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Depressing. What makes it more depressing is why we are leaving.
Immigration.

I keep going into a kind of self defence mode and thinking that in reality my situation is probably not going to be terrible. In a few months time I'll finish Uni and should have a good job.

Then I remember that I'm a white male with a Uni education and that there is so many people who are not in my position and it makes me sick to the stomach that the comforting thoughts I'm having are borne out of white privilege and over half the country do not have the same security blanket. There's plenty of Turkeys who have voted for Christmas and to be honest they can go feck themselves and I hope it's every bit as painful for them as I expect it to be. The ones who didn't vote for this are the ones I'm hurting for and I'm not even talking just about Brexit. I'm talking about the communities who have been treated like dirt by the Tories like at Grenfell, Windrush, people on universal credit, people with disabilities who have been declared fit to work and anyone who is going to require medical treatment or who have family members who will over the next 20+ years.
 
I keep going into a kind of self defence mode and thinking that in reality my situation is probably not going to be terrible. In a few months time I'll finish Uni and should have a good job.

Then I remember that I'm a white male with a Uni education and that there is so many people who are not in my position and it makes me sick to the stomach that the comforting thoughts I'm having are borne out of white privilege and over half the country do not have the same security blanket. There's plenty of Turkeys who have voted for Christmas and to be honest they can go feck themselves and I hope it's every bit as painful for them as I expect it to be. The ones who didn't vote for this are the ones I'm hurting for and I'm not even talking just about Brexit. I'm talking about the communities who have been treated like dirt by the Tories like at Grenfell, Windrush, people on universal credit, people with disabilities who have been declared fit to work and anyone who is going to require medical treatment or who have family members who will over the next 20+ years.

Good post. Pretty much my thoughts to.

Like I have said to gloating Tories today here at work this morning ''you have made your bed now, lets hope Brexit works out, because if not it is on YOU". Most haven't had a comeback to that.
 
I keep going into a kind of self defence mode and thinking that in reality my situation is probably not going to be terrible. In a few months time I'll finish Uni and should have a good job.

Then I remember that I'm a white male with a Uni education and that there is so many people who are not in my position and it makes me sick to the stomach that the comforting thoughts I'm having are borne out of white privilege and over half the country do not have the same security blanket. There's plenty of Turkeys who have voted for Christmas and to be honest they can go feck themselves and I hope it's every bit as painful for them as I expect it to be. The ones who didn't vote for this are the ones I'm hurting for and I'm not even talking just about Brexit. I'm talking about the communities who have been treated like dirt by the Tories like at Grenfell, Windrush, people on universal credit, people with disabilities who have been declared fit to work and anyone who is going to require medical treatment or who have family members who will over the next 20+ years.
The Tories have won the constituency where Grenfell happened......
 
The Tories have won the constituency where Grenfell happened......

I know it's the ultimate kick in the stomach for the night but it's not a surprise when you consider where Grenfell is located.
 
There's actually a fairly good chance Johnson will try to NOT get Brexit done.


As in, he won't allow his treaty to be ratified. Why? Then he won't be the one putting a border down the Irish Sea.

Instead, I expect him to try to do either of these two things:

Scenario 1
If he actually wants to get out of the EU, he'll try to get the EU to kick the UK out, so not only would he get his coveted No Deal Brexit, he would blame any issues that No Deal will definitely cause on the EU. Any lack of trade agreement progress would then also be blamed on the EU. He won't want a quick EU trade agreement anyway, because it would get in the way with his US trade agreement. He'll first want to ensure there's an agreement with the USA before even considering new trade relations with the EU. Which won't be forthcoming any time soon. This scenario is likely to backfire eventually as people get tired of more and more Brexit related bullshit. However, for many it will just be more evidence of Brussel's perceived hostility towards the UK and setting the UK up to fail.

Scenario 2
From his record, all he ever cared for was power over the UK and for that he had to consolidate the right end of the spectrum and destroy the Brexit Party/UKIP and any Tories with sense getting in the way. Promising he was the Brexit-Messiah was his means to get there. Yet, he may not actually want to be seen as responsible for the destruction of the UK's economy or the selling out of British public, industry and services to the US. In that case he might just try to keep the status quo going, until he'll find a good enough excuse to revoke Article 50. I would suspect his argument would be that the UK was being screwed over with unfair trade deal offers and strongarmed into remaining in the EU by the EU. So basically he was thwarted by bullies from getting a good deal and thereby forced to stay in the EU as a vassal state, but no worries, because with the Tories in charge they'd fight the good fight against The Brie-Kraut Continent. He'll wager the electorate will have forgotten his promise five years later, while he and the tabloids will keep blaming the EU for anything negative happening to the country in the meantime (in particular the NHS), the "theft" of industry that leaves for the mainland (thus for increased unemployment), higher taxes (stating it all goes to Spain and such), and portray it as a way of the EU trying to get back at the UK's citizens for attempting to leave.



By the way, perfect way for Russia to position themselves as the "Real Friend of the UK" too. Either way, I expect Russia will try to use the UK to circumvent its own embargoes soon enough. Plenty of Tories receiving Russian money apparently. Will we ever see that damning report Johnson's government refused to release?
 
I keep going into a kind of self defence mode and thinking that in reality my situation is probably not going to be terrible. In a few months time I'll finish Uni and should have a good job.

Then I remember that I'm a white male with a Uni education and that there is so many people who are not in my position and it makes me sick to the stomach that the comforting thoughts I'm having are borne out of white privilege and over half the country do not have the same security blanket. There's plenty of Turkeys who have voted for Christmas and to be honest they can go feck themselves and I hope it's every bit as painful for them as I expect it to be. The ones who didn't vote for this are the ones I'm hurting for and I'm not even talking just about Brexit. I'm talking about the communities who have been treated like dirt by the Tories like at Grenfell, Windrush, people on universal credit, people with disabilities who have been declared fit to work and anyone who is going to require medical treatment or who have family members who will over the next 20+ years.
I work in an investment bank and fortunate enough to make nearly 3 figures a year. I won't be hurt much by Tory policies but I will never...ever vote for them. Let me say why.
I came to this country from Nigeria in 2010 on a student visa. My parents had mortgaged their home to send me to university. My tuition fees were about ten times the average yearly income back home. However, I am now a citizen. When I chose to study in the UK, we still had that automatic two year post study work visa. Was the main reason I and some of my friends chose to come here. As soon as we came, Theresa May abolished it.
Over the past decade, I have witnessed how the Tory party have bastardized the immigration debate. It's painful to see. Any foreign student trying to get a permanent job in the UK that qualifies will attest to this. It is easier to get blood from a stone. The Tories have made it such an horrible task that the vast majority of students don't even bother to look for jobs after they graduate. I was within four days of going back home when I got a job after applying to over 100 places. Some companies had called me for interviews, ask for my documents, see I am not a citizen and tell me not to bother. Most of my friends The damage Theresa May has done will never be forgiven. I remember having to register with the representative of the home office like four times a week during uni. You would see long queues of foreign students waiting to register their names like some sort of refugee camp. We had to get permission to travel for anything over 3 days.
I have never seen a society so obsessed over an issue that has very little real impact. The areas most concerned with immigrants are areas that have very little of it. Before I arrived I used to see the UK as a bastion of a liberal progressive society. It is not.
The working class people that voted for this lot can enjoy their vote.
 
Good post. Pretty much my thoughts to.

Like I have said to gloating Tories today here at work this morning ''you have made your bed now, lets hope Brexit works out, because if not it is on YOU". Most haven't had a comeback to that.
The depressing beauty is that they will never be held accountable, when Brexit fails it will be the fault of the EU not the torys. the buck will always be passed on.
 
The depressing beauty is that they will never be held accountable, when Brexit fails it will be the fault of the EU not the torys. the buck will always be passed on.

I fear something similar to this. When the reality of more cuts and cost saving measures hit home (and feck me the state of homelessness, the NHS and mental health care in the UK is already shocking) then the Tories have the option of saying; 'we all voted for Brexit, we knew there was going to be a few bumps on the road but we must stick together and get Brexit done' etc etc it and it just further absolves them of blame and people will fall for it. Again and again.
 
By far and away the biggest problem facing the new Tory government is going to be Scotland. It is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out. Badly I am thinking. The impending break up of the UK.
 
Good post. Pretty much my thoughts to.

Like I have said to gloating Tories today here at work this morning ''you have made your bed now, lets hope Brexit works out, because if not it is on YOU". Most haven't had a comeback to that.

Ha! Incredibly naive. one of the defining characteristics of the baby boomer generation is that they are never responsible for anything. It's always somebody else's fault. A government that was shown by it's own mouthpiece to have run a campaign built on ads that were 88% lies is clearly not one that has to be worried about being held to account. Clearly they have a base that has no problem with being lied to.
 
By far and away the biggest problem facing the new Tory government is going to be Scotland. It is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out. Badly I am thinking. The impending break up of the UK.
I think it will be Ireland personally. Whether Scotland goes or stays it's unlikely they'll start killing each other up there. I hope not anyway. I hope they don't in Ireland of course, but it's more of a possibility.
 
I think it will be Ireland personally. Whether Scotland goes or stays it's unlikely they'll start killing each other up there. I hope not anyway. I hope they don't in Ireland of course, but it's more of a possibility.
Nah, the Tories will get their border down the Irish Sea now, avoiding a border on the island of Ireland. My guess is the people of NI will grow more isolated from the rest of the UK as a result and we will see reunification some time in the next 10-20 years. Seems inevitable at this point.
 
Nah, the Tories will get their border down the Irish Sea now, avoiding a border on the island of Ireland. My guess is the people of NI will grow more isolated from the rest of the UK as a result and we will see reunification some time in the next 10-20 years. Seems inevitable at this point.
That scenario is still a precarious one, the prospect of reunification will still be a huge hornets nest for the unionists, irrespective of the economic situation. I just don't see them happily conceding to it.
 
That scenario is still a precarious one, the prospect of reunification will still be a huge hornets nest for the unionists, irrespective of the economic situation. I just don't see them happily conceding to it.
We must all hope Spanner's rosy scenario is correct and you are wrong, but it's a frightening situation for sure.
 
I keep going into a kind of self defence mode and thinking that in reality my situation is probably not going to be terrible. In a few months time I'll finish Uni and should have a good job.

Then I remember that I'm a white male with a Uni education and that there is so many people who are not in my position and it makes me sick to the stomach that the comforting thoughts I'm having are borne out of white privilege and over half the country do not have the same security blanket. There's plenty of Turkeys who have voted for Christmas and to be honest they can go feck themselves and I hope it's every bit as painful for them as I expect it to be. The ones who didn't vote for this are the ones I'm hurting for and I'm not even talking just about Brexit. I'm talking about the communities who have been treated like dirt by the Tories like at Grenfell, Windrush, people on universal credit, people with disabilities who have been declared fit to work and anyone who is going to require medical treatment or who have family members who will over the next 20+ years.

Yeah I'm sort of the same as you, I've never voted for a political party out of self-interest, but out of who I felt could deliver a society that benefitted the most the people who needed it. Whilst I don't wish pain or suffering on anyone over the way they voted, I will find it difficult to have sympathy if Brexit has the impact that it is expected to do on the communities whom seemingly haven't realised the negative effect leaving the EU is going to have.
 
That scenario is still a precarious one, the prospect of reunification will still be a huge hornets nest for the unionists, irrespective of the economic situation. I just don't see them happily conceding to it.
We must all hope Spanner's rosy scenario is correct and you are wrong, but it's a frightening situation for sure.
I never said it was a rosy scenario, it will be a long, arduous one fraught with possibly as many issues as Brexit itself, but I do think it will happen, eventually. We likely won't see a fully reunified Ireland for a very long time, my prediction of 10-20 years would be for the beginning of a transition period which in itself would probably last another 10-20 years!
 
Does that mean that the UK voted for the few not the many?
 
Such a depressing result. I am happy I gave up and moved to Europe.
 
I think it will be Ireland personally. Whether Scotland goes or stays it's unlikely they'll start killing each other up there. I hope not anyway. I hope they don't in Ireland of course, but it's more of a possibility.

Yes. Point taken. Especially when NI has a minority of Unionists.
Scotland though because Mr Bumble has said that he will not permit another referendum, which is going to cause massive discontent.
Either way, the eventual break up of the union seems ann inevitability. Who wants to be the PM who led to that. Fantastic legacy..
 
Well at least we get to see what really happens now. If it's shit then the tories are out, if it's good then hey-ho.

They aren't going anywhere.

If it's shit, they already have the excuses and the core voters to lap it all up. Unless, of course, Labour magically get their shit together in the next couple of years. But I wouldn't bet on that.
 
They aren't going anywhere.

If it's shit, they already have the excuses and the core voters to lap it all up. Unless, of course, Labour magically get their shit together in the next couple of years. But I wouldn't bet on that.
What will be the excuses this time round? Blaming the EU for not succumbing to our every demands? Immigration? Diane Abbott?
 
Loving these labour goons crying. Absolutely smashed to pieces.

Hopefully your family won't be one of those that struggles from what will happen because of your vote. Hopefully they don't end up in hospital without insurance. Hopefully you never need help in life.
 
Could well happen before. The deal is ready to go, no point waiting.

Apparently so, but that deal was made just to appease the parliament situation at the time. I fully expect Boris' first port of call will be to throw it in the toilet.
 
They aren't going anywhere.

If it's shit, they already have the excuses and the core voters to lap it all up. Unless, of course, Labour magically get their shit together in the next couple of years. But I wouldn't bet on that.
Yeah they're not interesting in good. They're interested in not letting others have anything good.
 
I thought you were here last night? Apologies.

But yeah, don't feed the troll mate, he was just repeating himself looking for reactions.
I was for a bit early on. Don't remember seeing him about or engaging, although it's been a bit of a blur.
 
I was for a bit early on. Don't remember seeing him about or engaging, although it's been a bit of a blur.

Tell me about it brother.

Weird thing was, I had to get the bus earlier to my kid's school (I rarely do that) and I don't know what I expected but there was nothing. Nothing changed. I guess it was because I was up all night with the weirdos in here, but it just seemed to surreal that life carried on and everyone just didn't give a shit.

I guess this place really is a weird bubble :lol: