The EU doesn't want the UK or anyone else exploiting the poorer countries of the EU, it's not as difficult to understand as you make it @Don't Kill Bill
Not paying into the EU but having full access would lead to massive exploitation.
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The EU doesn't want the UK or anyone else exploiting the poorer countries of the EU, it's not as difficult to understand as you make it @Don't Kill Bill
Not paying into the EU but having full access would lead to massive exploitation.
But its will be the eu decision not to let the uk cheery pick
It seems europe is not interested in the uk 600 year old trick
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...on-deal-swiss-foreign-secretary-a7536896.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...on-deal-swiss-foreign-secretary-a7536896.html
Interesting in the context of Teresa May's (and people in this thread's) assertion that reducing immigration is the electorate's main priority in Brexit negotiations. The danger of leaving middle-aged Tories in charge of policies intended to win votes from UKIP.
Arguably true as the turnout for the younger people in the referendum was poor
Yeah, the low turnout was a disaster. So a big chunk of the younger generation have only themselves to blame for what is going on. Doesn't make this anti-immigration "red line" any more misleading in terms of what the average man/woman on the street really cares about.
no - though arguably with the "average voter" (as in voted in the referendum) and this so called enacting the will of the people which lets be honest this chart shows its hardly a clear thing
Arguably true as the turnout for the younger people in the referendum was poor
That's based on the discredited Sky Data tweet.
Seven months since the referendum. Don't time fly.
aye... 7 months and it seems we still don't have a fully formulated negotiating position... the courts are yet to rule on if article 50 can be submitted without a commons vote... the status / rights of people already in this country has not been clarified and we are only going to have 24 months to get any trade deal negotiated, agreed and signed off by 27 other countries... to say the least I'm not overly optimistic on us getting too much agreed by March 2019
I'm going to be a complete geriatric before this lot's even half over!
Then again look a the US, if Trump does get his own way it will take decades to rebuild political and trade alliances for them.
Then again look a the US, if Trump does get his own way it will take decades to rebuild political and trade alliances for them.
Spicer praises bilateral trade agreements
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...executive-actions-meetings-ahead-first-press/
Some potentially good news for the UK, as Mr Spicer has bashed multinational agreements like TPP and praised bilateral negotiation.
"When you enter into this multinational agreements, you're basically putting every other country on par with the United States," he said.
I think that says it all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...executive-actions-meetings-ahead-first-press/
Some potentially good news for the UK, as Mr Spicer has bashed multinational agreements like TPP and praised bilateral negotiation.
"When you enter into this multinational agreements, you're basically putting every other country on par with the United States," he said.
I think that says it all.
no - though arguably with the "average voter" (as in voted in the referendum) and this so called enacting the will of the people which lets be honest this chart shows its hardly a clear thing
It shows how few people voted to remain as well.
In a situation like this, you can only go with the votes of those who showed up or you are stuffed.
Government loses appeal.
Was nice knowing Labour.
Surprise, surprise, at least Brexiters should be happy that democracy still just about exists in the UK.
Any chance we'll get to see round 2 via a general election?
Pleasing result.
Prolonging the inevitable, I'm afraid. Who in parliament is actually going to vote against it?
You would imagine anybody with a brain, but you're right it's just prolonging the inevitable. Maybe the house of lords will surprise us.
The difference now is that Parliament must agree to the governments exit plan.
Not at all. They want British Justice, British Law, British Judges - but not in this case
SNP and Lib Dems will. A small handful of Tories like Ken Clarke and maybe 50 Labour MPs, but vote will still be something like 500 for and 150 against.
It will probably be a rubber stamp job. Who votes how will be closely monitored by the Brexiters, I imagine. If things go badly wrong, who will be to blame merely for obeying "the will of the people" ?
Enjoy it while it lasts, chaps.
Not at all. They want British Justice, British Law, British Judges - but not in this case
Although not expecting it, it would be quite hilarious if the House of Lords threw out any proposed Act of Parliament just to prove how democratic the British system is, as opposed to the EU.
Maybe May will refer the case to the ECJ
So the Law Lords of the Supreme Court have made a decision, but their vote was actually quite split, by eight to three. I think we need to know a bit more about these Law Lords and how they voted.
How old are they? what are their educational achievements? what sex are they? and where do they all live?
I think the votes of the oldest ones should be discounted for a kick-off, how many years will they have to live with their decision, I wonder? Not sure about any Northern Lords having a vote either, some of them have never even met a European.
How old are they? what are their educational achievements? what sex are they? and where do they all live?
I think the votes of the oldest ones should be discounted for a kick-off, how many years will they have to live with their decision, I wonder? Not sure about any Northern Lords having a vote either, some of them have never even met a European.
Heh. Very good. Although I guess you can console yourself with the thought that - unlike the electorate - the Law Lords have made a career out of not allowing personal bias interfere with making the correct decision.
Didn't know where to post this.
A cnut will always be a cnut.
A cnut will always be a cnut.
I suppose 'the establishment' is a bit of a nebulous concept, but insofar as it exists, them feckers is bang in the middle of it.
Poor attempt.
Is this his response to MacGregor saying he doesn't want to be on a show with him because he ruins the natural narrative of the show in favour of making it about himself?
Nobody is saying it will stop Brexit. It's important that it's not "Theresa May's Brexit" though. As I think @MikeUpNorth said, the effects of this will go beyond this Conservative term and as such the other parties should have their say otherwise it's going to be chopped and changed every decade or so which is fecking expensive.
Yes.
It's fun basically because it annoys people like IDS and Julia Hartley-Brewer.
So his response is a big attention seeking tweet to make the narrative about himself?
Exactly. The guy is a monumental prick.
Paul Nuttall saying that "though this skirmish has been lost in the courts, the war will be won," strikes me as an...err, threatening statement? Can someone tell this over-dramatic moron we are not at war?
There's a real paranoia and sort of weird single-mindedness about this whole thing from Brexiteers, who seem determined to enact their own unified version of Brexit, with no qualms or disputes from the other side, when that's not at all what was voted for.
The fact it's going to Parliament means MP's can table amendments, suggest changes etc to improve Brexit, and ensure the best possible scenario is offered to the British people. That seems completely fair to me. It's exactly what we voted for...and yet it seems a fair bunch of those who voted Brexit have a fair bit of contempt for the process of British democracy they voted to take back.
There's a real paranoia and sort of weird single-mindedness about this whole thing from Brexiteers, who seem determined to enact their own unified version of Brexit, with no qualms or disputes from the other side, when that's not at all what was voted for.
The fact it's going to Parliament means MP's can table amendments, suggest changes etc to improve Brexit, and ensure the best possible scenario is offered to the British people. That seems completely fair to me. It's exactly what we voted for...and yet it seems a fair bunch of those who voted Brexit have a fair bit of contempt for the process of British democracy they voted to take back.