Feck Jo Swinson
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The UK must leave the EU to break free of regulation....to then implement more regulation!!!
By our very own unelected bureaucrat, who is being challenged by our elected MP's and in court, for suspending our parlimentary democracy. In a Conservative party who only gained power in the last election due to offering £1BN investment to the DUP.
Britain.
Top three are not a good standard tbf.
Is this a joke?
As bad as those 3 are, Stalin still has them beat and Churchill was a great war leader but a horrible racist.
yeah
She got that one right though. Her comment ist Spot on.
That's what the Brexiters believe.
If the UK exports to the EU it's EU regulations.
If the UK exports to Australia it's Australian regulations, to the USA it's US regulations, etc.
Oh well, never mind.
Some people just don’t know what they were voting for. And then somehow they get on Sky News. I don’t know how we make a change to our media but it needs to happen quickly
I doubt many on remain side genuinely know what is at stake. It's a cultural thing. You see the people fighting for Brexit and automatically think...nah, not these cuts.
By today's standard, most people were probably racist back then.
To a degree, but Churchill was racist for that day's standards as well. We're not talking the middle ages here, after all.
Plus the whole starving 3 million people to death.
Jo Maugham QC, Brexit opponent:
Twitter said:
Classy stuff
They told it like it was.
Roosevelt gets the racist label too for what he did to Japanese-Americans.
The Queen above politics? Not when Cameron and Johnson come calling
She broke convention over independence for Scotland. She could do it again over Brexit.
She broke convention over independence for Scotland. She could do it again over Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ics-not-when-cameron-and-johnson-come-calling
Corbyn says UK could be better off outside EU if right deal available
Here is the full exchange with Andrew Marr where Jeremy Corbyn said the UK could be better off outside the EU than inside in some circumstances.
AM: One of your first jobs [as PM] is go to Brussels and negotiate a new Brexit deal … In that context, is it your view that Britain is better off inside the European Union or better off, long-term, outside the European Union? Which?
JC: [It] depends on the agreement you have with the European Union outside.
AM: So we could be better off outside, therefore?
JC: Listen, what I’ve tried to do all along is recognise the result of the referendum and respect it. That’s what we said in our 2017 manifesto, which is why we voted before that to invoke article 50 … We have consistently put forward what I believe to be a credible option, which is what we call the five pillars which is the customs union, the trade relationship, protection of consumer, environmental and workers’ rights, and of course, the Good Friday agreement and the peace process …
I recognise the majority of Labour party supporters and members support remain and supported remain, but a significant minority voted the other way.
Unicorns it is then. If the UK has exactly the same benefits outside the EU as inside the EU.
Here is the full exchange with Andrew Marr where Jeremy Corbyn said the UK could be better off outside the EU than inside in some circumstances.
AM: One of your first jobs [as PM] is go to Brussels and negotiate a new Brexit deal … In that context, is it your view that Britain is better off inside the European Union or better off, long-term, outside the European Union? Which?
JC: [It] depends on the agreement you have with the European Union outside.
AM: So we could be better off outside, therefore?
JC: Listen, what I’ve tried to do all along is recognise the result of the referendum and respect it. That’s what we said in our 2017 manifesto, which is why we voted before that to invoke article 50 … We have consistently put forward what I believe to be a credible option, which is what we call the five pillars which is the customs union, the trade relationship, protection of consumer, environmental and workers’ rights, and of course, the Good Friday agreement and the peace process …
I recognise the majority of Labour party supporters and members support remain and supported remain, but a significant minority voted the other way.
Unicorns it is then. If the UK has exactly the same benefits outside the EU as inside the EU.
If conference does not push him to a clearer brexit position I think they might actually get less votes than the libs in a snap ge
Sadly it seems purging blairites still takes priority
I think his position has been clear - he's trying to please the remainers by conning them into believing he can do a fantasy deal and trying to please the leavers by actually leaving. That's only going to work for his loyal supporters who would vote for him whatever he did or said. It's not them who need convincing .
He also came up with the Black and Tans.
A recent poll said I think 70% of people find his current stance unclear
He will bleed support both sides
As shown by his record low polling and the brexit party plus libs support
He needs to get onboard with thornberry McDonald starmer Watson etc and try to stop the libs overtaking them
He won't though
I read the headline about a better deal and just sighed. It is so disingenuous. He’s never earning the trust of remain voters with nonsense like that.
Or most brexit voters who feel the current deal is too closely aligned
Which probably goes a long way to explaining the poor polling figures
Labours position to have a second referendum is quite clear. To me it seems the logical route. Our country is currently in stalemate, torn between direct democracy vs parliamentary democracy. A second referendum seems the most logical way to go.
What the options will be on the potential for an improved deal are yet to be confirmed. But it's well known the May and Johnson have both demonstrated failings during negotiations and lacked a collaborative approach. May not consulting with parliament along cross party lines during negotiation and Johnson only seemingly preparing for a dictated no deal!
All negotiations with the EU have been led by the Conservative party. The EU have been much more open to input from Corbyn than Theresa May or Johnson.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...parliament-theresa-may-backstop-a8767931.html
The Labour and Corbyn critics will jump on any stance taken it seems. As stated above, Labours stance is a second referendum with the potential of a better deal being negotiated.
Whether this will resonate with remain and leave voters who are deeply entrenched in their positions is yet to be seen.
What the options will be on the potential for an improved deal are yet to be confirmed. But it's well known the May and Johnson have both demonstrated failings during negotiations and lacked a collaborative approach. May not consulting with parliament along cross party lines during negotiation and Johnson only seemingly preparing for a dictated no deal!
All negotiations with the EU have been led by the Conservative party. The EU have been much more open to input from Corbyn than Theresa May or Johnson.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...parliament-theresa-may-backstop-a8767931.html
The Labour and Corbyn critics will jump on any stance taken it seems. As stated above, Labours stance is a second referendum with the potential of a better deal being negotiated.
Whether this will resonate with remain and leave voters who are deeply entrenched in their positions is yet to be seen.
Michael Collins had the chance to punch the fecker in the head and didn't take it.
May's blue unicorns were criticised at the time, the same as Corbyn's red unicorns. May's original proposals were not possible which was evident from the beginning and Corbyn's proposal are not possible. Wishful thinking will not change that. You say people are entrenched in their positions. Corbyn followers, especially if they are remainers must surely realise Corbyn is talking rubbish but they won't admit it.
The EU will of course be happy that the UK stay in the customs union and single market but that's not what Corbyn is saying .The EU are favouring that these may possibly be a starting point in negotiations but Corbyn will never get from the EU what he wants.
If the Tories had said what Corbyn is saying you'd be laughing at them.
You cannot be in a customs union and do your own deals and you cannot be in the single market and not accept the 4 freedoms including FoM. Access to the single market is meaningless. The whole world has access to the Single Market and anyone can have a free trade deal , it just has to be negotiated.
Leave wins a 2020 referendum, what's the best outcome? A Labour Brexit, Mays Brexit or No Deal.
I think we all know it's the former and yet some don't want Labour to bother negotiating a deal and would rather they just ignore the possibility that remain might not win.
I think we all know it's the former and yet some don't want Labour to bother negotiating a deal and would rather they just ignore the possibility that remain might not win.
The Labour Brexit does not exist and never will , what's wrong with you all?. There is the Withdrawal Agreement , there is no deal, there is Remain and there is Brexit in Name only which is Remain but having no vote..
The EU doesn't agree with your stance, we've had this discussion countless times. The WA is the WA under current red lines only.
We know you take Labours wishlist as something that will never change, the reality is if they get power they will water down brexit.
Who said the EU doesn't agree; for pity's sake. The watered down Brexit is Brexit in Name only - that's changing the red lines to staying in the customs union and the single market and no vote - well that should make everyone happy.
Bewildering.
Oh no... Not the customs union... A customs union... One where we are allowed to strike our own trade deals around the world yet we still get say on any future EU deals ... Isnt that what they have said before... Aka unicorns
Do you want me to provide a long list of quotes, barnier has always reiterated than they will move quickly if the UK want a closer relationship. Plenty if not all would end up in the PC rather than WA but they're a package as far as passing through the commons.
Whether people are happy are not is irrelevant. They'll have the choice if they'd rather stay.
I'm sure you'd rather they didn't bother and let us go out on Mays deal.
Of course the EU would be happy with a closer relationship - BINO, nothing changes, the UK still pay and they can't vote. Best possible outcome for the EU -it's better than if the UK Remain.
Somehow Brexiters may not be this daft and Remainers wouldn't be either.