They didn't even have an original plan let alone another one.
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They didn't even have an original plan let alone another one.
They are not threatening the EU... They are energising their own base for an election
In that context of they win a big majority they will go down as shrewd
But we will still crash out of the EU and the country will be fecked.
Well yes... Or not fecked depending on your point of view (I'm of the former rather than the latter)
But frankly when it comes to political power that's not as important as which party is in charge ... And in that context Johnson is playing a good game
August... Whip up anti EU sentiment
September... Make no deal official policy because the EU won't negotiate and as soon as parliament tries to block it then blame the remoaner mp's trying to block brexit and call an election
It could backfire but with the remain vote split and Corbyn being useless the only real problem seems to be can you buy farrage off with a cushy job to get him to back the conservatives and I'm pretty sure that's doable
I guess that is one way of looking at it.
It is always good to have someone to blame.
But by now, the majority of the public will not be taken in by such posturing.
When the sh1t really starts to hit the fan, there will only be one person to blame. Good old cuddly Boris will have put our economy and peoples living standards back to the same level as the global financial crisis or even worse.
Dont be silly - there will be millions of people with darker skin or EU immigruntz to blame
Johnson is playing a good game....
That pretty much sums up the way politicians operate these days.
Don't forget. There is a very big pro remain section of the electorate and the government.
He might think that he is being shrewd in the short term. But, what goes around comes around....Let's see how shrewd he really is. I suspect NOT is the answer.
What about this: The economy crashes, a certain demographic exploits the decreased property prices to buy up property which they'll then make money off in the future, repeat in ten years time?
Dont be silly - we will be far too busy setting up soylent green factories to help boris cope with potential employment and food supply issues ...
The irony being that it was proposed by the conservative party itself
Correct. And that is yet another failed policy that they will be trying to conveniently forget.
Exactly what common sense would tell you, but Brexiteers, e.g. IDS, already trying to spin this as more project fear. It is amazing. Were these people always this thick, or has Brexit banished all logical thought?
Also, I don't really get the obsession with a US trade deal anyhow. Is there much that UK exports the US cannot get elsewhere more cheaply? It just seems like US hero worshiping on the Brexiteers part.
They're even speaking like Trump now with the 'sad' line.
The idiots will lap it up and believe it's the EU at fault
The idiots will lap it up and believe it's the EU at fault
The idea that brexiteers dont know what Summers said is nonsese.
They know it and it is precisely their plan. Just look at how many trips they all make to the States. They're in cahoots with American fund managers and entrepreneurs to sell the country piece by piece.
They know it and it is precisely their plan. Just look at how many trips they all make to the States. They're in cahoots with American fund managers and entrepreneurs to sell the country piece by piece.
There is a game of thrones quote about littlefinger that feels appropriate when discussion politicians;
He would burn the seven kingdoms to the ground if he could be king of the ashes.
He would burn the seven kingdoms to the ground if he could be king of the ashes.
Mr Pigeon News said:
During the referendum campaign BoJo was telling everyone how they’d negotiate a fantastic deal of with the EU, now BoJo is blaming the EU for not wanting to negotiate. People who support BoJo are idiots.
This is what I've been asking myself, too. I mean, is there anything other than dodgy finance products(of which the US isn't exactly in short supply of) worth mentioning?
That trade deal has got to be one the most one sided agreements ever.
) worth mentioning?That trade deal has got to be one the most one sided agreements ever.
Can we sell them the royal family?This is what I've been asking myself, too. I mean, is there anything other than dodgy finance products(of which the US isn't exactly in short supply of
That trade deal has got to be one the most one sided agreements ever.
Does Farage actually want the UK to leave? His entire political career (which he monetizes heavily off) is based around his endless campaign to leave the EU. If we actually do that, he's likely to be immediately marginalized, just like he was straight after the referendum. It's only been the threat of us not leaving thats put him back in the spotlight.
Whereas if the UK stayed at the last moment, suddenly 'Nige' is back at the head of a national campaign movement and the darling of gammons everywhere.
Arent they planning on a free trade agreement with the EU after they leave and wont the same hurdles like Backstop need to be addressed? They threaten with a no-deal then proceed to leave.
What's the leverage after they leave? UK threatens to re-join the EU?
What's the leverage after they leave? UK threatens to re-join the EU?
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Send him to the usa on a fat paycheck to
EU said free trade deal based on aligned regulations... So scrap that as being achievable... Tit for tat taffifs incoming I think after a hard brexit and a very long fractious trade talks process (decade at a guess)
Have to admit, the mere thought is kinda scary...
Don’t think this is directly related to Brexit (there are non-EU members which are part of the scheme), but it certainly seems to be in the same spirit:
yup - but if we scream about how good a fecking he gives us we might get a reach-roundTrump to the rescue.
Make Britain Great Again and all that
Trump's bitch
I'm a bit concerned by Cummings words this morning. I'd thought the Tory rebels would work with Labour to oust Boris and that would be that but it sounds like they're actively planning on him losing a VONC as part of a GE strategy.
We could be going into an election in a few months time with a prime minister voted out who refuses to leave. I'm not even sure the Tories have the numbers to do a leadership challenge either so the queen would then have to decide whether to appoint a unity government that has the confidence of the house or proceed as the PM requests to a GE. Usual protocol would be the former but will she go against the PM
We could be going into an election in a few months time with a prime minister voted out who refuses to leave. I'm not even sure the Tories have the numbers to do a leadership challenge either so the queen would then have to decide whether to appoint a unity government that has the confidence of the house or proceed as the PM requests to a GE. Usual protocol would be the former but will she go against the PM
This gov't just seems supremely arrogant, not that different from an old fashioned dictatorship. There is obviously a flow in the act, which makes this feasible, but you would imagine, for once, the Queen has to step in.I'm a bit concerned by Cummings words this morning. I'd thought the Tory rebels would work with Labour to oust Boris and that would be that but it sounds like they're actively planning on him losing a VONC as part of a GE strategy.
We could be going into an election in a few months time with a prime minister voted out who refuses to leave. I'm not even sure the Tories have the numbers to do a leadership challenge either so the queen would then have to decide whether to appoint a unity government that has the confidence of the house or proceed as the PM requests to a GE. Usual protocol would be the former but will she go against the PM
Gut feel they call an election before a vote of no confidenceI'm a bit concerned by Cummings words this morning. I'd thought the Tory rebels would work with Labour to oust Boris and that would be that but it sounds like they're actively planning on him losing a VONC as part of a GE strategy.
We could be going into an election in a few months time with a prime minister voted out who refuses to leave. I'm not even sure the Tories have the numbers to do a leadership challenge either so the queen would then have to decide whether to appoint a unity government that has the confidence of the house or proceed as the PM requests to a GE. Usual protocol would be the former but will she go against the PM
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The fecking state of Bojo's Tory govt. Whoever buys into this nonsense is an ideological fool who's parted with reality long time ago.
The fecking state of Bojo's Tory govt. Whoever buys into this nonsense is an ideological fool who's parted with reality long time ago.
Where have we seen this shit show before? Oh, across the pond..
I very much doubt either side would want the Queen involved, neither would she wished to be involved. The UK has no written constitution to go by, only precedent and the last time a monarch intervened with Parliament a Civil War broke out.
If Boris tried to prorogue Parliament he would have to explain to HM its because they (the house) wouldn't pass his plan for no deal, but which is something that would happen by default anyway . If Parliament tried to remove the PM on a vote of no confidence and he wouldn't leave, they would still have to persuade HM to remove him by decree and she would have to set a precedent by removing a PM who would claim that on the basis of the 2016 Ref, he was simply "carrying out the will of the People"...tough call for HM!
No matter how she personally felt, her advisers would stop the removal of Johnson.
But if backbenchers managed to form, say, a national unity gov't within the two weeks after the vonc, then HM has to decide to either sack Boris and appoint a new PM; or refuse to appoint the newly elected leader of the national unity gov't as PM whilst allowing Boris to continue despite having lost a vonc. So it will be unavoidable for HM; either choice forces her to meddle in politics.
Edit: I think it would be ridiculous, if not inconcievable, for Boris to hang on if backbenchers could form an alternative gov't once he had lost a vonc. What are the future prospects of a PM who basically squats to hang on to power? So I think he would probably walk in that scenario.
He might hang on, though, if there is no alternative gov't formed after losing the vonc.
Or, he might even survive the vonc.
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That's not how this country works.
The Queen can't "step in", she has to do what's she's told.
Can you imagine what would happen if The Queen did "step in"? There would be anarchy.