Obviously you're not able to make the distinction between voting prior to negotiations and following negotiations, i think most people aren't so simple.
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Obviously you're not able to make the distinction between voting prior to negotiations and following negotiations, i think most people aren't so simple.
I'm not against a vote to ask people to choose between 2 leave options after negotiations. That gives a choice to the people, and doesn't completely ignore the 2016 referendum
Why can't we have another referendum after we leave the EU for a few years and let things settle? I won't oppose that.
Not sure why everyone is so surprised - it was highly unlikely a majority will be reached after round 1 of indicative votes with 8 different routes on offer.
It’s a step in the right direction, need to keep whittling it down till we get somewhere.
It’s a step in the right direction, need to keep whittling it down till we get somewhere.
We'd have to actually leave first, which is proving pretty difficult.
A second ref or a GE might be needed to break the deadlock.
I get the feeling that very few people have read the option M. Jesus.
Hmm you might be on to something there. Take the Tories and the DUP off the ballot paper as well and all our problems could be solved.
Think may will roll the dice on mv3
If she wins she will quit once passed
If she loses she will call for a ge
But it wasn't a choice between the 8, they could vote yes or no on each one.
And the SNP abstained. Definitely seems to me to be a way forward. Then again the showing for a confirmatory referendum seems to have Sturgeon digging her heels in:
We'd only get let back in on worse terms than we're currently on, what would be the point in that?
We could. It’s not going to save that fact that the vast majority of trade in the UK could be crippled overnight, the loss of jobs or the amount of money lost but at least we wouldn’t have to consider the possibility that people have changed their mind over the course of 3 years.
The point would be to protect democracy. That would be the price we pay for making the decision in 2016.
How can anyone trust Parliament ever again after this to make a difficult decision? I certainly won't.
We could leave with a very soft Brexit, if that's what the people want in the confirmatory vote. Or the PM's deal.
The interesting thing is that people like Lisa Nandy and others on that list voted for revocation of Article 50 but not for 2nd ref. The mind boggles.
I know it's technically a "no" on all the options but I feel like there is far more clarity from tonight's vote than anything we've had so far. The binary option never suited Brexit to gauge majority consensus.
I found it so bizzare that a referendum has more votes than May's deal and the Brexit secretary gets up and says "we should obviously continue with the PMs deal".
I found it so bizzare that a referendum has more votes than May's deal and the Brexit secretary gets up and says "we should obviously continue with the PMs deal".
Definition of biting your nose of to spite your face.
It's not a referendum on leaving or staying.
Tell me what the benefit in doing that is? What does the U.K. gain from doing that over remaining?
Sometimes things just have to be done to prevent setting precedents.
Today you might be happy that they are overthrowing democracy in favour of Remain.
Tomorrow it may be another issue you voted in favour of but the government just plain straight up ignored you.
You have to protect democracy. If you are going to have a vote and then decide to completely ignore that result and vote again and again, then voting becomes a bit of a meaningless exercise.
There was nothing democratic about the lies spun over Brexit. Where is the £350m a week for the NHS?
Given the state of parliament for the last 3 years it can hardly have been said to have been 'completely ignored'.
If I voted for something, and realised the reality was something completely different than what I voted for, I hope I'd have the balls to stand up and say I got it wrong, and wouldn't mind being given the option to rethink if I felt like it.
Wouldn't a rank system have been better? Ie have everyone rank their option from 1st-8th preferred?
Might have taken a while to process but at least Customs Union could have gotten better traction from it.
Might have taken a while to process but at least Customs Union could have gotten better traction from it.
Democracy is protected simply when we next have a General Election.
I think you will find it’s the remain half of the country who have more respect for democracy than the leave half. A second referendum with a leave majority would end the argument, simple as that.
It's not much of a democracy if the original vote was based on shit loads of lies.
But the vote was illegal and nonbinding. Vote Leave and Leave.EU have breached spending limits and one of the biggest backers of leave, Aaaron Banks who contributed millions to the leave campaign is under investigation by the National Crime Agency. They've had 3 years to formulate a plan and none of the benefits shouted about by the Leave campaign are going to happen so its time to look at it again.
The reality of leaving the European Union is that. You leave.
How you leave and in what manner can be debated, but the crux is it has to be done in one way or another.
Similarly, if we left the EU and the country voted to go back in and the govenment ignored it, I would be utterly raging.
I don't trust that shower of shite in Parliament at the best of times, and this whole Brexit issue is leaving a rather bad taste in my mouth.
How you leave and in what manner can be debated, but the crux is it has to be done in one way or another.
Similarly, if we left the EU and the country voted to go back in and the govenment ignored it, I would be utterly raging.
I don't trust that shower of shite in Parliament at the best of times, and this whole Brexit issue is leaving a rather bad taste in my mouth.
what a jokeJacob Rees-Mogg on Peston on ITV saying that the PM has to go whether her deal is passed or not and confirming that he won't stand as leader but not-so-subtly hinting that he'll back Borris.
Her deal getting through is the best hope there is for the UK at the moment, insane though that sounds.
Good luck with whoever replaces her if she quits.
Tbf he wants to be the next pm and he wants to avoid a ge... So he's taking the logical position despite what he said before
Unless you don't.
No it is not, that is not going to help the country. The best deal for Britain is revoke article 50 but Parliament hasn't got the balls for it.
Yes agreed, I've been saying that all the time but realistically they're not going to do it. Parliament has to get a grip on reality.