May is on LBC live and its going very very bad.
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As expected.
You have a NATO like agreement where the EU army is automatically used to defend any nations state that comes under attack. Beyond that, you only allow aggressive action if it’s agreed by all member states.
Not nearly as bad as Barry Gardiner last night on QT
David David has the nerve to say the EU were the ones who dragged out negotiations.
I think I hate him more than Boris and JRM.
I think I hate him more than Boris and JRM.
Yeah I don't care.
The US policy in the ME was a mess, from the Arab spring to Iraq right to syria and yemen. That serves them right as it upsets its 'enemies' while indirectly strenghtening its allies. It doesn't serves europe though but the US can't care less as they aren't the ones taking the migrants
An end of nato will mean the US would lose its grip on the continent including the bases. It also mean that for the first time in many years the EU can condemn and even sanction the US if it goes against the region's interest. Not to forget that we can finally be able to try to improve relations with our noisy neighbours something we can't do if we are still under the US thumb. Russia might ease veing so hostile to us if we are not its main enemy lap dogs
Regarding nato i doubt its even fit for purpose Sure it can outgun Russia in the long run but it will take ages to fully deploy. Thus Russia can easily invade the east part of Europe and then hold it by threatening nuclear fallout, something no country would dare to challenge. From what i heard by various military men both from Russia and the UK, the russian army had invested heavily so it can engage in this sort of wars
Can the EU defend itself? The answer is yes. Europe spends on military far more then Russia does. However there is plenty of redundancy and not enough effort is spent to defend the borders that matter. Meanwhile we end up with enemies simply by association with the US. Why on earth al qaeda would bother attacking spain?
An EU army would reduce waste and can be armed and utilised were it matters for what it matters. Let the US fight its own wars. I assure you once the body bags increase exponentially they will think again.The vietnam war is a perfect example to that.
We don't even need a sexose referendum, there was nothing binding about the first. It would just be more democratic and politically friendly to do so.
You and your typos.
pretty sure the Irish one should be eating popcorn while sitting on a fire.
Things often appear to be different from what they really are. The prospect of a European army has nothing to do with a superstate, it has to do with breaking away from their reliance on NATO which is at the mercy of the USA and its president, whoever that may be, hint hint.
Erm that's how NATO already works
Brexiteers now saying they can renegotiate a deal.
These people can't keep getting away with it surely?
These people can't keep getting away with it surely?
This is true and will enable EU nationals easy entry to the UK. At the moment that is perfectly legal. But if we are out of the EU, SM and CU they will become illegal.
Respectfully, I dont think you understand freedom of movement.
what are the odds on her surviving the vote though... I have to say i think she has a pretty decent chance
the difficulty is getting the deal through parliment - though again if she makes that a free vote people are saying she could survive a defeat there...
as crazy as it seems the maybot might just manage to survive (her deal clearly wont)
Things often appear to be different from what they really are. The prospect of a European army has nothing to do with a superstate, it has to do with breaking away from their reliance on NATO which is at the mercy of the USA and its president, whoever that may be, hint hint.
Erm that's how NATO already works
Why would you want another organisation like NATO, what do they do against threats like Russia?
Can anyone tell me the last time there was a confidence vote on a British PM?
1979 was the last time there was one in the commons
I think Thatcher was the last time she was knifed by her own party whilst still in power
edit - actually didnt john redwood trigger one against John Major as well (which he lost )
so thatcher probably the last successful one
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She will survive a confidence vote. With ease.
I have heard more than 1 MP, apart from May, saying, this deal, no deal or no Brexit.
Is the no Brexit thing a threat to the pro-Brexit idiots, to say that, either you accept this compromise, or we'll cancel the whole thing?
Is the no Brexit thing a threat to the pro-Brexit idiots, to say that, either you accept this compromise, or we'll cancel the whole thing?
Major called one himself over Maastricht in 1993 - and won. Hence the treaty being passed.
Thanks.
Yep, it's just that.
problem is I dont think abybodt believes her
if its not her deal then its clearly going to be no deal
she isnt going to ask the EU to extend A50 and call a referendum herself
no new leader of the conservative party will do that either
they will switch straight to no deal and blaming the EU
I might be wrong but also there are rumours that if she makes the vote a free vote in the commons then technically the government isn't defeated and she can carry n without having a commons confidence vote? (not certain under the fixed parliament act but it would seem to pave the way to a no deal with May in charge?)
This would give her immunity for a year as well I think.
So many problems all these years! Deal or no-deal, I think the rest of the EU should have a huge 7-day party after the UK finally exits! Booze, fireworks, music, everything! It's like your mother in law gets sick, stays in your home, complains about you all the time, then her health is fine but she doesn't go away, she stays on, and keeps complaining! When you are finally able to get rid of her, you want to party! I know, I have been through that!
Some do, and some don't. Example is the Canada deal which negotiated passport free travel for most EU countries. There's a lot that can be done, especially considering how closely knit we already are.
I'm quite frankly confused how May's government has been there since 2016 and this deal is the best they could come up with it.
I think what she means is that, I'm not sure any government can survive a no deal brexit.
At some point when it becomes clear that we are crashing out, she has no choice but to either call an election or a new referendum.
And this is the risk the "people'svote' crew are calculating and why they will never vote for May's deal.
The main point of my post (which I accept was badly worded) was the borders are not controlled under this deal.
Gove is not resigning according to the latest reports.
Who was interviewer? Ferrari?
why?
I think it is more likely they say the EU are being nasty and wont negotiate - its imperative we prepare for a no deal brexit and we cant be distracted by elections and second votes
Probably the DUP get back on board with that if its a hard brexit and support her in the commons
The ERG etc would get on board with that and back her
Just depends if the ken clarke wing of the party would sooner back her or finish her off... I think they would back her
If the supply and confidence deal holds with the DUP then in theory they have the fixed term of parliament with no election of referendum
she just has to avoid an actual defeat over the bill - and the only way to do that I think is make it a free vote
Id never underestimate the flexibility of a politicians positions when it comes to clinging on to power
Waitrose Tommy Robinson. Like that one.
Can they work here?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...deal-jeremy-corbyn-negotiations-a8550186.html
Am I right in assuming even if she was immune from the Tories, Labour can still force a general vote of no confidence in the House of Commons and try to force an election if they win via a simple majority?