im 31 and not classed as a skilled worker, the chances of them excepting me are ver little
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Holy hell
It's actually even more interesting with this one
The nation really is split down the middle
Looks like Leadsom's Leave credibility may be about to be shot. May should say something ridiculous or it'll be too boring a contest.
That one makes absolutely zero sense
Still think a referendum in 18 months on EEA, assuming we haven't been able to get a deal to access the single market without dropping free movement, is the only sensible way. Seeing some horrific predictions of what'll happen if we have to fall back on WTO agreements.http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...g-Britain-destroy-Brussels-Jaroslaw-Kaczynski
"Mrs Merkel has publicly toed the same line, but privately she is under intense pressure from powerful German industry chiefs to accommodate Britain, which is the number one customer for many of the country's manufactured goods."
And that is why you will get your free-trade deal. At the end of the day the moolah rules.
"Mrs Merkel has publicly toed the same line, but privately she is under intense pressure from powerful German industry chiefs to accommodate Britain, which is the number one customer for many of the country's manufactured goods."
And that is why you will get your free-trade deal. At the end of the day the moolah rules.
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Those who voted based on immigration will never change their tune. They don't care about what experts think, they don't care about the econmy, trade deals, jobs, rights, London as a financial hub etc. People who reach a conclusion not through logic or facts can't be reasoned with.
Depressingly correct. Gave up debating this with my mum earlier today.
The report "Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union" which can be downloaded here: http://ec.europa.eu/priorities/economic-monetary-union/docs/5-presidents-report_en.pdf shows why the EU is so dangerous, and people are so right to want to leave.
- Starting in 2016 a banking-union that gives the European Central Bank carte blanche over national banks is set in motion
- A fiscal union that gives the EU parliament the power, and phases out the national parliaments will be completed in 2025, this means that national budgets for individual nations are decided by the EU parliament, while the document outlines that "national parliaments will be given an advisory role".
A nice summary about the superstate here:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
EU is a supranational monsters that never must be allowed to come to full fruition. That the people actually willing are accepting this just shows what a great job global capital and politicians have done in conditioning their populations. Bravo, well done.
People who are in favour of the EU and against Brexit often claims that people that voted for Brexit and are against closer integration is bigoted and vote due to racism, and yes this is often the case. But hardly anyone who voted Remain and are pro EU are educated on what this union is trying to become in the long run, and their motives for doing it either.
Btw, the main sponsors for the Remain campaign were the following: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan. All companies that are known to always want the best for common people, and not acting in the interest of unregulated capitalism.
- Starting in 2016 a banking-union that gives the European Central Bank carte blanche over national banks is set in motion
- A fiscal union that gives the EU parliament the power, and phases out the national parliaments will be completed in 2025, this means that national budgets for individual nations are decided by the EU parliament, while the document outlines that "national parliaments will be given an advisory role".
A nice summary about the superstate here:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
EU is a supranational monsters that never must be allowed to come to full fruition. That the people actually willing are accepting this just shows what a great job global capital and politicians have done in conditioning their populations. Bravo, well done.
People who are in favour of the EU and against Brexit often claims that people that voted for Brexit and are against closer integration is bigoted and vote due to racism, and yes this is often the case. But hardly anyone who voted Remain and are pro EU are educated on what this union is trying to become in the long run, and their motives for doing it either.
Btw, the main sponsors for the Remain campaign were the following: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan. All companies that are known to always want the best for common people, and not acting in the interest of unregulated capitalism.
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The EU were so near and then we voted out. Wonder what subterfuge will be going on now to keep us in their grasp. Wonder what pressure Cameron was under to keep us in? Interesting to see how much other countries like this idea.
Oh, there will be several attempts. The EU has already trumped democracy many times to get nearer to their "superstate" project. The good old EU saying is "we keep on voting until we get the result we want". After all, people are so stupid they hardly know their own best, as we have been told so many times. It is better to let Goldman Sachs, Shell, Unilever and a select few politicians in the EU tell us what we want.
Thing is, this BREXIT vote and the opposition to EU has come due to immigration, there is no denying that. But that is only because immigration is such an easy accessible topic for every Tom, Dick and Harry. Most people won't exactly read daily about fiscal politics, taxation systems, corporate governance, resource politics, central banking or other things that the EU aim to take total control over.
Looks like Leadsom's Leave credibility may be about to be shot. May should say something ridiculous or it'll be too boring a contest.
That one makes absolutely zero sense
Was there anyone on the Leave side who actually believed what they were saying?
Do you really endorse this in any way? Any validity of his arguments is immediately negated by him being a colossal twat...
I remember on the day of the referendum result this law expert/writer said
And it's probably true.
And it's probably true.
Common sense mate
He complains about murders and rapists and then mentions Greek cafés.
Part of me wants Britain to just get cut out so that these people can see what will happen.
Logically, Germany would have worked out a deal with the Greeks but she had to placate her own angry electorate by not caving to their demands. Logically, she'd have allowed Russia to do whatever it wanted because it suited German industry. She answers to voters, not car manufacturers. If people always voted according to economic interests and in line with business leaders rather than on principle, Remain would have got 90% of the vote.
He complains about murders and rapists and then mentions Greek cafés.
Part of me wants Britain to just get cut out so that these people can see what will happen.
Logically, Germany would have worked out a deal with the Greeks but she had to placate her own angry electorate by not caving to their demands. Logically, she'd have allowed Russia to do whatever it wanted because it suited German industry. She answers to voters, not car manufacturers. If people always voted according to economic interests and in line with business leaders rather than on principle, Remain would have got 90% of the vote.
Oh, well, there is a tad of a difference between the three things. Working out a deal with Greece and ask German banks to take massive losses in the process, give free reign to a partially hostile nation like Russia, well let's just say giving Britain a trade agreement will be more acceptable for her voters.
I reckon selling the message to the German people that several thousand German jobs will now be lost, since she and the rest of the EU needs to send a message to every member state that leaving the union isn't acceptable won't go down well.
You guys are Germanys biggest customer. Here is an article outlining what not trading with you guys might cost:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/68...exit-Merkel-trade-deal-UK-Britain-German-jobs
I mean, I know she loves herself some EU, but not at any cost.
A trade agreement is fine. But Britain wants all of the benefits and none of the costs of being in the EU. The argument actually makes Leave voters closer to the stereotype of 'lazy Greeks' than the actual Greek people.
Do you regularly read the Express?
I regularly read Express, Le Monde, Guardian, TWJ and the New York times.
Ah ok. I was worried there.
Anything from the express isn't worth the bytes of data it's written on
If the express said it was going to be a sunny day, I'd probably take an umbrella, just in case.
I use it to get my English tabloid fix, since the Sun and DM is just one step to far.
In those EU articles above though it is just stating research and what other people have said. No "political analysis" from the Express, not that they would be capable of it.
They were not the main sponsors. Another financial services mogul and billionaire, Peter Hargreaves, was leave's biggest backer though.
Looks like Leadsom's Leave credibility may be about to be shot. May should say something ridiculous or it'll be too boring a contest.
That one makes absolutely zero sense
I wonder if Paul McKenna can shift my burgeoning beer gut?
The Express is like a low rent, even more vile version the DM with added Diana and property price obsession tbh.Not sure hypnosis is capable of such feats.
Who are you behind for the next Tory autocrat? You strike me like a May man.
I'm more hoping Crabbe will cure all the gays. Myabe he can turn ethnic minorities white too.Call me some sort of crazy revolutionary, but an EU-superstate doesnt sound like the end of the world to me. Considering the sheer size and power of Russia, China and the US, I think Europe needs to band together as much as possible in order to 'compete' on a global scale.
Of course, such a project would have to be very carefully governed, and I agree that Brussels have not thus far filled anyone with confidence that they would be able to balance the interests of many different states. But in an ideological sense I am not opposed to it at all.
I have found a lot of parallels between Brexit and the Scottish indyref two years ago, and sure enough I find myself on the same side of the fence, favouring union and integration rather than division. In both cases the 'leave' side have lacked any sort of concrete plan - difference is that the Scottish were sensible enough to realise that and vote against it.
Of course, such a project would have to be very carefully governed, and I agree that Brussels have not thus far filled anyone with confidence that they would be able to balance the interests of many different states. But in an ideological sense I am not opposed to it at all.
I have found a lot of parallels between Brexit and the Scottish indyref two years ago, and sure enough I find myself on the same side of the fence, favouring union and integration rather than division. In both cases the 'leave' side have lacked any sort of concrete plan - difference is that the Scottish were sensible enough to realise that and vote against it.
I love how a lot of the responses to the young losing their futures are basically how "Youth go on holiday to get pissed in Ibiza" I find it quite insulting and derogatory. I don't drink alcohol and never have and I like more cultural holidays. I still have fun but this is going to be a very large issue for a long time to come.
I choose to ignore a lot of what the results of Brexit will do because it's going to take so much negotiation I have no idea who I'll vote for as next PM.
The way he acts and condones himself is pretty much in a nut shell how I see a lot of leave voters around his age. He's definitely a "punchable" person.
I choose to ignore a lot of what the results of Brexit will do because it's going to take so much negotiation I have no idea who I'll vote for as next PM.
The way he acts and condones himself is pretty much in a nut shell how I see a lot of leave voters around his age. He's definitely a "punchable" person.
Yeah the guy in that video is a cnut, could barely get past 20 seconds of it. Probably reads the Express as well.
Oh, I didn't know that to be fair. Of the tabloids it just seemed like the less dumb paper to read since there aren't so many celebrity scandal stories like the Sun, and sad face "found a bug in my pack of crisps" sort of articles that the Daily Mail spout out.
Pure quality, la'. As a matter of fact I will have a read now with my morning coffee.
Are you trying to discredit yesterday's story that Elvis is still alive and working as a low paid gardener at Gracelands?
You are right, certainly sponsors though:
"...That list will include dozens of individuals, as well as the investment banks Citi, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley - a quartet which has collectively handed over approximately £1.5m."
The biggest sponsors is these guys:
"...Sky News has learnt that Britain Stronger in Europe (BSiE) has already raised around £14m from scores of backers, led by multimillion pound contributions from David Harding, a hedge fund tycoon, and Lord Sainsbury."
http://news.sky.com/story/1691479/eu-remain-campaign-raises-14m-from-donors
I agree on the colossal twat part, but not on the part that validity of arguments has anything to do with that. That wouldn't leave much validity to the arguments of the remainers either.
Hm..... and who backed Brexit the most and had the biggest influence over voters? A man who wouldn't be out of place in a James Bond movie.
Hm..... and who backed Brexit the most and had the biggest influence over voters? A man who wouldn't be out of place in a James Bond movie.
Oh, come on. How can you not love that face?
No, but seriously. I wonder what he has to gain from Brexit? In the case of the investment banks it is clear why they want the EU project to keep growing:
- Less national control of fiscal politics
- Control taken from the National Banks
- Very little to zero financial regulations
- Being able to lobby against regulations easier, not having to deal with it on a country-by-country basis
- Easier flow of capital, either fiscal or human, pressing wages and easing the conditions capital has to flourish
Genuine question, I wonder what the old tosser has to gain?
He said it himself. He gets an audience at Number 10. He doesn't in Brussels.
I wonder if this would have happened if we head used the single transferable vote instead of party lists for eu elections.
Party lists really are stupid
Party lists really are stupid