Exactly and because he's on the winning side now he says nothing obviously...
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Exactly and because he's on the winning side now he says nothing obviously...
Not just one, two.So we've got Leave MEP's admitting we'll probably still have free movement.
Poor Brexiters.
Nigel Evan and Daniel Hannan.
So we've got Leave MEP's admitting we'll probably still have free movement.
Poor Brexiters.
It was always the case. You will pay more, respect the same regulations and still have free movement.
People have voted to live like in the 70's and against globalization but lacked the most basic understanding on what was happening.
Ideologically they're in the centre. They'll shift to the left or right on certain issues and tend to be more left of centre than right of centre. They're an amalgamation of two parties: The Liberal party and the Social Democrats which should explain roughly what their views are and where they're coming from.
They're now our 4th largest party – both by vote share (beaten by UKIP) and number of MPs (by the SNP) – and got slaughtered in the last election losing 48 MPs.
They were in coalition with the Tories between 2010-2015 and although they protected us from the worst excesses of the Tories they didn't do anywhere near as much as they could have.
But the real reason, the reason why I and many others will never vote for them again, is because of what they did to students. They were the student party. They ran on a manifesto promise to scrap 'unfair tuition fees' and all 57 MP's signed a pledge to the National Union of Students to oppose any attempts to raise them. You can probably guess what they did. In 2010 less than a year in government the Conservatives proposed to raise the cap on tuition fees from £3,000 to £9,000 (I know these aren't huge numbers compared to the US, but still) it split the Lib Dems and not only did most Lib Dems not oppose the changes they actively voted for them. In the end the vote passed by 21 with 27 Lib Dems voting for it and some abstaining.
At the very least their current leader, Tim Farron, was one of the 21 Lib Dem MPs with enough of a backbone to do what he said he would. But I'm not forgiving them, not yet at least, and don't think I can ever trust them again.
I feel confident they would change their vote based on the fact that immigration will not change one bit. This was the crux of the argument for many people and what caused them to vote Brexit.
We vote on caste and religious lines, at least we don't declare next day we voted for the wrong caste
Only the first part is her's I used the right v easy quote to make my point.
That's objectively wrong and has been polled constantly. Greeks want to remain. Of course they do, EU is the only thing standing standing between them and a very real doom of their statehood.
I don't know if that's true.
Still a good point.Only the first part is her's I used the right v easy quote to make my point.
I think they wouldn't have voted.
Levers were exceptionally motivated to vote because many of them thought they could end mass immigration once and for all.
Is there no end to the evil of this man?:
The democratic process isn't without significant failings.
If 52% of people voted to take away the vote of 48% should it be enacted?
What about if 52% of people voted to take away 48% of people's citizenship?
What about if 52% of people voted to take away 48% of people's EU citizenship and EU vote?
I think it's dawning on people that the reasons they voted to leave are utter horse-shit. I don't think Remain would win by a landslide as suggested, but given there were <2 million votes in it, I could see Remain coming out on top if the information on immigration and the NHS had been made public on the day before the vote rather than the day after.
I would expect it to be true. The immigration lie was a huge part of the Brexit vote.
Only 43% of 18-24s voted, the lazy shits.
It's all well and good blaming the elderly, but apathy from youngsters is what created this result. And it's a result which probably doesn't reflect the opinions of the populace as whole.
Had the referendum required compulsory participation, we would have voted Remain.
It's all well and good blaming the elderly, but apathy from youngsters is what created this result. And it's a result which probably doesn't reflect the opinions of the populace as whole.
Had the referendum required compulsory participation, we would have voted Remain.
No they didn't.
Britain hates foreigners more than it cares about its youth.
I am just saying the government has to respect the vote. Anything else would be a huge affront to democracy.
Also those who think a revote would come down on the Remain side are I think sorely mistaken. There might be some Leave voters who would change but half a million? I doubt it.
Think there would be an even bigger turnout If there was a second vote. Scotland had a low turnout and young people were down on numbers. Would certainly be interesting.
Yeah exactly my point
As Freyar Stark, who I think was Eddard's sister, once said
“There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.”
At least we are doing what the majority believe will make them happy.
“There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.”
At least we are doing what the majority believe will make them happy.
Such an important issue should have been compulsory.
It's amazing if anyone changes vote if that's the case. Our vote just underlined the division between London and the rest of the UK.We vote on caste and religious lines, at least we don't declare next day we voted for the wrong caste
Agreed.
It's not a legally binding agreement they made it so that it is only advisory. The referendum advises MP's how to vote but the decision still remains with them. That is the democratic process. We voted them in and now they make policy.
We don't actually know do we. 72% turnout, 52% Leave.
So we know 38% of the electorate wanted to leave.
It amuses me seeing the leave side keep banging on about "stop caling us thick" whilst simultaneously resorting to both saying the remain side are "crying in their cornflakes" and "very angry" everytime someone tries to explain why this was a bad decision. Thye literally have no actual answers to sensible questions about what comes next.
Very much so.
Very much so.
Thanks for the explanation! Liberal Democrat has a very different connotation in the US.
Good on the voters for kicking them out of office for that crap. Wish that American voters were as quick to act sometimes.
Exactly, Brexit only won by 4 points anyway so it's not like they'd be going against a landslide win if they vote it down. The fact that it was relatively close makes me think that they may vote to stay in the EU myself but thats probably me being more optimistic than anything.
My main point is that if the truth about the immigration issue was known, a lot of Leave voters wouldn't have turned up.
A lot of people came out to vote specifically for that issue.
A lot of people came out to vote specifically for that issue.
..and that point I believe is correct.
BBC: Brexit? Will you pay more - or less - for the things you love, eat and use every single day after the UK vote?
Can someone explain to me why all the media/news outlets are releasing stories saying that the EU want us to leave immediately despite our parliament still having to vote on the issue so technically it's still undecided
Let's get real here, if it wasn't going to be the will of the people being carried out, there wouldn't have been such extensive campaigning. The people have decided, it's democracy, respect it and accept the future.
If you lot got your wish and the will of the majority is ignored, I'd rather not live in a country like that.
Everything that comes in has gone up the pound has fallen through the floor. we'll find that petrol will be far more expensive in the coming weeks.
If I had happened to vote leave only then to discover it was under false pretences I'd be angry and have every right to be.
Yeah because if Leave lost they would have stopped campaigning for it. Farage only moments after voting stopped said live on air that they wouldn't stop.
But we should just give up? Without due respect, pick your battles.
The only reason these questions are popular on this site is the result of the vote.
Edit: sorry, I do have an answer. There are constitutionally guaranteed rights (not anymore though
) which underpin and restrict what the voting public can do.I'd say a large portion of the leavers' main issue was the amount of Polish bakeries cropping up around the country and as a result putting traditional English bakeries out of business. In fact the vast majority of leave voters that I spoke to kept on harping about closing the borders and some were scared their children would have to learn multiple languages (I kid you not...). Must admit I'll be chuckling when we've still got the same flow of immigrants... Just who the feck will they blame then?
Schadenfreude!