'Will of/on the patients'
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We are in sort of Trump territory where you can't criticise Corby and avoid accousations of not being a labour supporter. We have a leader that has a cult around him I agree with him on most topics but I'm entitled to call him out over this. And so happens this topic is big fecking issue.
I'm being told it's too politically difficult to even suggest maybe we should discuss FoM. You'd think we voted to leave by a landslide.
Feck off!
I'm being told it's too politically difficult to even suggest maybe we should discuss FoM. You'd think we voted to leave by a landslide.
Feck off!
I wonder who had contributed to society more between a doctor who save lives on a daily basis and the high class snob who got his arse kicked by Ali G.
We are in sort of Trump territory where you can't criticise Corby and avoid accousations of not being a labour supporter. We have a leader that has a cult around him I agree with him on most topics but I'm entitled to call him out over this. And so happens this topic is big fecking issue.
I'm being told it's too politically difficult to even suggest maybe we should discuss FoM. You'd think we voted to leave by a landslide.
Feck off!
And in the same manner you lot accuse anyone of having the opposite opinion as being a cult following while frothing at the mouth in anger, funny how that works.
'Will of/on the patients'
Did anyone point out to him that politicians should focus on lying rather than meddling in health issues.
I could have sworn that I heard Theresa May say on more than one occasion that the country is more united than ever.
The Remainers squabbling with Brexiters.
Tories squabbling with Tories.
Labour squabbling with Labour.
And all squabbling with each other.
Brexit that giveth happiness and joy to one and all.
The Remainers squabbling with Brexiters.
Tories squabbling with Tories.
Labour squabbling with Labour.
And all squabbling with each other.
Brexit that giveth happiness and joy to one and all.
We are in sort of Trump territory where you can't criticise Corby and avoid accousations of not being a labour supporter. We have a leader that has a cult around him I agree with him on most topics but I'm entitled to call him out over this. And so happens this topic is big fecking issue.
I'm being told it's too politically difficult to even suggest maybe we should discuss FoM. You'd think we voted to leave by a landslide.
Feck off!
His problem is this:
The majority of the subset of Conservatives who are also staunch Remainers would never consider voting Labour even if it meant scuppering Brexit.
On the other hand, the subset of Labour voters who would either vote for a Tory government or abstain for 5 years just to ensure Brexit happens is considerably larger than the subset Tory Remainers who would vote for labour.
So sadly, it would be political suicide. The result would be a large Tory Majority and dickheads like Boris and Rees Mogg would be free to push through whatever they liked.
At least by “supporting the vote” it gives Corbyn a chance to sneak into power if it all goes tits up and even if Brexit is damaging, at least we would have a government who will be interested in protecting national services and the basic rights and interests of the majority of the British public.
Im not sure I see that myself - I think his base and supporters will support him prety much whatever he does but he wont win over any new support.
The conservatives should be on course to be crushed in the next election given the shablmes they have made but I fully expect that May will be gone by summer 2019 after a clusterfec of a brexit deal (and whoever was in charge i think they would have made a rubbish deal as its almost impossible to negotiate such a deal in those timescales but that said she has on top of that handled her party and the public message badly as well)... that will give e new leader around 2 years to bang on about the economy and how vital stability is - and how they are doing such a jolly good job here is some nice electable tax cuts and boom another election to the blues
The twat at the end killed me.
You were an extra in the plot twist of one of his shite movies??
Pretty much this. What Corbyn and Labour are doing is basic politics, not sure how anyone can be that annoyed by it.
With the added bonus that he gets Brexit as well, which is what he really wants in the first place, the lying twat. Basic politics my arse.
Of course you're not sure. How can anybody in their left mind get annoyed about Jeremy Communist?
Yes.
We are in sort of Trump territory where you can't criticise Corby and avoid accousations of not being a labour supporter. We have a leader that has a cult around him I agree with him on most topics but I'm entitled to call him out over this. And so happens this topic is big fecking issue.
I'm being told it's too politically difficult to even suggest maybe we should discuss FoM. You'd think we voted to leave by a landslide.
Feck off!
Much as I'm becoming increasingly annoyed by him, I still find the 'cult' accusations a bit silly. He's got plenty of fervent supporters but then that's usually the case with any major party leader. Have seen plenty who aren't that keen on him, but like the general ideals he's promoting all the same.
I mean...I sort of agree with this, in that I can see why it's the approach Corbyn is taking...but then if we're arguing this, could I not hypothetically argue that Miliband was just playing politics in not being particularly hard against austerity because there was a generalised support for it? Or that Labour leaders who've employed harsh rhetoric against immigration, in order to placate anti-immigrant supporters, were just playing politics? The entire point of Corbyn's election was that he'd be an honest politician who'd support his own left-wing ideals irrespective of how those ideals were being perceived by the wider public. If polling consistently suggested the public supported right-wing economics, Labour leftists would (rightfully) be up in arms if Corbyn thus adjusted his platform and moved to the centre.
I'd be less annoyed or critical of this if it was consistently reaping successes for Corbyn and if he was pulling further and further away in polling. But he isn't. Against a really, really bad Tory government. And while he was able to boost his standing during last year's election, because he employed a genuinely good campaign that energised voters, if there's another one soon he's not going to come across well if he just pretends Brexit isn't a thing.
I'm not sure I agree. First of all, I think Corbyn is actively wants hard brexit regardless of any political calculation. If he is indeed calculating anything, I think he's bet that his core voters would vote for labour regardless of his position of brexit.
Where is think he's mistaken is, if brexit ends up being a shambles, part of the shitstain would fall on him whether he likes it or not. And what's worse, I think it would stop a lot of would be labour voters (young voters) who are overwhelmingly against Brexit from going to the polls.
Or that Blair was playing centrist politics cause that's where the votes were.
You can't have it both ways.
I'd fall into the later category. But there's an effort by some to paint the people not happy with his position on brexit as Blairite centrists. I don't think that's ubdeniable.
Paul Mason being one and I like Paul Mason or used to like him.
For what it's worth, I do think the Corbynites are correct in that there are groups of Labour supporters who - in their opposition to Brexit - don't seem to realise that the British political landscape has changed significantly, and that Brexit isn't necessarily a weird anomaly but instead a consequence of that and a reaction to inequality and neoliberal politics etc. Those people will no doubt feel incredibly aggrieved if their views are essentially ignored and swept aside as racist, undignified etc.
But at the same time if you're going to aim for an open, liberal society then you ultimately have to fight for that, and pacifying such voices on Brexit continually strikes me as fairly disingenuous.
Yeah that could've of been the case but a lot of people didn't like that approach so they joined in big numbers to change the party. If people aren't happy with Labour view on Brexit well then they should join the party and try to change it. What we have at the moment is a small group of conservatives and liberals voters complaining that a socialist labour leader isn't listening to their demands. I posted a newstatemans article a few pages back which put it well - It's far easier for some to image all that's needed to stay in the EU is to change one man mind rather then the reality being that it will take years possibly decades of fighting.
The whole of point(In the beginning anyway)was to elect a far left leader with the hope of moving politics to the left(The honest politics stuff was always just nice P.R).
Yeah I would agree with you here but then at the same time I really couldn't give a shit about polling any more.
Seriously? That’s how you’d categorise Labour voters who think Corbyn should do more to oppose Brexit?
What exactly is a Danny Dyer and why does he talk like that?
I am in agreement. Above all I'm a realist. There are some of our fellow people on the left that have the fantasy of a leftist utopia post brexit and I fear Corbyn is part of that crew.
The reality will be very different.
I agree that the political landscape has changed. However I do not believe for a second that it's changed so much so that we can't even have a debate about having a liberal society.
I think people who want to maintain some of that have a right to be angry their party leaders seem to have succembed to fear.
He's a cockney actor. That's how they talk in that part of London.
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Part of what I was saying.
It's the weirdest cockney accent I've heard. But he says 'Twat' with a delivery that McKellen wishes he could emulate.
The recent criticisms of Labour Brexit stance has come from 1)The Pro EU march which mostly had Lib Dems and pro EU conservatives 2)The banner at the Labour Live thing was from a group who share a office with former Lib Dems and Tory politicians.
It wasn't meant as a dig.
The whole point may be to move politics towards the left - nevertheless all political leaders have to be aware of what's happening in a more general context as well. If Brexit's a disaster and Corbyn's seen as having placated it I suspect the Labour centrists will take advantage in the long-term. Corbyn's left-wing politics don't exist in a cosy vacuum - Brexit's the biggest national issue (generally speaking) we face right now and promoting a left-wing platform filled with mostly reasonable and decent ideas while ignoring it evidently strikes a lot of people as somewhere between delusional and disingenuous.
Ultimately the group who're benefiting most from his stance here are right-wing Brexiteers who want to see less immigrants.
I'm coming around more to the idea that the window of opportunity for the first-world Left created by the financial crisis has been repeatedly squandered and is now beyond reach. Bernie and Corbyn were mirages that gave false hope of something changing. In both countries, domestic politics will ensure they will not get power. The other ticking clock is global warming, and 2016 made sure that's ahead of schedule. The world is fecked.
What part of London would that be?
East London.
Only chavs from Essex who think it's cool to be a cockney caricature talk like he does.
I work for a foreign exchange company.
The pound is going to fall off a cliff in March isn't it?
The pound is going to fall off a cliff in March isn't it?
I don't think people will wait 'til the last minute to sell pounds. If it does fall off a cliff it will be at the moment 'no deal' becomes probable, not several months afterwards.
And of course those of us with foreign assets will clean up again, whilst those without will just have the inflation to deal with.
The paradox of brexit is summed up when you find out Danny Dyer voted to leave.
Should start falling from October when it starts to become clear we are leaving without a deal. I know traders who are already shorting the £.
Or when a no-deal is a certain outcome.
Not to worry though, Brexiters will say the UK's exports will be even more cheap (worthless) and it was overvalued (yet again) anyway.