It'd be quite fun to see since it'd confuse all of the rabid British nationalist/monarchist types, and prompt them to both want rid of the monarch whilst supporting its values.
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It'd be quite fun to see since it'd confuse all of the rabid British nationalist/monarchist types, and prompt them to both want rid of the monarch whilst supporting its values.
Check out the very last paragraph of this article mate. Over 600 gave their opinion and based on that alone they were overwhelmingly in favour of staying but over 3000 were asked for an opinion so only 17% actually responded. Would you not agree then that it's fair to say that most experts indeed haven't actually predicted anything?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron
Disgusting. I can't believe these youths would make this up.
A lot of experts and senior figures are going to suddenly sound very non-commital or even try and put a positive spin on it, because they don't want to contribute to an already very precarious situation going completely south.
Look, a huge number of people in the country had their financial safety blankets stripped away by the global economic crisis. That's people who have lost savings, lost equity on homes and possibly had to remorgage and generally had their situation worsened. There have been gains for some people over the last few years, but not nearly enough to compensate for what was lost. If there's now another really bad recession, a lot of people who weathered the storm last time are going to be in a far worse position to do so again, and people who lost everything last time are just going to be left completely hopeless. THAT is why pushing the UK into an almost certainly negative economic situation was so idiotic, the personal costs for millions of people could be absolutely horrific.
That's absolutely awful but have I missed a post of Barca's or something? I don't see anything in what he's said as equating to be an apologist for these racist attacks
I agree that voting Leave was stupid which is why I voted remain! I was tempted to Leave at the start but realised that it just isn't worth it. I foresaw the economic mess but not the social mess I have to admit. I am not trying to play down any racist incidents I find them very depressing and want the police and courts to take responsibility for sorting it out. I believe that it will be brought under control and that this is the worst of it.
The current official forecast for the UK is a mild recession by the start of next year. Krugman even predicts no recession.
Do you really think that millions will lose their jobs?
The pound and stocks markets are rallying today.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...b04125c92d0584#block-577271f8e4b04125c92d0584
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Yes, but unless those 600+ experts are somehow flawed as a (pretty substantial) sample group, that point seems moot enough.
It's true that most experts didn't bother to complete the survey, and thus technically true that most experts didn't predict any impact, either way – but again, it's moot enough when almost 90% of those who did complete the survey were negative in their predictions.
For the latter not to be (hugely) significant, the sample group must – again – be flawed somehow, consisting of biased (Remain friendly, say) people, but there's no indication of that.
I don't see why brexit-positive experts would systematically reject to comment. On the contrary, they would be fighting to make their opinion known, climbing over each other like a barrel full of monkeys.
That's my guess at least.
That's my guess at least.
Maybe I should have marked that the post was being sarcastic, although I did think that was obvious.
Really sorry to hear that @Wengerscoat. All I can say is, the silent majority are not like this.
If there is any good news, the good news is that the FPTP system keeps the BNP like parties and the UKIP like parties out of government. And without European elections, they will slowly disappear. I don't think UKIP will ever form a government here, thank god.
You are absolutely right , the leavers had a huge boost from the racist bigots. Whether thats a 10% boost from the vocal racists plus a 20% boost from the silent racists... I dont know.
Even Le Pen's National Front, they've taken just 2 seats in the French National Assembly, and the same in the senate. I dont know if that will remain the case, but hopefully they won't get to be in government.
The question isn't for me, but I would not agree with that, no, as it seems a bit pedantic. If you say "most experts" there's the obvious assumption you mean "most experts that gave an opinion on the matter".
They probably sent an e-mail or phone survey to loads of them, and as usual in these things many people don't bother to look at it as they might be busy with something else, or just not care enough at a given moment. I'm sent polls and opinion surveys on my work e-mail all the time and only respond to a fraction of these. If you knew they outright refused to give an opinion, then perhaps I'd be more inclined to agree with the bold assessment, but without knowing the methodologies you don't know if they didn't want to predict something or if the questions just went under the radar.
Maybe it is. It was in response to someone asking for some sort of positivity. I myself have no idea what's going to happen but then nobody does do they because this is new territory. I will however be countering the large scale leaning towards doom and gloom on this remain favouring forum as I think it will bring some balance whilst also calling out those who feel superior and more important to this society than others.
I can understand him. I have been told to go back home before. Not since he referendum though.
How are things in the West Midlands? Lived there longer than anywhere else and my memories of it are of a rather fractured place that could really struggle to maintain unity in times like this.
You can't say that nobody does just because you or I don't. The reality is that the majority of experts do actually have a very good indication of what's going to happen - it's their job. Their entire extensive education and their subsequent career experience revolves around knowing what happens to the economy when shit like this goes down. An economist who doesn't have a fair idea of what's about to happen is an absolutely terrible economist.
I'm sorry to hear of the abuse that you have experienced but at no stage have I made any apologies for racists and would like a link to where I have done @Wengerscoat or anyone else who would like to oblige. And I seriously object to the suggestion that I have actually. In summary that accusation is bollocks. My posts have been entirely in support of the right of people to vote as they see fit in a democratic referendum and nothing less and have objected to the wholesale accusation of the remain campaign that leavers are simply a bunch of racists. That makes me a racist apologist does it?
But yes this is what you get for defending the result of this referendum. A bigoted and blinkered response and no less so because the poster has been the victim of racial abuse. The intolerance of it is astounding.
Let me state categorically (not that I should need to) that I think race crime needs dealing with and it's good to see that the authorities have been asked to come down particularly hard on any incidents that are possibly linked to brexit.
Where are you getting these figures from? Are you suggesting that one third of the leave vote were racists?
There have been many reports of abuse towards British Asians. I have seen some leaflets urging tolerance though. But I live in the city centre and things are going on as normal. Everyone minding their own business.
True enough but the point is that only about 1 in 6 responded on what is a very important subject matter. This seems to be the most extensive poll of "experts" that was conducted (unless someone can point me in the direction of a larger poll) and the point being made by the poster was that many more experts haven't made their views public. Now you could be right that they received this survey by e-mail and that some didn't open it/couldn't be arsed to respond, etc. I can relate to that myself - the amount of questionnaires/surveys I receive from MCFC relating to all manner of topics gets a bit tedious at times and while some are worth responding to I can't always be bothered answering as sometimes they're so unimportant that I find myself asking why they even took the time to knock it up and send it out. This, however, is an utterly vital topic and one that is right up the street of these experts so I doubt all of the 83% that didn't respond just couldn't be bothered and I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the reason why a fair chunk didn't respond is because they took a pretty much neutral stance...IMHO of course.
Didn't a load of experts recommend that we join the Euro as well? Genuine question. I can't remember. I know Tony Blair was well up for it.
This cracked me up though when I was looking for the 2nd referendum petition.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/126848
Wow this post... a simple denial would have sufficed.
Wouldn't that mean insurrection? Or you reckon they'll drag their feet sufficiently for public mood to shift a bit?
I thought he made it clear in the post that he was guessing? They aren't dissimilar numbers to what I'd guess.
This is the actual poll
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/economists-views-on-brexit-2016-charts.pdf
So 43% predicted in the range of 'some negative impact' to 'substantial positive impact' in the short to medium term and 66% in that range for the long term. So it isn't the absolute sky caving in prediction results some would have you believe.
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/economists-views-on-brexit-2016-charts.pdf
So 43% predicted in the range of 'some negative impact' to 'substantial positive impact' in the short to medium term and 66% in that range for the long term. So it isn't the absolute sky caving in prediction results some would have you believe.
Boris says the people have spoken. But all the key claims that Leave used to persuade them have been removed from its website. Breathtaking.
These people cannot be allowed to get away with this.
And that will only worsen after the absolutely disgusting and completely embarrassing way Nigel Farage just spoke to them all when addressing the Parliament earlier today.
That is a creative use of statistics!
You could just as easily say that over the next 5 years, 88% predicted a negative impact on the economy, with 72% predicting a negative impact on the economy over a 10-20 year period.
It's not like we can use Google cache and see the original content...
EU staff are declining jobs offered in the NHS after brexit vote.
Siemens freezes new UK wind power investment following Brexit vote
Really? You're trying to take something positive from that??
Well so far everything that the remainers said would happen has happened (and to think we're not even out yet, this is just the effects of market confidence so far). They have every right to feel superior to the cretins who voted out, particularly given the subsequent analysis of the vote shows that overwhelmingly it was a vote between the educated and the uneducated, the made-its and the left-behinds.
Which way did you vote btw?
That is a simple denial. I also thought it worth remarking on the poster's own bigotry unless of course one cannot be a bigot if one has been a victim of bigotry.
The use of the word "chav" (pretty popular right now) was noted too.
VIDEO: Nigel Farage winds up European Parliament
I just want to cry. What an absolute thundercnut that man is. Now he is embarrassing us even more and trolling the people we want and will need help from and to work with. I despise the smug faced cnut. I think I'm going to go and have another nap, this is just so depressing.
The leavers also told us short term things would be difficult.
And then there's your language which tells us all we need to know about you and how you feel about yourself.
Want to know how I voted? Go take a look Mr Educated
Sorry, couldn't help it.
(Before you ask, this was made back in 2002 in relation to Stephen Byers).
I think there will be a renegotiation and new terms offered.
I accept that there will be some negative impact on the economy, I just reject the end of the world predictions that are common on here.
Nearly half don't predict economic meltdown in the medium to short term and more than half don't predict it in the long term.
I can take something positive from that.
I don't think that there will be economic meltdown. My concern is that without access to the single market, people will be significantly worse off compared to what they are now. However, if there is a renegotiation and new terms offered, I am also worried that would have a huge negative impact on a large number of voters, for whom out meant out.