Jefe]

Okay, sorry, but I've put in as much as I'm prepared to put in on this. You guys are not making any sense.

It's funny how you've been asked to name memorable Bruno games and you haven't been able to (other than Forest ). You're now running away after being challenged on a terrible take that Bruno is better than Becks.

If you want to post shite unchallenged then maybe a forum isn't the best place for you.

 

[Jeppers7]

City have creative players like KDB in their team, Arsenal have Odegaard, I pick them out as they are the teams I'd say are similar to United in terms of style and how we want to play.
They have that one player who is capable of a bit of magic and will try things no other player will. They are allowed that little bit of freedom, which doesn't always come off but when it does makes the difference.

Bruno is a game changer, a match winner, history and stats have proven that.

In 127 prem games Bruno has been the match winner 7 times, 4 of which were penalties

 

[zaafi]

There’s nothing valid in the series of posts you’ve posted in this thread. My point still stands, it’s very bizarre.

Eh? You told me to list teams that create chances after chances even if they don't have a player like Bruno, and I did. What is so bizarre about that? There are so many teams that do exactly that, and I've listed a bunch. Why aren't you replying to that instead of throwing the word bizarre around, which you clearly don't know the meaning of.

 

[zaafi]

Okay, sorry, but I've put in as much as I'm prepared to put in on this. You guys are not making any sense.

We're not making any sense, but you said Bruno was better than Beckham. Okay, then!

 

[Scandi Red]

So why do we need to play with an attacking midfielder?

There is no "need to". There are many ways to line up. But when you have a world class attacking midfielder you play him. Especially when the alternatives are Mount, Eriksen, Van De Beek and McTominay.

Bruno would walk into any starting eleven in the world except for City's (because they have the only AM in the world who's better). Yes, I include Arsenal in that list. Ødegaard would play CM if they had Bruno. That is arguably his primary position anyways.

 

[zaafi]

City have creative players like KDB in their team, Arsenal have Odegaard, I pick them out as they are the teams I'd say are similar to United in terms of style and how we want to play.
They have that one player who is capable of a bit of magic and will try things no other player will. They are allowed that little bit of freedom, which doesn't always come off but when it does makes the difference.

Bruno is a game changer, a match winner, history and stats have proven that.

Yes, De Bruyne is one of the best midfielders to have ever played in the league and brings so much more than creating chances. Ødegaard is quite opposite of Bruno and looks to retain possession when it's necessary and try to create when it's actually likely to succeed. I'd have Ødegaard in the team over Bruno any day of the week, and it's not close.

Bruno is neither a game changer nor a match winner. He asked to come off when Liverpool were toying with us ffs.

 

[zaafi]

There is no "need to". There are many ways to line up. But when you have a world class attacking midfielder you play him. Especially when the alternatives are Mount, Eriksen, Van De Beek and McTominay.

Bruno would walk into any starting eleven in the world except for City's (because they have the only AM in the world who's better). Yes, I include Arsenal in that list. Ødegaard would play CM if they had Bruno. That is arguably his primary position anyways.

I'd much rather play Bruno than those players, but the whole idea, in my opinion, is to revamp the whole midfield. We're not a team in control. It's chaotic, unpredictable and there's no synergy between the players.

We're not going to win titles with a player who revolve around moments. He is our best player, individually, but it is seriously costing the team as a whole.

 

[Scandi Red]

We're not going to win titles with a player who revolve around moments. He is our best player, individually, but it is seriously costing the team as a whole.

This is a crazy opinion and I absolutely hate that people like you will smugly claim to have been right if Bruno leaves United without a big trophy. It is just as stupid as blaming Gerrard for Liverpool's modest trophy haul between 1998 and 2015.

 

[PSV]

If we had a better player than Rashford at the end of most of Bruno's chances his assist tally would easily double and we'd not even be having this discussion.

For instance Saka missed 3 big chances last season compared to Rashford's 22 and people talk about those two like they are close.

When Maddison is getting 9 goals out of 12 big chances created and Bruno is getting 8 out of 32 it is a bit weird to question Bruno.

I'd replace Rashford long before Bruno.

 

[zaafi]

This is a crazy opinion and I absolutely hate that people like you will smugly claim to have been right if Bruno leaves United without a big trophy. It is just as stupid as blaming Gerrard for Liverpool's modest trophy haul between 1998 and 2015.

I'm not going to do that, because we wouldn't have won a title with someone else instead of him either. City are just too strong, and we've just got too many average players and it's been going on for too long. What I would like is to get a midfield that is actually functioning, because this one does not.
We're getting dominated by teams like Wolverhampton and Nottingham in midfield (only after we scored the third) but there were obvious players like Guimaraes, Caicedo and Enzo Fernandez available. We just prioritise wrong.

 

[Scandi Red]

If we had a better player than Rashford at the end of most of Bruno's chances his assist tally would easily double and we'd not even be having this discussion.

For instance Saka missed 3 big chances last season compared to Rashford's 22 and people talk about those two like they are close.

When Maddison is getting 9 goals out of 12 big chances created and Bruno is getting 8 out of 32 it is a bit weird to question Bruno.

That is the brutal life of a chance creator. The role is just as important as the role of a goal scorer, but you are 100% powerless after the ball leaves your foot. As a striker you can only blame yourself for the chances you miss, but a perfect pass leading to an unconverted chance is 0% your fault. But the brain-dead assist counters will hound you nonetheless.

None of this would be a problem if people actually used their eyes and watched the games. You don't have to be a genius to see that Bruno is an excellent player who's consistently let down by poor finishing from his team mates.

 

[zaafi]

If we had a better player than Rashford at the end of most of Bruno's chances his assist tally would easily double and we'd not even be having this discussion.

For instance Saka missed 3 big chances last season compared to Rashford's 22 and people talk about those two like they are close.

When Maddison is getting 9 goals out of 12 big chances created and Bruno is getting 8 out of 32 it is a bit weird to question Bruno.

I'd replace Rashford long before Bruno.

Haaland missed 28 big chances, so maybe KdB should've had way more assists as well? I do agree that Bruno should've had more assists, but Rashford often was the reason Bruno got an assist in the first place. Look up Rashford's goals from last season and like 4 of those are from Bruno just randomly winning the ball and smashing it forward. Rashford with his pace gets one on one with the keeper and scores. Would that happen with Sancho or Antony?

 

[Jeppers7]

If only football was simply chance creation stats….Sadly it’s not the case and anyone with eyes (unless huge Bruno fan) can see that Beckham and Scholes were in a different class to Bruno, the same as anyone with eyes can see that Bruno was poor in the first two games of the season.

 

[Champ]

In 127 prem games Bruno has been the match winner 7 times, 4 of which were penalties

You don't have to score to be a match winner!

Provide an assist, a key pass, a game saving tackle all counts to winning a match.
Bruno has done more of that then most in the Premiership since his arrival.

 

[Champ]

Yes, De Bruyne is one of the best midfielders to have ever played in the league and brings so much more than creating chances. Ødegaard is quite opposite of Bruno and looks to retain possession when it's necessary and try to create when it's actually likely to succeed. I'd have Ødegaard in the team over Bruno any day of the week, and it's not close.

Bruno is neither a game changer nor a match winner. He asked to come off when Liverpool were toying with us ffs.

I guess we see things differently then, and I guess Bruno's multiple chance creations, assists and key passes are not contributing to anything?

Some strange outlooks on football on this thread at times, the belittle of Bruno is definitely up there as one of the strangest.

 

[The United]

You don't have to score to be a match winner!

Provide an assist, a key pass, a game saving tackle all counts to winning a match.
Bruno has done more of that then most in the Premiership since his arrival.

People said goals were not the most important stats. You brought up other stats to support that he was a very decent player overall, now they went back and said his goals and assists were not enough.

It's funny.

 

[Scandi Red]

Sadly it’s not the case and anyone with eyes (unless huge Bruno fan) can see that Beckham and Scholes were in a different class to Bruno, the same as anyone with eyes can see that Bruno was poor in the first two games of the season.

And anyone with eyes can tell that Bruno is a great player and not a problem.

 

[Pscholes18]

This team needs him the most when the chips are and he wilts under the pressure. Showed up against NF. Still doesn't deserve the band.

 

[zaafi]

And anyone with eyes can tell that Bruno is a great player and not a problem.

Yeah, I guess that's why he is heavily criticised here. It's not like I'm in a massive minority here.

He is fine for a team that wants to be top 4, but not for a team that wants to be elite.

 

[zaafi]

People said goals were not the most important stats. You brought up other stats to support that he was a very decent player overall, now they went back and said his goals and assists were not enough.

It's funny.

Overall, he doesn't bring much to a midfield. He creates chances and runs around. People acting like he is Zidane and Modric in here. He is world class at creating, average at mostly everything else.

 

[zaafi]

You don't have to score to be a match winner!

Provide an assist, a key pass, a game saving tackle all counts to winning a match.
Bruno has done more of that then most in the Premiership since his arrival.

The only thing he's done more than most of those things are key passes. Which is the only thing he excels at.

 

[Scandi Red]

Yeah, I guess that's why he is heavily criticised here. It's not like I'm in a massive minority here.

That's because this forum is a magnet for terrible opinions when it comes to certain players, with this thread being the best example.

He is fine for a team that wants to be top 4, but not for a team that wants to be elite.

This is still one of the wildest football opinions I've read or heard in my 30 plus years as a football fan.

 

[#07]

Yes, De Bruyne is one of the best midfielders to have ever played in the league and brings so much more than creating chances. Ødegaard is quite opposite of Bruno and looks to retain possession when it's necessary and try to create when it's actually likely to succeed. I'd have Ødegaard in the team over Bruno any day of the week, and it's not close.

Bruno is neither a game changer nor a match winner. He asked to come off when Liverpool were toying with us ffs.

Are people still peddling this lie?

Goes to show why the media goes for Bruno at every opportunity. Mud sticks and plenty of people, including United fans, love a bit of dirt on our players.

 

[zaafi]

That's because this forum is a magnet for terrible opinions when it comes to certain players, with this thread being the best example.

This is still one of the wildest football opinions I've read or heard in my 30 plus years as a football fan.

It's funny how everyone else than you have terrible opinions. Get a grip, seriously.

He's been shit in like 2 or 3 finals, but you consider him elite. fecking hell. Some of you deserve to watch this team play like shit. There is a reason why Real Madrid with Modric and Kroos, not players like Bruno, have been dominating over the years.

 

[zaafi]

Are people still peddling this lie?

Goes to show why the media goes for Bruno at every opportunity. Mud sticks and plenty of people, including United fans, love a bit of dirt on our players.

Even if he didn't directly asked for it, his attitide clearly showed it.

 

[Scandi Red]

It's funny how everyone else than you have terrible opinions. Get a grip, seriously.

Yes, I am completely alone in thinking that Bruno is a great player

 

[zaafi]

Yes, I am completely alone in thinking that Bruno is a great player

You're saying everyone who criticise or doesn't think that highly of Bruno have shit opinions. Your love for him is a bit weird to be honest. You can't criticise him for anything. It's almost as if you wouldn't replace him with any midfielder in the world.

 

[Scandi Red]

You can't criticise him for anything.

There are levels, my guy.

Plenty of far worse players than Bruno have won multiple big trophies whilst playing regularly for their team. And there are many players in our starting eleven who are much worse than Bruno right now. To call him a problem or to claim that he is holding us back is, in my humble opinion, batshit insane.

Bruno is not above criticism. I would like him to keep possession better too. It would certainly be nice if he could dribble more, just to have that tool in his locker. His long-shots could also clearly be improved. Is this enough to claim that Bruno is even half as bad as some of you suggest? No.

It's almost as if you wouldn't replace him with any midfielder in the world.

Only De Bruyne is a better attacking midfielder. Either we rob City or we sign a world class CM (possibly two) and chance our formation. I don't see any of these happening nor would I want to as there are more pressing matters.

 

[justsomebloke]

I can't really take this post serious because are you honestly counting his Forest performance as a memorable game.

The second part of the post is the ultimate cop out. Rashford has delivered quite a few memorable performances, Mata has his standout performance as does Zlatan. Even Jesse fecking Lingard.

My point if he's to be held in the same manner as previous United greats he needs to have something that stands out. It doesn't need to be as often, like you said he isn't in a great team so that's unfair but he he has very little that sticks out.

The likes of Gerrard, Aubameyang, Vardy have been in worse teams and made more impactful contributions to their team than Bruno has.

If you're going to compare him to Beckham, he'll need a lot more than stats.

It's funny how you've been asked to name memorable Bruno games and you haven't been able to (other than Forest ). You're now running away after being challenged on a terrible take that Bruno is better than Becks.

If you want to post shite unchallenged then maybe a forum isn't the best place for you.

Sure. That's how it is. Anyone can see that.

 

[#07]

Even if he didn't directly asked for it, his attitide clearly showed it.

Proves my point.

He didn't actually say what you said he said: But just by looking at him you know what he was thinking.

Based on that we can all claim anything we want about Bruno based on our personal view of him. Exactly like Talksport etc thrive on.