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It's not even a downside! 'This would have worked either way' - that's not a negative, is it? It's just a downside to her argument, cause it renders it invalid.
He saved us from Corbyn and the loony left.
Also he is different to most politicians I have had to endure in my lifetime, his transparency is inescapable, its frightening really; however he is teaching the UK public in particular the younger generation a valuable lesson, never give any PM an unassailable 80 seat majority.
Imagine what another more guarded/competent PM could get away with having such an overwhelming majority.
Cummings is 'sniping from behind cover' and he may reveal all sorts of things; however I doubt by the time he gets to the nub of the matter we will be all that interested and all have long since lost interest. If Cummings has some 'bombshell' to land on Boris he needs to do it now and stop this "aren't I the clever boy, letting Boris twist in the wind on his own petard" performance. Perhaps he's just hanging back for bets?
It is perhaps an unfortunate truth but the Pandemic is saving Boris from normal political reality, the public realizes that not only Boris but the whole Government and Civil Service are completely out of their depth with this matter, but the vaccination success is relieving some pressures. The public want to see its Government succeed so Boris continues get support from most of the populace, simply because he is 'Johnny on the spot'.
This is the difficulty for Starmer, he cannot nor I suspect does he want to, shift Boris, at least not just now! Who in their right mind would want to take over just now? Most of the Tory party, never mind Labour, are happy with an 80 seat majority to leave Boris exactly where he is...for now.
If Cummings is really out to bring down Boris, he needs to be careful, both sides of the house want Boris exactly where he is...at least for the time being.
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You haven’t listed a single way he’s improved your life. You’re just listing off rhetoric.
What in your life has been improved by the Tories and by Boris? Be specific.
Do you own a house? Does your family? Do you run a business? Has your local police service improved? Hospitals?
That's why I think the bombshell will wait a bit, there is no-one to take over or wants to take over. The next two years will be difficult, the supposed vaccine success will fade over the next few months and the new Brexit measures come into place in stages and life should return to some kind of pre-pandemic normality plus the 'new for the UK Brexit' measures. Trying to hide behind Covid won't really wash for much longer, maybe another year if he's lucky as long we don't get another wave.
This is probably a linguistic issue but does transparency matches with the fact that Johnson is a pathologic liar?
It means it's obvious he's a pathological liar but he doesn't care and nor do the electorate.
I think in this context ‘transparency’ means he’s a pathologic and obvious liar.
You are probably right, keep pushing back the timing of 'Freedom day' can't last forever; however the bombshell (or shell's) only have a limited range of 'blast', if Boris can be at a distance or get behind sufficient cover and sacrifice those around him, like Matt Hancock, he may still come out the other end smiling.
As I said earlier 'Teflon Tony' has nothing on Boris.
But that's not transparency, the reason he lies that much is because he knows that a signifcant amount of people won't be able to decipher the truth by themselves. Even if they know that he is lying they still don't know why and how they are being used which is anything but transparency.
He's transparent, he knows you know he's lying. Don't worry, wave a flag and everything will be OK.
I know it’s not transparency. Hence I said “in this context” i.e. in the post it was used. That’s the way language gets twisted when someone tries to spin an obvious negative into a positive.
Looks like after all that, the UK and EU are going to agree another extension before restrictions on chilled meat would apply to Northern Ireland. Sausage war averted, for now. Classic.
You are not reading my reply properly... Boris and the Tories saved us from the the loony left, that improved life considerably, we could all breath easily again.
In my twenties (admittedly sometime ago) I was a Union Shop steward and had to battle against 'head banger's' from the left. I often wondered what would happen if they had ever got anywhere near the levers of power in Government; it nearly happened with Michael Foot, but thankfully people saw through his rhetoric, same too with Jeremy... phew what a blessed relief!
You still haven’t listed a single thing. You’re just waffling Facebook nonsense.
What would the looney left have done? Specifically.
FFS, I didn't spot your sarcasm.
By the way I've just started reading La Grande Illusion by Barnier, as I'm just reading a few pages a night before I go to sleep it could take me a while.@Maticmaker answer is that the tories allow him to keep his irrational fears toward the loony left. It's a bit like when some americans are asked about the NHS and they start talking nonsense about people not receiving health care due to socialism.
There is no rationality to look for.
I too was a Union shop steward during the mid 1970's. Nothing clever in that.
And as for 'it nearly happened with Michael Foot' you may want to check the facts. It never nearly happened at all. It was a massive defeat.
And finally, you have been listening to too much Tory propaganda. Just because people don't conform to your idea of politics, does not make them 'head bangers or loony'.
Boris Johnson and his Tories have arguably done more damage to this country by taking us out of the EU on a complete pack of lies.
Add to that their total mismanaged of the pandemic and I would be very interested to see your evidence as to how the loony left could have done even remotely as badly.
I know and I knew that when I started the conversation. It’s more for my amusement than anything. He’s famously lacking in any substance and his political views are lifted directly from a Murdoch tabloid. He doesn’t have even the most basic understanding of anything with any detail or nuance which is the real reason he can relate to Boris - because he’s an empty vacuous vessel who also waffles nonsensical dribble when he’s asked to back up his position with facts or reasoning.
We all know I could ask him the question for the next ten years and he still wouldn’t cotton on to the fact he can’t name a single way the Tories have improved his own personal circumstances other than saving him from the boogie men his billionaire overlords have got him so irrationally terrified of.
COMMUNISM!
It is kind of fascinating though. I always wonder if he's a Hectic-esque caricature of his own imagination and he'll eventually pull back the curtain. It always seems like he's right on the edge of it, giggling to himself at the facetiousness of it all. But somehow it always just stays at exactly that level. Is there a French version of that?
Bang on correct and perfectly put.
It is so amusing reading his posts. Just like reading the DM.
Loony left.
Reds under the bed.
Head bangers.
And he mentions Michael Foot with zero understanding of who he was or what he actually stood for.
Michael Foot was actually one of the most principled politicians. Compare and contrast with Boris.
Zero principals.
Compulsive liar.
Inept decision making.
The list goes on, and on, and on.
The thing that surprises me the most about Brexit is the clear lack of planification. For example I was shocked to read that Amsterdam has been exchanging more daily than London in 2021.
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They didn't actually expect to win.
They've been making it up as they go along ever since.
As I said, seriously, Boris will say anything, he doesn't care if you know he's lying or not, he knows enough Brexiters will make up any nonsense simply to justify their vote.
Flag waving, vaccine success, all part of the game.
The only time Boris was telling the truth was 'f*ck business' , he couldn't give a toss.
That is right. The financial services sector has long been a jewel in the crown of the UK economy.
So to see the government happy to agree the Brexit deal without an agreement on that just about sums them up.
A significant number of these jobs has also gone to Paris I understand.
Brexit is a complete indulgence in the illusion that the UK is better off outside one of the worlds most important trading blocks.
But hey. What do I know.
Of course, the french internet is full of them. And it will always amaze me because like the UK, France has mainly voted for right wing politicians since 1958, most people that have an issue with how France is today should obviously blame the traditional right(RPR/UDF) but they won't, they will complain about literally everything and everyone from the left to foreigners or businesses, they will complain about too much taxes while demanding more public services/spendings but they still vote for the same people that have power or didn't due what they voted for.
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That is interesting isn't it.
Is that a throwback from there being a strongish Communist movement in France during the 1970's?
Or is there another reason such as a right wing press?
It's an interesting case maybe @Jippy has some insight but apparently Amsterdam took parts of the stock exchange, Dublin took banks, Paris took companies and Frankfurt a bit of everything.
The french communist party was actually pretty good for the average man and why France has so many social perks. It was particularly strong before the 5th republic, so pre-1958, from that point it has increasingly lost power my theory and the theory that I was taught is that the comfort created by the PCF policies is partially the reason behind its own demise because people consider that what they have is normal that it wasn't the product of a socialist movement that was 100% behind workers. I could be wrong but I believe that there is a parallel with unions in the UK decades ago?
Very much so.
The 1970's and early 80's was a period of increasing power of the trades unions, often resulting in damaging strikes and confrontations.
It is a matter of fact that many of the trades unions were being influenced by the Soviet Union Communist Party.
But having said that, it is also a matter of fact that many of the old heavy industries in the UK were incredibly badly run. Massive under investment and badly run privatisation.
So yes. I do believe that the Labour Party is still associated with the perception of those 'bad old days'
And yet, the trades unions nowadays has almost no power or influence.
It is all about changing people's perceptions.
Your perception is as good as your capacity to envision superfarms in UK
Then you should know what it was like, the 'loony left' playing politics with the working class vote, but never ever giving them even a close call at a victory, just rhetoric... and more rhetoric... always wondered when the little 'red book' would make an appearance.
Foot got himself elected as leader of the Labour party, without a hope in hell of actually taking power, or helping working people, your'e right it was a massive defeat, dashed the hopes of millions. Corbyn was the same, however he did have one or two flashes of inspiration but the knob-heads around him ruined that!
Its not a matter of ideas of politics, its what works 'the loony left' would never get elected in the UK; the working class was as mislead by people of the far left (many of whom thought they were the reincarnation of Lenin and Co.), just as much as they have been bamboozled by the Tories.
You are the one waffling!
The last UK Government (of any description) to do anything worthwhile/long-lasting for the working class, was the end of the WW2 Government and the post war Labour Government. Specifically the Education Act, and the launch of the NHS. These two initiatives ensured the right to education for millions and ensured health support free at the point of use for the populace at large.
Read the history books my friend.
What would the 'loony left' have done, thankfully we never found out, but specifically would probably have ensured the country would go bankrupt, as money fizzed out of the country overnight.
I am certainly doing that, I wouldn't miss the daily diet of Caf 'lefty luvvers' moaning and groaning, keep it up lads makes my day!
You have got to be on a wind up. You’re terrified of the “Looney left” and in the same post cite two of the most left wing policies in British history as the last time a UK government did anything that benefitted the working class?
That’s honestly just too fecking perfect to not be a parody.
Is it possible the stereotypes you have of the people you’re talking to are wildly misguided?
There is a difference between left leaning and 'loony left'.
A 'loony left' Government would never get elected. I am certainly not terrified by to-days 'loony left' they couldn't find their way out of a paper bag... that is if they could agree what should constitute a 'paper bag' in the first place!
Notice you've given up on wanting to know the specifics
Another benefit of Brexit
EE to reintroduce Europe roaming charges in January https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
EE to reintroduce Europe roaming charges in January https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
You've got me there.... can't answer because I am uncertain about which possible 'stereotypes'; who I am supposed to be talking with? And am I misguided, or are they?
Just got an email from O2 saying roaming charges now apply if I use more than 25gb of data when roaming in the Eurozone.
Just to think that people in this thread were saying that wouldn't happen only a few months ago, but yet again it's another Brexit prediction which has come true. The others will follow now there is a first mover.