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Feck it at this point.
Not much that can be done, bring on Mad Max Britain and the fighting pits.
At least we won't have to hear about it every five seconds in the news, hopefully. Sick to the back teeth of hearing the word Brexit.
Not much that can be done, bring on Mad Max Britain and the fighting pits.
At least we won't have to hear about it every five seconds in the news, hopefully. Sick to the back teeth of hearing the word Brexit.
what's the Tories end goal here? what does it want to turn the UK into post Brexit? all i see is Brexit losing the UK money (house prices tumbling, big business leaving), so i don't get how that fits the bill for a Conservative party generally.
It’s pretty telling that they’re not even bothering to hide their names anymore.
Difficult to motivate myself to post here since the election. Everything that's happening now was entirely predictable given the result.
None of these are for sure though are they? I mean house prices have been dipping recently, due to people not buying because of the uncertainty. But with demand outstripping supply and the housing shortage only increasing, the prices will surely follow sooner rather than later unless an issue of mortgage availability arises. And Tories controlling immigration doesn't mean they'll reduce it, given how thirsty business is for workers at the moment with the unemployment figures in their lowest since 1975. They've dropped the targets of lowering immigration from their manifesto under BoJo. Their issue now is "controlling it" with points based visa system etc.
As for businesses, it all depends on a number of variables not yet fixed. Like what deal will be struck with the EU. Or what kind of regulatory framework the UK will be under in the next few years. What will happen to corporation tax. Etc. Etc. If BoJo signs a deal with the EU, delivers the deregulation certain sectors crave for, simplifies the visa system to ease workforce constraints placed by Brexit and cuts corproration tax.. then business could well flourish.
None of these are for sure though are they? I mean house prices have been dipping recently, due to people not buying because of the uncertainty. But with demand outstripping supply and the housing shortage only increasing, the prices will surely follow sooner rather than later unless an issue of mortgage availability arises. And Tories controlling immigration doesn't mean they'll reduce it, given how thirsty business is for workers at the moment with the unemployment figures in their lowest since 1975. They've dropped the targets of lowering immigration from their manifesto under BoJo. Their issue now is "controlling it" with points based visa system etc.
As for businesses, it all depends on a number of variables not yet fixed. Like what deal will be struck with the EU. Or what kind of regulatory framework the UK will be under in the next few years. What will happen to corporation tax. Etc. Etc. If BoJo signs a deal with the EU, delivers the deregulation certain sectors crave for, simplifies the visa system to ease workforce constraints placed by Brexit and cuts corproration tax.. then business could well flourish.
What a fecking shambles. May as well make a few trips to the UK in 2020 before it turns into a nuclear wasteland.
I think the middle to higher-end of the housing market will stall, not cheap property as first-time buyer properties will always sell. Job security will be a concern for a lot of people, and unless you have to sell because of one of the three Ds (death, divorce or debt), families will surely be more likely to wait and see.
So realistically how long do I have to buy my house in Italy as an EU citizen and enjoy free movement?
I guess if you live in London the best case is that little changes in reality, maybe prices go up 10%, looking at it selfishly.
Potentially a bit of a shitter that I plan to become self-employed in Jan/Feb. Timing stinks.
The idea of Brexit started when Merkel forced the rest of the Union to accepted refugees she let in her country? I forgot if started before or after.
Not long at all I'd say. Aren't we likely to leave at the end of Jan 2020?
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My guess is that we'll end up with a loose trade agreement by the end of the transition period and will walk away on Boris's deadline. In 2021 The Tories will start to go about turning the country into a low tax and low regulation economy. The UK will do well economically but the gap between the haves and have nots will continue to grow as public services decline. The only curious issue is what happens with the NHS because Boris seems to believe that its health is the key to him winning the next election. I think the Tories will manoeuvre to deepen the cultures wars that have won Brexit and this election, this will be their key to getting enough of the population to vote against their interests again to keep them in power.
It's driven geographically a lot too. There was a correction in London and the South East after the referendum which affects the overall picture but in the North West house prices have continued to go up. My property has increased by about least 25% since I bought only a couple of years ago. I've been amazed at the prices some of the houses have been going for on my street. Prices in the Manchester and Yorkshire are forecast to rise by another 25% in the next 5 years as well. Manchester is the fastest growing City in Europe by crane count currently so I think that's driving it a lot. The Sheikh's investment in the City centre has played a part also. For Manchester city I think it will continue to grow and change pretty much at the rate it has been doing in recent years. Although it does feel like a bubble with a lot of foreign investor properties, I think it will be well placed to prosper under the low tax & regulation economy that Boris will inevitably create.
https://www.buyassociation.co.uk/20...forecast-to-see-strongest-house-price-growth/
Reading this forum - which is very anti-Brexit and anti-conservative - makes me realise how disconnected it is from the wider population. Such a massive disparity as, in reality, the majority of the country are the opposite.
Why would you expect a football sub forum to be representative of the UK population?
Ignoring all the demographics and everything else that goes into the make up of the forum. It is worth noting that this forum requires some form of qualification to post here regularly which the wider population does not.
One of the great things about this place is 99% of the posts are in coherent sentences and you can see some great debates between people. I know I take it for granted that when I look at youtube or reddit comments and am a bit thrown by the standard of what's acceptable there. So yes this forum is disconnected from the wider population and probably better for it.
The vast majority of the country voted for the Conservatives - and, thus, Brexit - in this latest election. Does that mean that all those people aren't intelligent?
Not all of the forum is anti-Conservative and anti-Brexit. Are you accusing them of not being intelligent?
Also since when did 43% count as the vast majority?!
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In fairness, you dont need to look far in this thread (or others) to see that anyone who is pro-conservative is typically pounced on and e-ganglynched.
My point was in response to you making out that brexiteers weren't intelligent.
Well one of the main contributing factors in the vote is:
Age
And education.
Those who are more politically informed are more likely to vote Labour and oppose Brexit.
Doesn't help when they keep messing up what "vast majority" means.
The most revealing thing about this...
The presenter says "you're not supposed to say that", rather than "that's not true".
I am so fed up of having to pretend that the reason the Tories won and Brexit is happening isn’t because as a nation we are full of illiterate idiots.
I mean, we all know it. Look at the racism that is becoming increasingly prevalent. Look at the level of discourse and nonsense peddled by The Sun. Look at Tories literally saying “we are fed up of experts.”
I grew up in a shithole area. An area that has been properly fecked by cuts to education and access to local services. The people here ARE THICK. It is not their fault, it is not something I’m happy with. But they are quite clearly thick. And as such they all post fake news, all believe in absolutely mental conspiracy theories and all voted Boris Johnson.
I mean, we all know it. Look at the racism that is becoming increasingly prevalent. Look at the level of discourse and nonsense peddled by The Sun. Look at Tories literally saying “we are fed up of experts.”
I grew up in a shithole area. An area that has been properly fecked by cuts to education and access to local services. The people here ARE THICK. It is not their fault, it is not something I’m happy with. But they are quite clearly thick. And as such they all post fake news, all believe in absolutely mental conspiracy theories and all voted Boris Johnson.
Is it wrong to feel schadenfreude when the people that will be hit hardest will be the poor from middle England...that actually wanted to gerronwivthis?
My bad. I must have mis-interpreted the results of both the referrendum and the election...
What we're trying to say, in all respect, is we've become like America. Just need the MUKGA caps to complete this marvelous democracy that we live in. I'll wear one, might as well.
It’s an uncomfortable thing to say, and I don’t feel equipped to agree or disagree with this.
However, cute to education obviously lead to this, the less educated we are as a nation the less intelligent we will be, I just hope that education gets the funding the country needs. It’s all very 1984, keep the nation thick so they don’t question you.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/uk-...1-snp-48-other-23-tory-majority-of-80.450424/
51.4% favoured Labour.
Given the age demographics of Redcafe that's to be expected, since the majority are probably 25-34.
Also, Manchester is very left leaning city. 70% voted Labour in the city centre. The local council has 92 Labour seats, 3 Lib Dem seats and 0 Conservative seats. The likes of Karl Marx and Engels have both lived here. Emeline Pankhurst came from Manchester. And on top of that, the political split between City and United is *generally* right vs. left. City got bought by a bunch of arch-Capitalists and the fans rejoiced. United fans reacted with protests and FCUM.
Finally, Manchester United is the archetypal global club. Of course the fans are going to be cosmopolitan in their views, and Europhile in their politics.
To sum up, this is a young forum for an internationalist, left wing club based out of a left wing city.
It has been brought up a few times. We're not the only forum like that though. Even with the election, forums like the Everton and Liverpool ones were anti-Conservative also, and if you look at the colour coded maps for both the referendum and the election, you'll notice that the Manchester/Liverpool related constituencies on the whole match up with anti-Brexit and anti-Conservative. Yes, a lot on here aren't from Manchester, but the demographic lines up like Dante has said above.
It's also a bit weird being racist on a forum full of members from all over the world.
You can interpret the results any way you like. What you can't do is make the factually incorrect statement that "the majority of the country voted for the Conservatives - and thus Brexit, in this latest election" without expecting it to be challenged.
It's wrong on two levels.
Firstly, the majority of the voting electorate (I will assume this is what you meant by "the country") didn't vote for anyone. That's 16m of the electorate who didn't vote in this election. The Tories got £13m votes. Just under 30% of the popular vote based on the number of registered voters. No where near a majority of anything.
Secondly, you extrapolate this to conclude that the majority of the country voted for Brexit in this election. I can use the same argument as above to refute this but I don't need to because even if we only use the total numbers from people that voted, the combined total of votes for the Tories, UKIP and the Brexit Party is still less than the total of all the other parties when tallied together. Again, this shows no clear majority for Brexit no matter how much you might think it does.
Even if everyone who voted Tory voted for Brexit couldn't it then be argued that more people voted for anti Brexit/second referendum parties combined?
Yeah that's kinda what I was saying (but probably not being very clear about it).
Tbf I probably failed to pick up on it because the majority of my brain cells voted for Vodka on Friday and thus Br(ain)exit is still ongoing.
We have to accept it as a nation.
Just look at the news and what is happening. You have to be wilfully ignorant or extremely away from the 'average' day in Britain to be unable to see how racism, xenophobia and hatred is on the rise.
Is it wrong to feel schadenfreude when the people that will be hit hardest will be the poor from middle England...that actually wanted to gerronwivthis?
Absolutely not, schadenfreude will never feel so good, in part because it's all we'll have.
I think it has always been there, under the surface, it's just that people have been less confident to express it recently. They certainly had no trouble expressing their views up to the 80s.
Odd thing is the racism being directed at football players with darker skin, when you would have thought the ire would be directed at Europeans. Or something like that.