Does anyone have stats for our performances WITH and WITHOUT Bruno in the team?
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Hasn't he played essentially every game bar 2 or 3 (I saw some stat bout him missing more penalties than games or something) so essentially this data doesn't exist.
According to Transfermarkt he has scored or assisted the winner 22 times:
- 7 NP goals
- 7 Assists
- 8 Pens
Honestly, your bizarre blindness over Bruno is just odd.
Are there better players than Bruno? Sure, but not many.
He's been one of the best players for United since he arrived and has topped the most big chances created table more often than not since his arrival, even this season so far.
It's just not even worth a discussion when someone is so obviously willing to double down on an opinion which cannot be substantiated.
That guy is having some of his greatest hits in this thread today.
It's gone to peak Redcafe when people are willing to slate our most creative player over the past three seasons for not being creative and winning matches.
Bruno decent against crap sides but shite against top sides. And his discipline is terrible, it mainly shows when we are getting drummed.
You spent all summer arguing why Mount is a better fit for our midfield over Caicedo, you can't talk
And performances count towards winning trophies
He absolutely is for the way Ten Hag intends to set up this team you can have issues with the system itself but not the Suitability of Mount over Caicedo for the said system .You spent all summer arguing why Mount is a better fit for our midfield over Caicedo, you can't talk
It’s a problem when he doesn’t play well.
Bruno doesn’t play well regularlyIt's a problem when anyone doesn't play well
Except in every away game against a top 10 team.
The worst opinion on here today, the most batshit crazy, Is that Bruno is better than Becks and as good as Scholes. Funny those criticising others opinion are fine with this. Yet still think that their opinion has credibility.
I can't remember the last time he was worse than the average output of the team. You can't really fault him for being poor when the whole team is poor. On those days, any attacking midfielder in the world would struggle. It's not a Bruno specific thing.
As long as Bruno is starting for us, in addition to the technical inconsistency in the side, Mount as the 8 is a really bad fit.
While I don't agree with them, I can forgive crazy positivity. Especially if it's used to counter the equally terrible negative takes in this thread lead by you and a handful of others. Last season I had to put this thread on ignore for several months because this place got so miserable. We're still in August but I'm already very close to doing it again.
I’m sorry but if you honestly can’t appraise his performances on a game to game basis individually then I don’t know what to say. There’s absolutely no point.
You’d have to ask yourself why that is? If someone is playing world class football on a consistent basis you’re not going to be hearing complaints in a performance thread ffs.
When the general notion has been that Bruno had a poor game I have pretty much always agreed. It's just that they tend to happen when we lose, draw or get completely played out of the park.
What I struggle to remember is the last time we played well and Bruno held the team back or didn't stand out in any positive way.
Or maybe this thread is just particularly shite? All it takes is a handful of shite posters with high activity. This thread could not be further away from the opinions about Bruno I read or hear elsewhere. Online, offline, match-going fans, rival fans, you name it. No place is even a fraction as negative as this place when it comes to Bruno.
Ah, there we go.
I'm not lying!
Wherever I go it's the same! Whether I'm sitting with season ticket holders, or is surrounded by Liverpool and Arsenal fans at a pub or reading posts on Reddit, everyone seems to rate Bruno very highly. But on here? It's a different story to say the least..Whatever Rozay said means little because his opinions are just like any of ours.
All these threads stating we will never win with this or that player are really a joke. You can say that as long as Fergie is not the coach, we will never win the league, or as long as Cas and Varine (who won feck tons) are here, we will never win, etc., which can also be true. It is almost as good as picking any player from Fergie's era and saying this player will win us the league.
The point here is that the club and the competition that the squad is currently in say more about whether they can win or not. No individual player whose style you don't like can influence it. It is not like Bruno is scoring own goals intentionally in games while playing with the all-time United IX squad.
Yup, good job we've had plenty of good ones from Bruno then.
If you are going to quote stats how about a more complete picture?
#1 since the start of last season in 6 key stats.
Keep spinning things to fit your agenda, problem is the numbers arent lying.
You are right that he is one of the best players for us, but that's not really saying much. We're a team that couldn't beat Sevilla in the Europa League, a team that got almost relegated in La Liga. We scored 58 goals in 38 matches in the PL.
The problem with Bruno, in my opinion, isn't that he doesn't work hard enough, or doesn't create enough. He is world class at it. He is doing exactly what he was bought for. The problem is that football these days - if you're going to be an elite team - you can't be playing a number 10 who doesn't dribble or unable to work in tight spaces, or got average technique and prone to making silly mistakes. He relies on moments and space.
He doesn't operate the same way Özil, David Silva, Mata (for Chelsea) or Kaka did. He doesn't have press resistance at all, so whenever he is pressed, he looks to get the ball away as fast as possible, often causing us to lose the ball. I don't have a problem with him attempting to create chances, but it's how unnecessarily he gives the ball away for something that is never going to succeed. It is not often easy to see when playing weaker teams, but he gets exposed against organised and good teams.
Look at Bayern, Arsenal and City. They don't play with chaotic number 10s who want to give the ball away quick. They play with a certain calmness, and look to create realistic chances, and not instantly try to create something as soon as they get the ball. The other great teams don't play with a number 10, because you need players with a certain skillset to make it work so that the midfield is balanced.
This is basically the same stat. I don't disagree with you, but this is just made to look good.
Amigos, we're creating enough chances and Bruno is a massive part of that. We're just not finishing enough on the chances we create. We need a striker to get the job done.
Except that as I keep pointing out, the consensus on Bruno’s performances week in week out aren’t polarised. It’s generally agreed that he played well on Saturday. I don’t see a large amount of posters claiming he was shite. Similarly when he is shite, I don’t see a large amount of posters saying he was great. That happens five days later when a stat appears.
And plenty of shite ones and one trophy.
The poster I replied to stated that stats showed that Bruno was a match winner. So I looked at how many games in the prem Bruno’s goals had directly won for us.
There’s plenty of numbers that aren’t lying either. Not just the ones that fit your agenda. The amount of goals scored in the past two seasons, assists, trophies won.
So riddle me this, if Bruno isn't good enough for a top team, why does he consistently end up as the top chance creator in the whole league?
Seems strange that a player that is so bad to actually put in pretty impressive statistics both for goals created, goals scored, chances created and general all round play.
Again, your argument is flawed as you simply cannot provide anything to substantiate it, there's nothing in your argument other than you just not rating Bruno as a player, ie, a personal opinion.
There's more than goals for a midfielder to help win or change a game!
Bruno has consistently put on the numbers for United and been at the top of the charts for chances created since his arrival.
There's no agenda in that, just cold hard truths.
Again, similar to the other poster, it's clear you don't rate the guy, but there's no substance to the argument given what he has produced for United.
Is it solely down to Bruno he's only won one trophy, given the fact his national side has won a trophy with him playing and his previous team won multiple trophies with Bruno a pivotal part of that?
Hard to disagree with this.
Most fans I speak to of other teams hate Bruno, mainly down to him being a very good player and partly down to his attitude.
You're not even replying to what I'm saying. You just read and instantly come up with another question that I'm supposed to answer. What is the point when you don't read and think?
Do you honestly think creating the most chances in a league is what makes you good enough for the best teams in the world? Do you know who created most chances in La Liga in 22/23 season? Aleix Vidal for Espanyol. The game doesn't revolve around one player creating chances for a team. It does for us (and Espanyol) because the rest of our players are incapable of creating consistently. Rashford created 28 chances in the whole 22/23 season. Meanwhile, Martinelli created over 70. When you have a single player able to create, of course he's going to come out looking the best. You're not even taking into account that he plays a lot more than De Bruyne which is why he's on top of those lists. He has created a single more big chance than De Bruyne, despite playing 1000 minutes more.
By the way, what are those impressive stats in his general all round play you're talking about? Goals created? Goals scored? What do you mean by this? They're fairly average over the last two seasons, beaten by nearly every other top attacking midfielder in the league.
Bruno is our best player. It is not a random decision that ETH made him captain.
So now we're saying Bruno plays too much and that's the reason he creates a lot, or that's the reason he consistently performs in every metric that you would like from attacking midfield players?
Already this season, even per 90, Bruno is in the top 5 creators. Seems strange that a player that bad would be up near the top yet again eh?
Vidal hasn't consistently been at the top of that list though has he? Yet Bruno has. Rashford played through the middle and scored a lot more goals than Martinelli, so not sure what you are getting at here.
Just some strange takes all round really.
Seriously, I'm out, as discussing this with someone as blinkered as yourself is pointless. You do you.
You're tripping mate. Look at what you're saying. You can't even read properly. Your rage must be making it hard for you to actually understand what I'm saying.
Also, Martinelli scored 15 goals in the PL. Rashford scored 17. "A lot more goals"
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