Yeah sounds like the EU have had enough now. The can has been kicked as far along on the road as it can be and with Parliament still unable to vote on anything constructive it'll be out with no deal by default.
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Another day of Johnson telling everyone that he has 'an abundance' of plans and proposals...yet he can't reveal them at this time. Hmm.
Another option being reported by Faisal and others on Twitter is that they may be moving to a new deal with a border down the irish see dressed up as other solutions. Possibly with NI being given a vote on it.
Of course let them remain in all but name and scotland will want to as well.
Haven't been following events as closely the last few months but isn't No Deal off the table as an option after today?
That was the obvious solution 3 years ago but May had to kowtow to the DUP.
From the Guardian. Jesus fecking Christ..
Oh, my sides. What a wag he is.
What’s this? An actual adult in the room?
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No. They can still vote on it.
Holy crap.
pretty logical
if todays vote is rejected he really does not have many options...
a vonc in himself would give the opposition the chance to form a GNU so he does not want to call that - and it had to close by wednesday anyway
This is isn't a surprise or am I missing something?
So my understanding is legislation has been passed with means Johnson cannot take the UK out of the EU without a deal on Oct 31 - or that if he does then he faces serious consequences.
But if the EU don't offer an extension and an acceptable deal isn't agreed, what on earth happens then?
But if the EU don't offer an extension and an acceptable deal isn't agreed, what on earth happens then?
It's a few days early which makes sense for Johnson. It just solidifies the narrative. I don't suppose any sort of compromise was ever likely.
Why is he allowed to keep suspending parliament?
Not really on the first paragraph it mainly requires him to seek extension and report. What the legislation does do is provide further control of the commons timetable so if really needed there can be a vote to revoke.
Oh, it was meant to be Wednesday. Cheers, I'm losing track - following all of this is exhausting.
My god, you have a leader who actually makes Varadkar look like the smart, rational, and competent one when stood beside him.
Was just thinking the same, Leo will be hoping to meet BJ as much as possible.
All Johnson has to do to comply with the new legislation is ask for an extension. Once he has done that, he has fulfilled his duties - if that request is rejected by the EU, Johnson will not face any legal repercussions.
If the EU don't offer an extension and an acceptable deal isn't agreed, parliament would have to decide between unilaterally revoking A50 or leaving with no deal.
Dear EU, please agree an extension to give you more time to consider just how wrong you've been and come up with a deal containing everything we've asked for. Cheers, Boris.
What a fecking stupid peace of legislation and waste of time.
Ah right cheers so does the law passed just means BoJo couldn't let the country crash out without Parliaments consent?
I thought Parliament had draughted him the exact request letter the law binds him to submit?
Could parliament revoke A50? I guess no majority for that anyhow
Great work to frustrate the saboteurs of their own economy
I didn't know that. I don't see how it could preclude a covering letter of some sort though.
I don't think they have the numbers in agreement to form a GNU, else they would call VoNC today. Would be an interesting strategic move to outflank him if they did, but I think the plan is to wait him out and see how this develops in the next month or so. You can pretty much guarantee a GNU though if he doesn't comply by 19th or 20th.
My own thoughts is he's going to try to get around it, and that it will be playing with fire. A GNU might well ask for an extension predicated upon a second referendum, and hold out until then for a GE. If that happens, both Boris and the Tories are finished.
Johnson could ask then do a round the back deal with Orban or the like to ensure the EU don't get 27 votes to extend.
Yeah - I don't think it does. I guess there might also be wiggle room in the meaning of the word "form". The relevant bits are as follows:
"I decree today that life is simply taking and not giving,
England is mine, it owes me a living.
But ask me why, and I'll spit in your eye,
Oh, ask me why, and I'll spit in your eye.
But we cannot cling to the old dreams anymore
No, we cannot cling to those dreams..."
Yeah we already know you like The Smiths, sheesh, worse than BoJo banging on about leaving on Halloween.
F*ck, time for a vote of no confidence in me.
Can we not change October to 30 days so it's literally impossible to leave on the 31st?
Why is he laughing like an idiot?
This has always been the case from day 1 following the A50 letter, everything else has been delaying tactics or sheer incompetence
What's the betting that at the bottom of the letter Boris adds;
PS "please ignore the above it was written for me, it does not represent what HM Government actually thinks and I maintain it is therefore signed and hence presented under duress"... or something like it, e.g. " the deal we will seek during the extension (should you agree to it) will be the Canada +++ option... over to you Mr President"