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Understood. Thanks.
And spent a year or so prepping the public with “no deal is better than a bad deal”
Given that any deal was going to be worse than the status quo this essentially amounted to pro no-deal propaganda
Let’s not forget ‘citizens of nowhere’.
Your reminder of the tactical genius at work in the Labour Party at this moment of national crisis.
No way! Labour's environmental section is using its own twitter account to advertise the new animal welfare manifesto! Truly awful. Personally I'm beside myself. I mean the manifesto even made its way on to Labours primary twitter page, breaking a string of about 20 tweets (alright, around 10) directly addressing prorogation and Brexit.
Disgusting.
Man visits the doctor because he has a verruca. Tells the doctor he's decided to have both legs amputated to get rid of the verruca. Doctor says "while it will certainly rid you of the verruca, do you realise you won't be able to walk if you go ahead with this?"
Man responds "I hadnt actually thought of that... But my minds made up now."
Man responds "I hadnt actually thought of that... But my minds made up now."
What's up with that? I don't vote Labour but am huge on animal welfare and that may well sway me to vote for them so it's a successful message they've put out.
Besides, it says it right there... Labour environment page and it follows their release of the their wonderful animal welfare manifesto they just put out.
Certainly beats the other lot's penchant for barbarically ripping animals to shreds.
Cameron
May
BoJo
Has there ever been such an appaingly bad series of PM's? And it isn't like we have a good record. I wonder if Woodward has been recruiting PM's as a side business?
May
BoJo
Has there ever been such an appaingly bad series of PM's? And it isn't like we have a good record. I wonder if Woodward has been recruiting PM's as a side business?
Wow. Gut wrenching. What a fecked up world we live in right now.
oh, it's all going off now!
You'll be swayed to vote Labour because of their policy towards lobsters?
feck me, its no wonder the world is in flames.
Genuine question.... what do you think?
Could a hard brexit be actually a blessing in disquise in the long run?
Once people realize and feel the consequences of it, it might improve the public opinion of the EU and it might change the political landscape in a positive way. So UK might rejoin the EU and be actually glad to do so.
Could a hard brexit be actually a blessing in disquise in the long run?
Once people realize and feel the consequences of it, it might improve the public opinion of the EU and it might change the political landscape in a positive way. So UK might rejoin the EU and be actually glad to do so.
Can a loss be a win?
I was going to say that that is about as daft as wanting to have both your legs amputated to get rid of a verruca.
Seriously though. You have to remember that when we leave the EU, the concessions that we were able to obtain such as the financial rebate go.
I am sure that were we stupid enough to leave then later apply to rejoin we would be faced with specific demands like joining the Euro for example.
No. Once we leave then that is it.
EDIT. More chance of us becoming the 51st state of America.
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I find myself feeling genuine angst about all this the last couple of week. The worlds in a state and we're all just passengers to this mess.
You're right that the only way for these idiots to actually realize how good the EU is for them will be to suffer the consequences of no longer being in it, but they're already suffering and seem to still want it more than ever so I honestly think you could get the UK government to chop their legs off to feed people for emergency food and they'd still want Brexit even more.
Once things hit the sh*tter after no-deal I'm sure they'll still find a way to blame the EU.
So no, it's not good, at all. If anything it will destroy the UK, which may be what these stupid English politicians want in the end as they only see NI, Scotland and Wales as burdens on England at this point.
And we’d lose all the benefits / exceptions we currently have. We’d probably have to join the euro for example
The rebate would be most probably reduced. AFAIK there is some justification for the rebate.
With regard to the Euro, that is only a myth. You do not need to join the Euro. I can't fathom where that myth came from and why so many are believing it.
I think it is a condition for NEW members... Existing members with an opt out (UK and Denmark that I'm aware of ) would not be obliged to join
However if the UK were to rejoin having left then I think they would be classified a new member
It's not impossible that could be negotiated away as a rejoining member? But would probably require a lot of negotiations and frankly from the EU point of view I think having UK in the euro would make more sense and make it far less likley we would try to leave again as it would be even more complex.
Under the future enlargements section
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_eurozone
Okay, that ship has definitely sailed then.
I don't doubt there'll be massive support to rejoin the EU in the coming years.
But think about how hard the powers that be have worked to get us out. Why would the people who pull the strings allow us to join again?
Same with the NHS, once it's gone that'll be that.
If the EU becomes the United States of Europe one entity, then a single currency will be required, I think that currency will be the Euro, not sterling! Not hard to figure out is it?
I disagree. I think the campaign to re-join will start almost immediately. I don't expect even most hard-core Brexiteers' celebrations will last very long before it dawns on them there are no realistic gains for most people from Brexit. And, as it becomes clear that the Utopia they have been promised was a pipe dream all along, their support for Brexit will be replaced by disappointment. Whilst I don't expect hard-core Brexiteers (they will always scapegoat someone or something other than Brexit itself) to turn pro Euro, I expect there will be many more who are moderately pro-Brexit who will, at least, see sense in closer relationships with the EU once again.
More than people changing their minds, though, I think it is the demographic changes that will increasingly foster pro-European views. Younger people are already strongly pro-Euro and the values they prioritise, e.g. halting climate change, are mostly inconsistent with the insularity of Brexit.
I also think that whatever the trade deals post Brexit, there will be, in the end reason to enable (once again) strong economic ties with the EU because it is nonsensical, in business terms, to want to trade with the rest of the world whilst ignoring the big market nearby.
In the past the UK joined the then 'Common market' or EEC, probably under false pretences really, as it was seen by many in power in the UK at the time, Harold Wilson in particular, as a get out of jail free card to escape the 'sick man of Europe' syndrome we had attracted through wildcat strikes etc. in the early seventies. We never read the fine-print or the Treaty of Rome and from day one struggled to be 'good Europeans'. We've negotiated opt outs and rebates and although once close to joining the Euro we never did.
In many ways it might be best for us to leave now and when we reapply to join, Possible when its is a USE (not the EU) we read the fine print first and also agree the direction of travel and vow to become 'good Europeans', every cloud as a silver lining... so I'm telling myself!
Don’t you have to be out like 20 years or something before you can reapply for membership?
After the Brexit saga it will be more like 40 -50 years... unless of course 'No deal' literally means what it implies and there is no trade at all between the EU and the UK, a situation which a lot of people on here seem to think will occur.
Do you really believe there will be no trade at all? So what will the pile up of lorries at dover be carrying?
That's not what No Deal means. No Deal means that standard international agreements will be applied, for example standard WTO rules.
I think the remain side has missed a trick really, when Johnson was appointed they should have enthusiasticly supported his efforts to solve the backstop and put in place a programme to review the options including cross-party efforts. It would have exposed that we don't have any alternatives and prevented this parliament vs the people ruse.
Now we can only rely on the EU being as transparent as possible to showcase that the government isn't proposing anything of merit.
Now we can only rely on the EU being as transparent as possible to showcase that the government isn't proposing anything of merit.
He was only appointed the day before parliament broke up ... There has (deliberately a cynic might think) been no time for any such programme to be formalised
I was mainly thinking just to the press and any committees.
Of course if Labour did such a ploy they'd be attacked for being a Brexit party by the mob.
Seeing as this is a football forum, is it safe to say that a no deal Brexit will significantly weaken the PL? Pound will go down even further, TV deals will go down if Sky and BT lose subscribers etc. It'll become harder to get European players in.
Football will be the least of our worries if there's a no deal Brexit, but yes, you are right.
I imagine some of the demographic who voted Brexit will actually give more of a shit about football than other areas actually
Top 6 will be OK but these mid-table teams who can afford good quality continental players will suffer imo. Weakened pound, greater difficulty in securing work permits could lead to inferior talent coming to these teams and in turn weakens these teams making them less exciting to watch. If a deal is agreed in the next 2-3 years between the UK and EU then the PL might be able to get by without a significant loss is revenue.
The UK have resigned from the Premier League, cancelled all the TV rights and sponsorships and have elected to re-start from the Conference , but are hoping to have Trump's Chlorinated Chicken as their shirt sponsor.
Their new mascot will be Liz Truss who will be dressed as the village idiot.
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