How is a very specific example of a personal friend experiencing abuse on the tube a sweeping statement?
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How is a very specific example of a personal friend experiencing abuse on the tube a sweeping statement?
I'm sorry but that's untrue, much like the other presumptions you make about others who have a difference of opinion then you.
The issue a number of hardcore CE posters have still it seems is they can't follow forum advice of criticising the post not the poster.
@Sweet Square and others epitomise that in how they go about trying to make a point and it's rather tedious and reinforces the reasons a number of general Caf posters stay out of the select gentleman's club which is the CE forum. Either conform with the masses or be painted to be a problem and hounded out.
The sweeping statement was how difficult it was to live in the UK as a foreigner at the moment. When she was asked to explain she provided this very narrow story.
I don't necessarily disagree with her point but she didn't put it across very well at all and then followed it up with "well I'm foreign you're not" as if only her opinion counts.
it is impossible to criticise your posts without criticising you as a poster because 9 times out of 10, your posts offer nothing of substance. You offer a glib sentence like "the EU and Ireland need to compromise as well" but despite being asked how on numerous occasions to elaborate on that opinion, you refuse to do so.
Nobody is asking you to conform with the masses. Only to back up your opinions with fair and rational arguement.
Which goes back to my original point - what concerns across the continent? the UK you mean, you're talking about illegal workers employed by British companies not complying with employment regulations which is again not a FoM issue.
And if the UK restrict EU people's movement why shouldn't other EU countries stop UK citizens. You say Ok they can but they don't want to because they don't have the same vision and have not been subjected to the same lies through the British media.
Freedom of movement doesn't just mean immigrants into the UK it also means UK citizens being able to move to the EU. If this had been the case in my time, my life would have been completely different. I was lucky.
What did she say about Thatcher ? I can't find it.
Oh come on. The conversation had barely started and you went straight into well what about the Danes. You basically did the republican reaction to whenever racism is brought.
Cheers.
I've elaborated on it already. I don't feel I need to keep repeating myself each time you ask.
So she was wrong to make a sweeping statement and then when pushed on it, she was also wrong to explain using a specific example?
I'm beginning to understand how you find this debating thing so difficult to get your head around.
Can you point me to where? I must have missed it.
I don't think you get it do you?
Oh come on. The conversation had barely started and you went straight into well what about the Danes.
Cheers.
Are you even sure what you're talking about anymore
.What do you do by the way? You still haven't answered. You seem to think my job has a baring on my opinions and allows you to make judgement on me as a person so would be nice to see the other side of the spectrum.
I imagine you are suggesting she should have presented some manner of data to support her claim of what anyone with eyes, ears and a brain knows to be true. She used a real world example to back up an obvious point. Not every conversation needs to be backed up by scientific data - particularly when debating with people who have based an entire movement on obfuscation of facts and data.
I like your style but you are not helping. You are like an english version of @Massive Spanner.
It's like pulling teeth in here it really is! I'm sure there's some really smart and bright posters (infact I know this lot are) but Christ they can by hard work.
Very boring sound design stuff. Its not quite the ''superhero'' work of a police officer but I'll be impressed if you get any reading out of that.Are you even sure what you're talking about anymore
What do you do by the way? You still haven't answered. You seem to think my job has a baring on my opinions and allows you to make judgement on me as a person so would be nice to see the other side of the spectrum.
I'm finding it difficult to wrap my head around the irony of this.
The feck did I do?I like your style but you are not helping. You are like an english version of @Massive Spanner.
I'll direct your face into the wall mate if you're not careful that's fairJust referring to your directness when discussing.
We never did find out what the EU/Ireland are supposed to compromise on.
We did not. But we shouldn't allow that to cloud the focus of how nasty Irish people are being to English people.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that the Irish posters on here are blaming England for something that's England's fault!
There are pretty sizeable minorities who oppose FoM in richer EU countries, and this sentiment appears to be growing.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/...hreat-how-europeans-view-freedom-of-movement/
I don't really see the issue with different nations deciding on different approaches to immigration. If Finland wants to welcome in a load of Brits, great, no one is going to force Finland to stop allowing Brits to work in the country.
I should also point out my girlfriend, who I live with in London, is Austrian (hence the weirdly specific knowledge about Austrian immigration law earlier in the thread). We plan to perhaps move to Austria one day... so its not like it doesn't potentially affect me either!
I'm not saying EU countries should restrict immigration from other EU states... I am saying they should have some right to restrict immigration, if they wish.
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More than happy.We are all hard work. I have been pestering @MikeUpNorth and he is happy to do the same.
What about the nasty English people blaming the English people for the problems.
Yep. Don't feed the troll.
From your article one can see the Uk is way out in front, the Guardian article pointed out it being a major issue in France at the presidential election, must have missed that but then again Le Pen hates all foreigners especially non-EU ones.
Of course there will be some opposition to it in every country but any anti-immigrant sentiment is not in the main against European citizens.
But different EU countries do treat EU citizens differently. The UK are very lax even though they have border controls whereas Belgium are very strict and France are more strict than the UK. If someone is not a burden on the state I see no reason to object to anyone whatever their nationality and if they are the UK have the power to do something about it.
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Interesting stuff. The Conservatives clearly have something up their sleeve but I've no idea what. If Boris has to go to the EU and request an extension surely he has to resign after everything he's said about not doing. That said, I thought he'd resign after the Supreme Court ruling so you never know.
I think the point made on question time last night that there is a much longer game being played out here is worth remembering. A general election is most certainly going to happen.
I think we'll get a deal but if there isn't and is an extension, then it's the Trump defence of "blame them"
Is this the one where he sends a letter requesting an extension and immediately sends a second one saying ignore the first letter?
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I think he just requests his extension and complies with the law, and uses all of that as ammunition for a GE - “look at what this traitor parliament have made me do!” sort of thing.
His goal would be to convince the more moderate Leave voters (who have probably been put off by his insistence on no-deal) by a) showing his willingness to compromise and try to get a deal and b) paint parliament as wanting to remain and frustrate Brexit.
His goal would be to convince the more moderate Leave voters (who have probably been put off by his insistence on no-deal) by a) showing his willingness to compromise and try to get a deal and b) paint parliament as wanting to remain and frustrate Brexit.
I can only imagine they've got an alternative plan. Given they had officials from Hungary secretly in parliament the other day it'll be a backdoor deal for a veto. Can only be found to have acted unlawfully if they're caught.
Now does it make it harder for the rebels to justify a VONC and national unity government?
Now does it make it harder for the rebels to justify a VONC and national unity government?
its Going to be very difficult to persuade the brexit party not to put up candidates if he has extended... perhaps a full on WTO and we wont pay a penny and we will prioritize a trade deal with america manifesto might be enough to get them to agree a non aggression pact with conservatives stepping down in a number of pro brexit labour seats... essentially we could end up with a government reliant on farrage and a bunch of brexit mps who could make the ERG and DUP look like moderates.
I think he simply sends it via Yodel in which case it won't arrive until the new year anyway.
Much appreciated! A couple of further questions if you have the time/inclination.
Secondly traveling between Ireland and Northern Ireland isn't an issue irrespective of Brexit, since someone from Senegal who had the right to work in Italy could freely travel throughout 26 EU countries without any checks. He wouldn't be able to work in the other 25 countries, but that would be the same with ROI and NI post Brexit. So an English man could travel to NI, then to ROI, then to Italy and it wouldn't be an issue in the same manner (again though he couldn't work outside of the UK) The UK and Ireland have a Common Travel Area. There is no issue with people travelling within the islands whatever happens. ROI is not in Schengen, so a person needs to show documentation to travel from ROI to Italy.
- In this situation could there not be a Common Travel Area for movement of people only between NI and ROI. With ROI not being in Shengen it makes it even less unpalatable for UK citizens to be able to wander around NI and ROI freely; with ROI citizens being able to wander NI and UK likewise. This wouldn't include workers rights of course.
- Why would they require regulatory alignment if US states without regulatory alignment can have open borders? Again if cannabis can be legal in one state and illegal in another state; why couldn't the same apply with chlorinated chicken? If produce were legal in NI and illegal in ROI, why couldn't it be policed exactly as cannabis is policed between California and Arizona?
- Isn't this a spurious argument? Wouldn't it be the same as someone back in 1998 saying that the GFA was impossible because of the potential for illegal goods to be smuggled across the border? I can't imagine a deal with the magnitude of the GFA being held up because of the potential for cocaine smugglers to exploit the open border. Surely both ROI and NI both respect the fact that their law enforcement agencies would not allow illegal goods to pass from one country to the other... Whether they be illegal on both sides or illegal on one side only? In these circumstances surely just as would be the case with Luxembourg legalising cannabis and Belgium having to police cannabis crossing the border, ROI would police chlorinated chicken? I genuinely can't see why smuggling across an open border between ROI/NI would be any different than sending a boat 350 odd metres from Warrenpoint to Omeath