Why would they want that? They voted against that.
Because it fits their narrative. If they can make out the world is coming to an end then they might be able to get another referendum.
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Because it fits their narrative. If they can make out the world is coming to an end then they might be able to get another referendum.
More than half of Tory MPs were in favour of remaining I believe. And about 95% of Labour MPs, all SNP MPs, Lib Dems. If it was a purely parliamentary decision there'd be no chance of it going through, but unfortunately...
I totally disagree. Even hate speech is even a crime in this country, people get arrested for posting things on Facebook. Do you really think that this going to be allowed to continue unchecked? These idiots might be emboldened by the result but they will be put back in their box before long.
This is the eye of the storm, to start forecasting long term economic and social problems based on the chaos of this seismic shock is stupid.
Ok, making out something is happening, is different to hoping something is happening. Which is what you said I believe.
Regardless, I disagree either way. Maybe you are projecting?
On the contrary, to forecast anything other than long term economic problems at this stage is stupid.
Doesn't that term describe a period of quiet during turmoil? Not sure you are using it right...
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I've been always a big fan of british culture, values and felt more identified with the UK rather than the EU. Although i respect the will of the people, i was very disappointed with the vote. It doesn't affect me, although for some time i thought about moving to the UK (Wales) after recieving a very good job offer. I rejected because i can't stay away from my family, from our weather, from the surf, basically the south european lifestyle. I know there are always some bad apples (we have them in Portugal as well even with all the multiculturalism and inclusion) but i´m extremely sad to hear some of my friends (high qualified and contributing to UK economy) stories about them getting abuse on daily basis. It's depressing and i hope there is a strong reaction from the british people to counter this. Still love the UK and what it stands for but can't help feeling extremely disappointed.
That isn't correct. If you actually listen to most 'experts' they are not predicting anything because they do not know.
Although this 'expert' isn't even predicting the economic disaster for Britain that all the bitter remainers seem to take joy in doing.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/brexit-the-morning-after/
Yes, you are correct. But you know know what I mean from context I'm sure.
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Some more made up racism for you today, probably by a millennial
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...halal-butchers-11535781#ICID=sharebar_twitter
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...halal-butchers-11535781#ICID=sharebar_twitter
What do you class as 'most' experts? Do you have a signed statement from more than 150 economists including 12 Nobel laureates that says everything's going to be okay? Because we have one that says it isn't, predicting actually quite a few things. Most of the experts have since day one been on the side of remain.
I'm not sure that's a good thing though, them not knowing is worrying.
Newbie Wengerscoat gives his 2p
Newbie @Wengerscoat has just asked me to post this
Got to say from my own personal perspective there not a whole lot to disagree with. As an ethnic minority myself I've been treated more like a Brit in Europe and Canada as well and his point about Britain heading down the same path as France is an interesting one.
Got to say from my own personal perspective there not a whole lot to disagree with. As an ethnic minority myself I've been treated more like a Brit in Europe and Canada as well and his point about Britain heading down the same path as France is an interesting one.
Everything isn't going to be 'OK'. Things will change for the worse for a time at least. Anyone that thought Brexit wouldn't cause chaos is quite silly IMO. I don't think it will be anywhere near as bad as reading this thread or hysterical pro remain social media would have you believe, however.
The post from @Wengerscoat saddens me to such a huge extent that I cannot think of what to say.
It was the wrong term. Unless you think things have been, and will be getting much much worse...
In that very link you posted he's talking about the fact that things are going to be bad. The only positive spin he's putting on it is to say it's not quite as bad as he'd expected it to be (yet).
I'd also point out that him using the € as a measuring stick against the fall in the £ is misleading, seeing as the € fell itself - the $ is a much better yardstick and we're at a 30 year low.
Jobs in London financial sectors are going to get battered, taxes will increase, government spending will be cut (again), inflation will rise etc etc.
True, but if you are hoping to see more racially motivated attacks in order to prove your point, you are going to leap on the slightest suggestion of anything remotely resembling a racist backlash - which is what I think is happening now.
Just as an aside (I know this is not representative) but I was listening to Radio 4 on my way to work this morning and an asian presenter went to a typical working class area where there had been an influx of migrants over the last 20 years or so. In order to get the views of locals who voted "leave" she spoke to one chap who was quite clearly drunk and poorly educated. Clearly she thought he was going to give her some decent material to act appalled about. He accidentally let slip the "P word" (in reference to people from Pakistan) she then went on for about 2 minutes about how shocked she was. I'm not sure what I'm getting at here, it was just something that riled me - the subtle implication once again that all those who voted for us to leave are neanderthals. There's never any talk of the fact that it's perfectly legitimate to care about Parliamentary sovereignty, that people like Tony Benn would have been making that argument to vote "leave".
I don't think I do.
With what?
The triggering event in this case is Brexit – an outcome these people wanted and in many cases undoubtedly actively pursued (by voting Leave). That makes the reactions different than those we normally see after large-scale disastrous events, such as terrorist attacks. These people aren't (re)acting from fear, they are acting on a newfound sense of having "won" something.
You disagree with this?
It's a good post and I can relate to most of it tbh...
And I am going to listen to your economic assessment over Paul Krugman's?
I know things are going to get worse, no one would deny that. Is Britain going to become a fascist state and that our children have no future? Sorry but I don't believe that.
fecking hell that's depressing.
That's fair enough, I don't doubt that you believe this but I'm specifically referring to you saying that most experts aren't predicting anything. Do you have a source for most experts?
I agree that is definitely a short term phenomenon but I have faith that the British justice system will ensure that they soon learn that they are wrong in thinking they have 'won' that.
Listen mate, maybe you should be more pissed off at the neanderthals that are making you look bad... Just a thought. Go and have a word with them...
Have you even been reading what's been said here?
Me: "there will be long term economic problems"
You: "no there won't, here's an article where an economist actually thought it would be worse but still says things will be bad"
Me: "he agrees that it's going to be bad"
You: "well I'm not going to listen to you over him"
Oh and you knocked that fascism strawman out cold, well done.
All the reports about racism are heartbreaking, happened to me when I was younger and you have no idea how awful it is until you experience it. A few friends of mine are thinking of leaving England now, and they're white from Europe. Such a shitty situation on so many levels.
I never thought England was like this. It's almost acceptable in some places now
I never thought England was like this. It's almost acceptable in some places now
I listen to Radio 4 a lot. The economic experts they use that I have heard have all been non committal on the severity of the fallout.
Have you even been reading what's been said here?
Me: "there will be long term economic problems"
You: "no there won't, here's an article where an economist actually thought it would be worse but still says things will be bad"
Me: "he agrees that it's going to be bad"
You: "well I'm not going to listen to you over him"
Oh and you knocked that fascism strawman out cold, well done.
There is short term, medium term and long term. I highly doubt that this will be anywhere near as bad as the banking crisis and that was only medium term.
'long term' to me is 10+ years.
The point is, I have nothing to do with that element and neither does anyone else I know who voted leave. It's a desperate attempt to tarnish the names of leave voters and force another referendum.
I can completely understand why leavers, and those sympathetic to leave would feel annoyed and uncomfortable by the constant, and often unfair accusations of racism. Of course we don't have 17 million racist people in this country, that would be mental. However the idea that a huge number of racists weren't emboldened by a leave vote, or that racism didn't play its part in the campaign and the result is massively dissingenuous, and the only recourse is for leavers themselves to stand up against this, to own the small, but nasty consequences of their vote and to stamp it out as not in their name. Remainers can't do it, can they? They'll only be told they're sore losers throwing their toys out of the pram, again, or that - rather sickeningly - they're exaggerating it out of spite.
Which, as an implication, is frankly an horrendous and selfish abdication of responsibility, and yet another two-fingers in the eye of social cohesion, all in the name of "how dare you make me feel bad"
Which, as an implication, is frankly an horrendous and selfish abdication of responsibility, and yet another two-fingers in the eye of social cohesion, all in the name of "how dare you make me feel bad"
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You voted along with a lot of racists, doesn't make you one but doesn't change the fact does it? You can get wound up when people point that out but it's kind of pointless to direct your anger at the people bringing it up.
Someone articulated it perfectly earlier in the thread - 52% of this country are obviously not all racist, but there are a fair number of racists amongst them who now feel that 52% of the country agree with them.
I would think some of the racist who voted leave think 52% of this country share the same mindset as them, hence all the public racist incidents.
Anyway. I don't even think Article 50 will be enacted.
Maybe the Queen should exercise her Royal Prerogative and prevent the UK from leaving the EU. What's the point of her otherwise?
The ethnic minority's exaggerating again...
Sad but he's spot on. Sorry you're going through that @Wengerscoat
Already today we've heard people make excuses for these attacks, calling them exaggerated and what not. Theres going to be a lot more racial hate crime following this referendum but as long as petrol bombs are not being thrown through their front door or its not their car being vandalised, plenty will turn a blind eye to it or worse, play the incidents down as seen in this thread.
She's really just sorta there. Kinda pointless