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You're heading off down a different path here, but panic buying has happened before on fuel in the UK, it's not a new phenomenon. It'll happen again for sure. Panic buying in this case happened due to the media coverage, nothing else. The gap between supply & demand in both January 2021 and late April/May 2021 were far bigger than what we saw in September until the media coverage kicked in, which drove the significant demand. Based on the data that's there, there's little else that would suggest it's down to anything other than something skewing/driving the average demand, ie. the media.

So as the number of HGV and tankers drivers continue to diminish whether or not HGV tests are back to normal or not and gets worse next year because of Brexit these shortages will become more and more regular, with or without the media.
The question remains why is it only in the UK.
 
That wasn't news though, there was bigger supply 'shortages' at two other points during 2021 that would warrant coverage. Neither were reported, and panic buying didn't happen. Go figure.
Surely that would depend on what other news was on and how much news space there was?
 
  • The Brexit minister Lord Frost argued for a rethink of the Northern Ireland protocol. In a speech in Portugal, he said the deal his government sought, signed up to and then trumpeted loudly was unacceptable and unworkable. He said it would, therefore, be imprudent of the EU to try to enforce it.
  • Frost was accused of lacking maturity by Labour. “Instead of approaching the occasion with maturity and in the spirit of cooperation, Lord Frost has effectively asked to rip up the agreement he negotiated – and the prime minister signed – just two years ago,” his opposite number Baroness Jenny Chapman said.

Who would have thought at the time that David Davis was the at the pinnacle of UK Brexit Negotiators, all downhill ever since.
 
  • The Brexit minister Lord Frost argued for a rethink of the Northern Ireland protocol. In a speech in Portugal, he said the deal his government sought, signed up to and then trumpeted loudly was unacceptable and unworkable. He said it would, therefore, be imprudent of the EU to try to enforce it.
  • Frost was accused of lacking maturity by Labour. “Instead of approaching the occasion with maturity and in the spirit of cooperation, Lord Frost has effectively asked to rip up the agreement he negotiated – and the prime minister signed – just two years ago,” his opposite number Baroness Jenny Chapman said.

Who would have thought at the time that David Davis was the at the pinnacle of UK Brexit Negotiators, all downhill ever since.

Brexiteers were hot on moaning about unelected bureaucrats in the EU however they seem awfully quiet when this unelected idiot signs a deal then goes back on it months later. I mean shambles doesn't do it justice. This is an absolute shitshow across the board by this Government and morons in this country are letting them get away with it. I've never felt angrier at the state of politics in this country.
 
That would require people to actually be using all the fuel they have hoarded and then go back for more, no?

Yes, just like they actually used all the bog-rolls which disappeared off supermarket shelves when rumours of a lockdown started.
More likely they were selling it in jerry cans off the back of a lorry..(not HGV though) ;)
 
The way this Government is playing politics over the Protocol is honestly what has angered me the most about all of this, all the way back to Cameron thinking he was a political genius by calling the referendum.
 


Fcuking hell. “This queue is due to idiots… while they sit in a queue”. The cognitive dissonance to see everyone else in the queue as having invalid reasons as you validate your own reasons for being in the queue is horrifying.
 
I saw a chart a couple of weeks ago showing the regions of the UK, and the ones having the lowest stocks were in the south of England. Wish I had kept it now.
Obviously panic buying tipped it over the edge but why is there only panic buying in the UK? Do gullible people only believe what's in the press; we know the answer, we found that out over five years ago.

It will happen again.

Its not panic buying. My local station is still out of fuel. As are the two nearby. People can’t fill up full tanks. We can’t get fuel from refineries to stations quick enough. Normal BAU is not possible right now in many areas.

Of course panic buying is a problem. It made a small problem into a big one. But people haven’t started driving more, they filled up and are now avoiding trips. We should have fully stocked petrol stations. They’re still closed.
 
The way this Government is playing politics over the Protocol is honestly what has angered me the most about all of this, all the way back to Cameron thinking he was a political genius by calling the referendum.
I think they’ll end up triggering Article 16 to suspend the protocol and then be forced into a humiliating climbdown once a real trade war starts.
 
I think they’ll end up triggering Article 16 to suspend the protocol and then be forced into a humiliating climbdown once a real trade war starts.

I await the day the UK agrees to rejoin and these Tories try spin it as the plan all along. We'll end up on worse terms and they'll claim to have beaten the EU.
 


Watching this again… it’s just remarkable, isn’t it?

“It is what it is”, is a phrase that’s become particularly popular in recent years with thick cnuts.

It’s a really odd saying in this context - basically like saying, “I have zero insight, want zero insight and am choosing ineffectuality and apathy”.

This is after actively causing the problem itself.
 
Watching this again… it’s just remarkable, isn’t it?

“It is what it is”, is a phrase that’s become particularly popular in recent years with thick cnuts.

It’s a really odd saying in this context - basically like saying, “I have zero insight, want zero insight and am choosing ineffectuality and apathy”.

This is after actively causing the problem itself.

'It is what it is as long as those immigrants ain't coming in and taking our jobs'. Show them the shortage of workers on farms and in HGV drivers and they still won't come up with a competent response. It's a reflection of society and a clear demonstration a binary referendum such as we had was a stupid idea because no one had a clue what they were voting for when it came to Brexit and 6 years on, people still don't know. I'm still waiting for those famous cards we must hold.
 
If it’s Festival season perhaps Stormzy or U.K rapper Dave could become useful scapegoats…
Speaking of festivals, I thought the Festival of Brexit was meant to kick off in autumn? Not heard anything on that in months.
 
Speaking of festivals, I thought the Festival of Brexit was meant to kick off in autumn? Not heard anything on that in months.

FFS I forgot about that.

They should be MADE to still hold that though… they’re almost trying to act as if Brexit doesn’t exist anymore.

A nice, big Brexit festival would be fecking excellent cuz it’d stop them from denying its existence!
 
Is this serious?



And then there's this:


That second person might misunderstand what 'war' means here - and that you cannot very much attack the EU countries one by one if you go to war with a trading bloc.

Is there anyone outside the circle of the Converted that thinks the UK will come out of a real trade war better than it's doing now? How would that happen? (In serious terms, not empty rhetorics.) A trade war would hurt both parties of course, but I would think that the UK would be affected so much more if the EU went all in on this...
 
Is this serious?



And then there's this:


It’s almost like the brexit deal they told us was the best thing in the history ever was actually terrible.

The way they insult the public’s intelligence and get away with it is terrifying.
 
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And then there's this:


The funny thing is all of europe know that the moment Lord Frosts demands are met he pulls new demands from his arsehole, Boris Johnson.

I don't see any point in all of it anymore. We should let Britain be Britain and let them trade with the sea.
 
Is this serious?



And then there's this:



The whole British government's strategy from when Johnson got to power was to have separate agreements with the EU so at any time they could renegue on one and keep the others.
The EU insisted that it was all tied in together. So if they renegue on one part the whole agreement is lost.

WIthin less than a year it is clear that Brexit is a catastrophe, which was obvious to anyone with any intelligence more than five years ago and will continue to get worse.
The Brexiteers have realised within a year that they're going nowhere, there are no trade deals to be done, to do your the majority of trade with countries thousands of miles away is moronic in all senses especially in a world that is trying to reduce climate problems.

I'm guessing they've reached the point where they're close to saying - Let's go the whole hog. we've nothing to lose.(politically)- there are enough voters who will vote for us as long as we mention horrible foreigners, countries being mean to us, the war and flags.
 
Is this serious?



And then there's this:



The idea that you can wish for a trade war with the country that forms most of your access to the continent (and is closely allied and part of a union with the rest) is kind of hilarious. These guys are out of their fecking minds. They're literally willing to let the country devolve to the 70's just to try and cling to power off the back of nationalist fervour. If people don't start mass protests soon, its going to actually happen.
 
Not sure how many of you listen to The Bunker Podcast, however they had a guest on there for the recent episode that claimed they knew a "card carrying member of the ERG" whom "fantasised about the return of ration books"

around 28:45

 
The idea that you can wish for a trade war with the country that forms most of your access to the continent (and is closely allied and part of a union with the rest) is kind of hilarious. These guys are out of their fecking minds. They're literally willing to let the country devolve to the 70's just to try and cling to power off the back of nationalist fervour. If people don't start mass protests soon, its going to actually happen.

I wonder what would happen if Engie and EDF were involved in that trade war and if the Touquet agreement was ditched.
 
I'm guessing they've reached the point where they're close to saying - Let's go the whole hog. we've nothing to lose.(politically)- there are enough voters who will vote for us as long as we mention horrible foreigners, countries being mean to us, the war and flags.

Paul, basically I would agree with this; politically the Tories are the only show in town just now especially with the 80 seat majority, but there is a problem for the PM and it isn't really the fallout from Brexit or Covid. Boris has made two big promises for the future that he cannot keep because they are mutually exclusive; he cannot deliver (in time) any meaningful 'leveling Up' (in fact probably can only delay or for example downgrade the progress of HR2) and at the same time deliver on the targets for fighting Climate Change. Boris's personal future as PM (if not the Tory Government) rests on him being successful in both, but its impossible; he is digging a hole and nobody's is offering to take the spade off him!

However help is at hand. Boris needs a distraction and Frost is going to give him one, an all out Trade War with the EU. A time when 'stiffening the sinews and summoning up the blood. Crying God for Harry, etc.' will be the battle cry, visions of the Brits with their backs to the Wall, baying and spitting venom at their enemies, shaking their fists, 'come on son, fancy your chances then' adorn the headlines of certain papers! Rally round the flag, cancel all holidays in Europe, buy Aussie and SA wine, etc. "Dig for Victory' and songs like White Cliffs of Dover etc. are heard everywhere.... coming to an area near you soon!!

Always knew you had that gift of the 'Seerer', Paul ;)