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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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redshaw said:
Some will see this as a game of bluff. You could think the EU won't do anything favourable as they don't think you'll actually leave but once you do then they might allow some small changes as money talks but EU have the 27 block to protect and could just watch how the UK does and get on with their project.

Also the EU will be forced to put up a hard border in Ireland, would be interesting to see how they handle it if UK were to leave on the 31st.

We don't even have a deal yet. We have a withdrawal agreement and there could be many problems down the line once trade is talked about with all 27 chipping in. France will want full access to UK waters. The EU will have the UK over a barrel in the trade talks so we should remain and be a full member.

The best way to leave and honour the vote would be retreating to a temporary Norway deal for 5+ years , set up trade deals then leave fully. We could be 3 years in trade talks already and if we have another extension it would be almost 4 years since the vote with nothing done.

I don't want to leave but leave has always meant leave. If you leave you expect to do your own trade deals, you expect FoM to end and not be subject to EU laws. Any kind of soft brexit means you accept FoM, or give up any chance to do your own deals and be subject to EU laws and the EU were never going to be nice and undermine themselves.

Best to remain, have a say, keep the vetos, have the freedom of moving around Europe. The 9-10 billion we pay is not much at all. NHS costs over a 110 billion a year to run last I looked.
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This is, and always has been, the most logical solution, but the idiot leavers don't deal in logic.

You would have thought there would have been a massive charm offensive to get the remainers on side, but no. We're leaving, like it or lump it, and we don't give a shit what happens afterwards.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Yeah but watch out Steve because Boris is a big tough guy, not suffering fools. You better watch out, Beadle's about etc.
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I wonder which of us would win the running away race?
 
Red Dreams said:
Must say the Torries did a bang up job scapegoating Immigrants.
Why the hard Brexiters are so intent.

Violence?

The natural progression of such thinking. Why the surprise?
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Anti EU sentiment long predates the Conservatives current stint in power. Much of the anti immigration feeling came from under Blair too.
 
WensleyMU said:
Anti EU sentiment long predates the Conservatives current stint in power. Much of the anti immigration feeling came from under Blair too.
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The European issue has been tearing the the Tory party apart for the last, what, 50 years?

They pushed Cameron into promising them a referendum in the manifesto, and look where it has got them.
 
Sassy Colin said:
The European issue has been tearing the the Tory party apart for the last, what, 50 years?

They pushed Cameron into promising them a referendum in the manifesto, and look where it has got them.
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It's been quite a big issue for British politics, not just the Tory's. Go back to the 80s and the likes of Corbyn and Benn were completely opposed to the EU and were as far to the left as anyone in UK politics outside the extremes.

It's an issue that for a variety not reasons transcends the normal political divide and always has.
 
WensleyMU said:
I think Jo Cox's family asked that her death not be used for point scoring.
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1) They will obviously say that given the circumstances in attempting to protect her legacy
2) I'm not obligated to do as her husband says if I think that a sitting MP being murdered is a relevant fact in forming an opinion
3) The incident could be considered indicative of how the racist hate mob react so in my view it is relevant when identifying the threat of one side using violent rhetoric and threats
 
Drainy said:
1) They will obviously say that given the circumstances in attempting to protect her legacy
2) I'm not obligated to do as her husband says if I think that a sitting MP being murdered is a relevant fact in forming an opinion
3) The incident could be considered indicative of how the racist hate mob react so in my view it is relevant when identifying the threat of one side using violent rhetoric and threats
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Maybe they say it cos they don't want wankers twisting her memory for their own ends.
 
WensleyMU said:
It's been quite a big issue for British politics, not just the Tory's. Go back to the 80s and the likes of Corbyn and Benn were completely opposed to the EU and were as far to the left as anyone in UK politics outside the extremes.

It's an issue that for a variety not reasons transcends the normal political divide and always has.
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I'm not sure I buy that. Yes there has been a strain of labour Eurosceptism but it's not been significant - for years Labour presented themselves as a largely pro European party. Eurosceptism as a significant view has been a Tory preoccupation. It's leading voices have been Tory. It's the Tories who have been most split over Europe for the longest. And it is the Tories who birthed Brexit.
 
Jippy said:
Maybe they say it cos they don't want wankers twisting her memory for their own ends.
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So it shouldn't be brought up then? a sitting MP shot dead because of how rhetoric affects some people on one side of the argument. Seems like a biggie to just let slide.

Of course you should learn the lessons and act on tragic events. We shouldn't let people like Farage, Johnson and Francois forget what the consequences of their rhetoric can be.
 
Drainy said:
So it shouldn't be brought up then? a sitting MP shot dead because of how rhetoric affects some people on one side of the argument. Seems like a biggie to just let slide.

Of course you should learn the lessons and act on tragic events. We shouldn't let people like Farage, Johnson and Francois forget what the consequences of their rhetoric can be.
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Both sides have threatened actions, violence and more.

Wasn't there a Brexiter murdered by his remain voting neighbour over Brexit? In Manchester?
 
WensleyMU said:
Wasn't there a Brexiter murdered by his remain voting neighbour over Brexit? In Manchester?
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I hadn't heard about that previously and that is properly terrible.

If there are lessons to be learnt there should be. That said, in my experience there has been no where close to the level of inflammatory rhetoric on the Remain side.

I'm from West Yorkshire, my facebook is full of leavers. All I see from them is 'EU is the 4th Reich', Immigration invasion, traitors, enemies of the people talk..
 
Drainy said:
So it shouldn't be brought up then? a sitting MP shot dead because of how rhetoric affects some people on one side of the argument. Seems like a biggie to just let slide.

Of course you should learn the lessons and act on tragic events. We shouldn't let people like Farage, Johnson and Francois forget what the consequences of their rhetoric can be.
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We should, but it needs to be done with sensitivity and not point-scoring, as the family said.
Both sides could do with toning down the rhetoric at times, but the last thing you want is a Johnson using her death for purely political ends.
 
SteveJ said:
I wonder which of us would win the running away race?
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Joke's on the both of you because I've been preemptively hiding in a bush for the last 17 years just in case something bad happens like a flood or the Dogs Trust salesperson turns up at my door.
 
You win again, El Pij. I tried hiding in a thicket but it laddered my tights.
 
Christ, she ought to marry Gary Neville.
 
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