Can't see it myself. Most leave voters I know are now aware of the ridiculousness of it all.
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Can't see it myself. Most leave voters I know are now aware of the ridiculousness of it all.
Even after all the uncertainty and chaos around the Government there are still people banging on about protecting our borders. Leave will surely pull some lie out of their arse again to convince people.
Do you really think so? Interesting. Most people that I speak to have either revised their decision now they have all the facts or (a much larger figure) didn't vote in the first place as they never thought it would go through – but definitely would now.
We will have to see what most people you speak to think if the EU rejects May's soft brexit plans, or asks for so much money in return that no British government would ever pay it.
I don't know if this will actually happen, or what the public reaction will be if it does, but neither does anyone else.
WTF
I agree - I think there was some complacency among the remain side last time which would definitely not be repeated. Also, we have had 2 years of proof that a “have cake and eat it” arrangement is not possible so, rather than re-run Project Fear, remain would simply need to keep pinning down leave on specifics - i.e. what is your actual proposal beyond David Davis back of a fag packet scribblings and bluster about a red white and blue Brexit?
After giving it a thought last night, I'm beginning to think another referendum or GE is inevitable. May's plan is not going to get through parliament. A harder brexit plan would also never see the light of day. If this plan doesn't get through parliament as is looking likely, she's finished.
Davis resignation has increased the chances of a no deal. Imagine she makes more concessions?
Davis resignation has increased the chances of a no deal. Imagine she makes more concessions?
Who is actually advocating a 2nd referendum? May isn't, her cabinet isn't, much of the Tory party doesn't seem to be, Corbyn isn't. Maybe a GE will be called with the promise of a 2nd referendum from either side but I don't think they will do that. A GE seems the more likely option but with two pro-Brexit candidates from the two major parties.
I am reasonably sure we'd vote Leave if there's another vote. I don't think Remain would turn out.
it's all very easy criticizing a millionaire who went into government to further his business interests and changed policy so that his private school pals could make a killing in contracts and the stock market and then send the country over the cliff and jumps off just in time so that he can make a killing with said friends at its expense.
What makes you the moral aurhority sir??
I think a lot of people didn't vote because they were convinced that it would be a remain whitewash.
I guess i'm just hopeful that there will be less people who actually believe them.
We haven't reached that point yet. There is a chance we will when no brexit bill can pass through parliament.
I simply refuse to believe it's got to the point where the only choice is "Would you like your BREXIT soft or hard sir?".
No BREXIT has to be thrown back into the mix … surely?
BTW: This is me agreeing with you!
If anything I'd say the leaver's will be more determined to get out than ever. what's changed from their point of view only the EU fecking the UK around (according to brexiteer's, that is) ?
What's the point of another referendum? Just admit it's not gone to plan and as such cannot be followed through with
Governments are chickens who can't make tough decisions. If there is another GE or referendum, I don't expect No Brexit to be on the table.
Both will probably be fought over how hard or soft you want your brexit.
That's my point and why I think the government will go back to the people. The hard brexiteers would also have the same problem if they took over government.
You can't just hold a referendum and forget it happened.
I see your point, but from a personal perspective then people I associate with have changed their minds and can see that Brexit was a bad judgement call.
It would never happen but there should be another referendum - although saying that there was a lot of bad blood around after the first.
Sad to say but the best chance of a soft brexit is actually May retaining as much power as possible. What a fecked up situation.
Since it was advisory only you could in fact do exactly that. They're too spineless to do that though so will piss around with hard/soft options that will never work or throw it back to the public as a second referendum
Agreed, JRM and BJ would happily let us crash out with no deal, in fact this chaos just runs the clock down. They're probably rubbing their hands together and smirking.
Who exactly would front the remain campaign? David Beckham?
Farage fronted leave and won. I don't think the celebrity pull is that important. Although, more would certainly get involved in a second referendum.
Danny Dyer
#GarethSouthgateWould
Blair again.
Surely guiding your country into something that you don't believe in yourself is the hardest thing to do?
The easiest thing is to go back to the people for another "opinion poll" (after all that's all it was) but this time presenting them with all the facts, surely?
Both main party leaders were originally against BREXIT (if I'm wrong on that I'm sorry) so that immediately tells me they cannot deliver it however hard or soft it's boiled!
However, I'm pretty sure that no politician will want to go down in the history books as the person in charge that guided Britain into the black hole that is BREXIT. I've yet to hear a single positive (especially one that will not cost every single British citizen something) and we're doing this … for what? Especially at a time when groups of countries are starting to see the benefit of collective bargaining and negotiating, we want to isolate ourselves?
Can't be considered wrong if you replace the wrong article with one where you're right.
BJ and Gove are smart enough to realise that no good can come from taking control of this situation. The deal that satisfies the majority of the country is impossible, it doesn’t exist.
I honestly don’t think any of them are big enough ‘believers’ in the Brexit project to want to put their heads above the parapet and challenge TM. We’ll quickly be back to the same status quo we’ve been in since the election. It’s ridiculous that TM stayed on from that point, but no-one wants to take her role and be blamed for the rest of their lives for failing at the Brexit negotiations, especially if they are one of those who pushed for Brexit in the first place.
Raab C. Brexit
He voted leave.
Yeah he voted leave but it wouldn't surprise me if he would vote remain now.
His reasoning for voting leave was he had no idea what the politicians were doing all day and he felt they should do something. May have realised you can't just flog a dead horse.
Why not? It wasn't binding. Nothing would happen. Half the people that voted leave didn't a give a shit about it beforehand, didn't have a clue during and won't even notice afterwards. They'll complain on Facebook and forget about it the next day.
The country has already wasted enough time and our money trying to work out how they (we) can get shafted as little as possible. Just a stupid exercise altogether.
Keen for this.
It was an advisory referendum. Not legally binding.
The rest of the world must be pissing themselves at us. Our government is so far beyond a joke now it's just not funny anymore.
He is the encapsulation of a set of leave voters who are clearly stupid. He simply didn't know what he was voting for.
And again why I say I think the government will go back to the people. No politician in this country has the balls to ignore the vote. Certainly not in the two main parties.
Raab was a key leaver. So what as he seen in this proposal that David Davis did not.