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I'm not bad tempered, nor am I illogical thank you.
Afternoon Cheesy. I was thinking there had been a serious loss of humour in this thread and I should do my bit to help.
Well why don't you point out what you happen to think is illogical about what I'm saying and I'll then proceed to explain why it's perfectly logical.
Also if you don't like the tone of my posts, which are hardly 'splenetic', you'll just have to deal with it.
I heard about this on the news earlier, so it did happen.
It's so stupid that photoshop looked like a good explanation.
A good test of authenticity is to see wheter the Polish came through google translate, is the grammer correct?
I think it's funny that it is telling Poles to leave the EU and not the UK.
The Poles should make their own little cards saying "Thanks to you, we already did"
The Poles should make their own little cards saying "Thanks to you, we already did"
Too tedious. I'd prefer to watch football.
I suppose a couple of my posts bordered on insulting, so I apologize for that. I really have nothing against you personally.
That card doesnt make any sense. It should say go back to the EU.
Sky News: Several bidders unlikely to take over Tata Steel due to UK leaving the EU
On Sky News - several bidders are now unlikely to take over Tata Steel due to the UK leaving the EU.
Ironically a lot of Welsh people i've spoken to, voted Leave because of the Tata Steel situation, and hoped Brexit would resolve this.
Yikes.
Ironically a lot of Welsh people i've spoken to, voted Leave because of the Tata Steel situation, and hoped Brexit would resolve this.
Yikes.
Weren't a lot of Polish people voting Leave too?
No offense taken, it's a contentious issue and the way things have turned out there's bound to be disagreements.
I feel strongly about it as it's likely to effect my future so I'd just like to see right prevail over wrong.
A lot of people don't seem to think long term in that case, for a company like Nissan or Tata Steel it's much easier to relocate as a long-term investment then work on a 3-4 month basis.
Or a downscale over a period of 2 years, whilst porting over machinery and downscaling the workforce. I'm surprised people in towns which such EU investment and off-shore investment would vote against the EU.
Saw this. That's gone well then.
Think they are going to get a surprise now that they have.
There was a clear lack of availability of facts, and just propaganda. From both sides.
Of course, I was merely trying to rally a bit of moral but failed miserly, like I said in later replies to this posts I did not vote out out, I just refuse to be dragged into the vacuum of despair that is this tread.
Shot themselves in the head, well done everyone
Wonder if Boris will venture down there when they lose their jobs?
Someone put it nicely. Every 4 years a new model of car is produced. This may need new equipment. Now do Nissan expand in Sunderland or somewhere in the EU the next time this choice has to be made?
Only if it wins him power. More likely he'll be spending money on old people
Where'd you get that from?
The thing that upsets me the most about the result is the breaking up of the United Kingdom. It should have basically been on the ballot, Remain in the EU and the UK or leave the EU and Break-up the UK.
Scotland will leave and now the Tories will have even more power in Westminster and an easier time winning General Elections.
Scotland will leave and now the Tories will have even more power in Westminster and an easier time winning General Elections.
I think they interviewed a Pole who had been here 8 years and he voted out, even though being in the EU was the reason he was allowed to be here.
We'll have to have a revolution, bring the lot down.
I agree with @Sultan that democracy would be totally destroyed if the Government ignored the referendum result.
This was the biggest turnout for any vote in decades. 17 million people voted for Brexit. I wasn't one of them. But can you imagine the Prime Minister turning around to those 17 million people and going 'nice one lads but it was just bantz. We're not actually gonna leave'? It'd destroy any faith in the democratic process.
What I disagree with you on Sults is that people voted in ignorance. That is just not true. We were all told, repeatedly, this will f-k you up: The Prime Minister said it, the Treasury said it, the Bank of England said it. We were told over and over, your family could end up poorer. People can't say 'I didn't know.' What they should admit is 'I knew but I just believed it was "project fear."' People were told but they didn't believe the warnings.
There was nothing fixed or unfair about this vote. People got the information they needed to make a choice. Lord knows, I was scared enough about a recession and what might happen with my job that I voted remain. Other people just felt differently. That's democracy I guess. Now we just need to see what the consequences are.
PS) Not to Sults but to people bigging up David Lammy. David Lammy knows Parliament has no control over foreign treaties. As soon as article 50 is triggered its not up to us anyway. We could make a new law saying we're still in the EU. That wouldn't mean the EU would have to accept it. A divorce is a two way thing. You can't tell your wife to get bent and then, if you change your mind, just expect she'll take you back!
This was the biggest turnout for any vote in decades. 17 million people voted for Brexit. I wasn't one of them. But can you imagine the Prime Minister turning around to those 17 million people and going 'nice one lads but it was just bantz. We're not actually gonna leave'? It'd destroy any faith in the democratic process.
What I disagree with you on Sults is that people voted in ignorance. That is just not true. We were all told, repeatedly, this will f-k you up: The Prime Minister said it, the Treasury said it, the Bank of England said it. We were told over and over, your family could end up poorer. People can't say 'I didn't know.' What they should admit is 'I knew but I just believed it was "project fear."' People were told but they didn't believe the warnings.
There was nothing fixed or unfair about this vote. People got the information they needed to make a choice. Lord knows, I was scared enough about a recession and what might happen with my job that I voted remain. Other people just felt differently. That's democracy I guess. Now we just need to see what the consequences are.
PS) Not to Sults but to people bigging up David Lammy. David Lammy knows Parliament has no control over foreign treaties. As soon as article 50 is triggered its not up to us anyway. We could make a new law saying we're still in the EU. That wouldn't mean the EU would have to accept it. A divorce is a two way thing. You can't tell your wife to get bent and then, if you change your mind, just expect she'll take you back!
Also the likely fallout will be EEA membership which will piss off Leave voters no end. But that anger will hurt Labour more than the Tories. Look forward to a FPTP choice between Conservatives and UKIP.
It is up to Parliament to accept or to reject the results of the referendum... the "divorce" hasn't actually been decided yet.
Democracy does not equal 'do everything that a very narrow majority wants'. That does not even work in a representative democracy: most countries do have certain laws that cannot be amended or repealed without a qualified majority in parliament.
This referendum isn't legally binding and the significance of its two alternatives are vastly different. Remain would have meant maintaining the status quo: this does not change lives, careers, plans. Life would go on for everyone as it has. With Leave, everything will change. And it's irreversible.
I think it's an absolute farce that such a decision, once left to a referendum, didn't require a qualified majority. Leaving should only happen if at least two thirds of society wants it, simply because it has an impact on everyone and because it's irreversible. I also think the process in this case was a travesty, considering that those who voted Leave did so without having any idea of when and how that's going to happen, what will be the terms of the exit. That is not democratic. If Britain ends up like Norway (that is, they'll be part of the EEA, pay into the EU structural funds, accept freedom of movement but will have no say in policy) can you say that the will of the British people prevailed? That democracy won? Because I don't think that most leavers had such a deal in mind.
I'm not British, I don't live in the UK so it's not that I 'can't accept the result' or anything like that.
Its not. Its up to the Government. All Parliament votes on are laws and money.
Foreign affairs, including declarations of war, are technically, the royal prerogative. The Government does not need to hold any vote on the referendum. Cameron could actually go to Brussels tomorrow and say we're out.
I don't think they can go for EEA membership. That's exactly the same as being in the EU, just without any say about the rules you have to follow. Considering how many people clearly voted based on migration, that was the focus of the leave campaign for the last six weeks, there would be social chaos if we still had free movement.
David Cameron's deal was actually quite good. Under its terms we could've kicked out any EU migrant here for six months who hadn't found a job. The EU won't give us anything like that again.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887
http://www.businessinsider.com/green-eu-referendum-not-legally-binding-brexit-2016-6
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ng-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
http://www.theweek.co.uk/eu-referendum/73775/is-the-eu-referendum-result-legally-binding
So let me get this straight: you actually believe this is going to end up with no free movement? The fact the leave MPs are now admitting 'free movement' will not be a factor in future trade deals is not an indicator?
Sot of. The EU won't negotiate new terms for us staying, and shouldn't have to, but what they can do is negotiate new trading terms for when we leave.
Given this new information, then a second referendum could be held on whether to stay, on existing terms, or leave, and accept the new ones.
Can't see that happening at all. What happens now will be a precedent for every country which may weigh up the pros and cons of a referendum/leaving and I'm quite sure that the remaining EU states won't be willing to send any message that encourages it.
I think it could have disastrous consequences for the democratic process if the UK parliament overturns the result of the referendum, from the thousands or millions of people who would completely lose faith in elections, to the people on the fringes of the spectrum who would probably radicalize even further.
from another forum, which sums the economical things up for me:
„Brilliant. So, essentially, we will still have to enter the common market in order to trade with the EU, but that requires us to keep the freedom of movement, same as Norway or Switzerland. Also, we will have to pay the fee to enter that market, which is likely to be very close to what we are paying now (oh, the shock! The NHS wont see any of that 350 mil after all!) So, in the grand scheme of things, nothing really changes, but we no longer have any say on how the eu is run. Well done. So clever. But at least we are all now independent and free, right? Right?“
„Brilliant. So, essentially, we will still have to enter the common market in order to trade with the EU, but that requires us to keep the freedom of movement, same as Norway or Switzerland. Also, we will have to pay the fee to enter that market, which is likely to be very close to what we are paying now (oh, the shock! The NHS wont see any of that 350 mil after all!) So, in the grand scheme of things, nothing really changes, but we no longer have any say on how the eu is run. Well done. So clever. But at least we are all now independent and free, right? Right?“
A proposed UK deal could be a template for anyone wanting to leave. No further action needed. Remember the EU wouldn't be offering anyone new terms for staying, only those for anyone that leaves.
In theory, if you invoke the article 50 you are out. You have two years to find an agreement with the EU and after that they can refuse to discuss with you.