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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Polls seem to be largely in agreement regarding Brexit party winning big, Tories getting crushed and Greens doing respectably, big divergence seems to be on the Lib Dem/Labour split. Modelling turnout must be a nightmare these days. Both extremes seem plausible to me.
 
Polls seem to be largely in agreement regarding Brexit party winning big, Tories getting crushed and Greens doing respectably, big divergence seems to be on the Lib Dem/Labour split. Modelling turnout must be a nightmare these days. Both extremes seem plausible to me.
based on this thread, labour sshould be at zero.
 
Fair enough, I can't remember the finer points, but obviously no-one expected it to be that bad.


Ditto. Was them or greens.

No one expected her to lose her majority, right enough, and I certainly didn't - but a few prominent pollsters did point out that there was an inherent risk to calling the vote in that even a comfortable victory had the potential to jeopardise the Tories' majority depending on how it fell. They'd gotten a majority under Cameron with a 6-7 point lead but even then it had been a narrow one.

Can't believe you've almost gone full Green - give it a year or two and you'll be making the Corbyn fans here look like Thatcher.:lol:
 
based on this thread, labour sshould be at zero.
On the other hand, my parents, both staunch remainers and Corbyn-skeptics, voted Labour. If the electorate skews older without a big influx of new remainers, could quite conceivably see Labour's vote hold up above 20%.
 
On the other hand, my parents, both staunch remainers and Corbyn-skeptics, voted Labour. If the electorate skews older without a big influx of new remainers, could quite conceivably see Labour's vote hold up above 20%.
long live older voters
 
The original point was about who's best placed to make decisions.

Older people have a lot of life experience youngsters lack, but that doesn't necessarily mean they know more about what's best for the country politically - an 85-year-old for example probably knows feck all about government plans for the tech sector. Which is fair enough, because they're retired, and don't need to worry about that sort of stuff anymore. But the idea older people are automatically more informed than younger generations is a myth.

Although anyone wanting to deny older people the vote is equally suspect.

Older people also have a huge vested interest in the status quo while the young don’t.
 
Ended up voting Green, the 1st time i've ever voted against Labour. It was a toss up between them and the Lib Dems but the coalition still leaves a bad taste.
 
Disgraceful. Wonder if anything will happen?
Let's not kid ourselves. It was the tories responsible for this knowing few Europeans will vote tory, and it's the tories responsibility to make anything happen.

It just underlines the utter hypocrisy every time the word democracy leaves their mouths.
 
Older people also have a huge vested interest in the status quo while the young don’t.
Where it was the older generation that most wanted Brexit, which was a huge move from the status quo.
 
No one expected her to lose her majority, right enough, and I certainly didn't - but a few prominent pollsters did point out that there was an inherent risk to calling the vote in that even a comfortable victory had the potential to jeopardise the Tories' majority depending on how it fell. They'd gotten a majority under Cameron with a 6-7 point lead but even then it had been a narrow one.

Can't believe you've almost gone full Green - give it a year or two and you'll be making the Corbyn fans here look like Thatcher.:lol:
:lol:The Tories drift to the right has kinda coincided with my drift to the left. @Grinner was spot on for me when he said you're lefty in your idealistic teens, move right when you start paying taxes and resenting funding students and that life you've lost, then as you get more comfortable financially when older, you move left again and want to give something back. Well, others of course, like my mum, just turn hard right in old age, but hey ho.

If you live in Hammersmith & Fulham and have seen Labour's Andy Slaughter spend years battling to save Charing Cross Hospital from the Tories, who want to downgrade it to a clinic and sell loads of its land to developers, it's hard not to find the just side of the argument.
 
So what happens now? Brexit Party clean up in the European Elections, BoJo becomes PM and a no-deal Brexit follows? Is that a possibility?
 
So what happens now? Brexit Party clean up in the European Elections, BoJo becomes PM and a no-deal Brexit follows? Is that a possibility?

A very real possibility but a general election seems more likely to me as the new leader won't want a quick VONC against them and there's not really many options left outside a refreshed mandate.
 
So what happens now? Brexit Party clean up in the European Elections, BoJo becomes PM and a no-deal Brexit follows? Is that a possibility?
Sounds about right to me. Then blame May for having to accept No Deal because she wasted the negotiating period. Tories win back the Brexit Party voters, Farage becomes irrelevant and everyone blames May.
 
If May cared about her legacy she'd revoke A50 now and tell the others to get their act together before they trigger it again.

She'd at least secure some respect for it.
 
Let's not kid ourselves. It was the tories responsible for this knowing few Europeans will vote tory, and it's the tories responsibility to make anything happen.

It just underlines the utter hypocrisy every time the word democracy leaves their mouths.

I'm sceptical on that. I'd rather think it was a systematic failure. Local councils run registrations and polling stations as far as I'm aware.
 
Last vote on her deal is on June 6th isn’t it?

I can see that being cancelled because she has absolutely no political leverage now to make any promises to anyone.

She’s a busted flush.
 
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"Are you not entertained?!"
 
Listening to May tell us all about her and the Conservatives and Unionists accomplishments it's almost like listening to Trump.
 
Crocodile tears, do one Theresa May. If the advice you were given about compromise resonated with you so much, why haven't you done any compromising with the House at any point during the Brexit process?
 
:lol:The Tories drift to the right has kinda coincided with my drift to the left. @Grinner was spot on for me when he said you're lefty in your idealistic teens, move right when you start paying taxes and resenting funding students and that life you've lost, then as you get more comfortable financially when older, you move left again and want to give something back. Well, others of course, like my mum, just turn hard right in old age, but hey ho.

If you live in Hammersmith & Fulham and have seen Labour's Andy Slaughter spend years battling to save Charing Cross Hospital from the Tories, who want to downgrade it to a clinic and sell loads of its land to developers, it's hard not to find the just side of the argument.

I was raised in a mildly Tory house so started there and have moved consistenty left since my teens.
 
May bites the dust and wants to cry.
Soft brexit no longer an option.
Hard brexit or No Brexit.
 
It's going to be BoJo and hard Brexit.
With any luck the leadership contest will tear the Tory Party apart.

Yes that looks like the most likely outcome.

Rumours of an electoral pact between Boris and Nigel, too, which would obviously be pretty bad news for Labour in a GE.